24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 15,593
johnw Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 15,593
i was idly spending time at a large hardware store yesterday afternoon while my wife was shopping... the gun racks were a bit on the bare side so i wound up on the tools/shop side of the store...
i found some kerosene heaters which the boxes proclaimed to be safe for indoor use... one was a 10,000 BTU unit, the other was 23,000 BTUs...

i've always figured that any type of combustion heat source needed a chimney or vent to be safe...
the picture on one box was of a family in a large den type room with a glowing kerosene heater near the middle of the room... the unit was depicted as freestanding with no chimney or observable venting...

Are these safe used in this manor???


"Chances Will Be Taken"


GB1

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,268
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,268
I don't know about inside a house but my dad has had one in his office for over 10 years, maybe more. It really gets it warm in a hurry.


Otto is my co-pilot.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,082
S
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
S
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,082
Long long ago, like way back in the eighties an early nineties, this was a very popular and economical way to heat rooms in a home. K-1 kerosene was sold at convenience stores and gas stations everywhere. I heated a cheap basement apartment with a Kerosun heater for a couple of years this way. The biggest drawback is that when you first start the heater or the heater runs low on fuel, you get a burned kerosene smell in the home. Back then the store down the street had a pump dedicated to K-1 and it cost less than gasoline. Since moving to Wyoming, I've not seen a K-1 pump anywhere and it costs about $5.00 a gallon at the hardware store.


Stupidity is expensive
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,168
N
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
N
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,168
Back some 30 years ago the knock on these units was that if you tripped over it or knocked one over they would start a kerosene fire.

I think someone told me that the newer units aren't supposed to leak kerosene if tipped over, but that could be my imagination.

I think anybody that uses any combustion device inside would be smart to have a CO detector (or two) We heat with Coal and have two, one down stairs near the Boiler and the other upstairs, cheap piece of mind.


The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. Under this Republic the rewards of industry belong to those who earn them. Coolidge
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,821
K
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
K
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,821
I wouldn't use one even if the thing came with a carbon monoxide control that shut it off if levels got too high. Too many what if's

Last edited by kend; 12/06/09.

�Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." -- Milton Friedman
IC B2

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,856
A
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
A
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 15,856
Back in the mid 70's when I was stationed in the U.K. just about everyone heated their house with a parifin heater (same/same). Thought it was kinda odd till we returned to the U.S. durring the gas shortage and they became popular here. The new models are safe if they tip over, wouldn't fill one while it was still running... shocked

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 263
B
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
B
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 263
Thay are safe I used one all winter two years back my daughter is using it now.




Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 54,284
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 54,284
I don't think I'd be comfortable just taking the "box's" word for it. If you buy one, get a carbon monoxide detector with a readout on it. Sometimes there may be an acceptable level for the manufacturer or the government inspectors they paid, that might not be acceptable to you for your family. IOW, don't rely on the instructions and don't rely on a carbon monoxide detector that just buzzes. I've got both types of detectors and had an unvented propane heater that somebody else put in a house we bought. The detector probably saved our lives.

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,424
B
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
B
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,424
I use one in my garage, but I wouldn't use one in my house, or anywhere else that I might sleep.


If you love someone set them free
If they come back no one else liked them
Set them free again
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 15,593
johnw Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 15,593
Quote
I think anybody that uses any combustion device inside would be smart to have a CO detector (or two)


Quote
I don't think I'd be comfortable just taking the "box's" word for it. If you buy one, get a carbon monoxide detector with a readout on it. Sometimes there may be an acceptable level for the manufacturer or the government inspectors they paid, that might not be acceptable to you for your family
.

yepper,

sounds like good advice, to me...
i'm not figuring to use one for normal heating... i have family in Arkansas that was without grid power for weeks last year...

i've got the hand pump for the well... a kerosene heater and a bit of fuel put back might make a difference in bad circumstances... a battery operated CO detector is already in our bedroom hallway... another one sounds like a good bet if i needed to use auxiliary heat...


"Chances Will Be Taken"


IC B3

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 13,234
T
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
T
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 13,234

I had one years ago when I was single and on a tight budget. Big pain, really, for not a large amount of heat.

Today, there'd have to be a huge price differential between kero and electricity for me to think it's worthwhile.

YMMV.

- Tom

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,811
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,811
I have 2 of them for back up...haven't used them for years. Used to use a small one as an ice house heater. Worked great and we always had an exhaust hole. We're all still here.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." --Robert Duvall.
"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" --John Wayne.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,916
C
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
C
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,916
If you want something for the house, the Mr. Heater Big Buddy and Little Buddy heaters work nice. They run off the 1lb propane canisters and have low oxygen detection that will shut the heaters off. The Big buddy heaters are rated upto 18000 btu. I use a couple of the little buddy heaters in my house when we lose power in the winter. Nice thing also is there is no smell. Pretty important to me to keep the wife from complaining with her sensitive nose.

Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 19,049
M
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
M
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 19,049
Before we put in the woodstove we used one to supplement the propane furnace when the temps got below zero. Worked great, but you have to use some common sense around kerosene.

The 23K unit heated our entire 1700 sq-ft house in temps down to -30s, with a fairly low flame. It's basically 100% efficient.

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,682
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,682
we used propane and wood .both have been used for years you have to be careful with ventilation ,fresh air dectectors allways a good idea..norm grin grin


There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden .
If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 15,593
johnw Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 15,593
thanks, guys...

some good ideas here... starting a new thread- "safest aux. home heating"


"Chances Will Be Taken"


Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 59,134
R
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
R
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 59,134
Originally Posted by kend
I wouldn't use one even if the thing came with a carbon monoxide control that shut it off if levels got too high. Too many what if's
Exactly.. I wouldn't put one in a home, pure and simple...


Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
Pro-Constitution.
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,779
L
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
L
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 8,779
Ever see one malfunction? I'd never use one in my home, even if it was free.

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 273
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 273
I stayed in Tokyo in 1983.
All the houses had empty kerosene jugs out front, like waiting for the milk man.

They do not keep those homes very warm.
The average 1000 sq ft home there was worth $1,000,000 when such a home in Seattle would be worth $50,000.

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,545
JOG Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,545
Originally Posted by johnw
Are these safe used in this manor???


Sure. Follow the directions - use the correct fuel, don't close off the heater in a small room, open the window a 1/2 inch, etc. That said, I would buy a quality unit. Just because I don't know for sure some guy in China wants to kill me doesn't mean there isn't one.


Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.
Robert Frost

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

644 members (160user, 10Glocks, 01Foreman400, 10ring1, 10gaugemag, 1973cb450, 71 invisible), 2,974 guests, and 1,213 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,263
Posts18,467,116
Members73,925
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.116s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8818 MB (Peak: 1.0206 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-25 00:42:14 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS