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#3569212 - 12/14/09 338 win mag vs 325 wsm
luisss Offline
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how dose the 325 wsm in a browning blr with is 6 lbs 12 once compared to a 338 win mag in a 8 lbs 7 once

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#3569271 - 12/14/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: luisss]
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I have a couple very nice 338 Win Mags and a Kimber Montana 325 WSM. My 338's are even heavier than the one that you've mentioned, these days they get left at home and I hunt the Montana instead.

The 325 is a little less gun than a 250gr 338 but there's nothing in the America's I wouldn't hunt with a 200gr TSX at 2950fps......................................DJ
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#3570266 - 12/14/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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I'd say the real issue is what rifle you want. The WSM shines in light weight / shorter barrel rifles, like the BLR you mentioned. Obviously, a .325 WSM in a 6 lb rifle will kick more than most; figure a hunting rifle rather than a range rifle.

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#3570858 - 12/14/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: Syncerus]
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Originally Posted By: Syncerus
I'd say the real issue is what rifle you want. The WSM shines in light weight / shorter barrel rifles, like the BLR you mentioned. Obviously, a .325 WSM in a 6 lb rifle will kick more than most; figure a hunting rifle rather than a range rifle.
..................Agreed!.......Both cartridges will take care of any NA big game. What`s more important is to get the right rifle for you in the action you want, whether in a lever or bolt, by matching the rifle as best as possible to your hunting style.

If you`re going to be doing alot of carrying, up and down from tree stand to tree stand and certainly hunting in steeper terrains, it`s better imo to pack a lighter rifle.

When it comes to picking out rifles, a couple of people I know came to later regret their purchase because they didn`t consider "ALL" of the possibilities. Sometimes emotion can over-rule common sense.
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#3571602 - 12/14/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: bigsqueeze]
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I wouldn't trade my 325WSM for a 338,that's for sure.It likes 200gr. Accubonds

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#3571626 - 12/14/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: crittergetter]
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I really like the .325, but I can't stand the BLR trigger. You didn't mention what the .338 was that you were considering, but I'd lean that way due to my dislike of the BLR. But you didn't mention what you were really comparing. Ballistics? Other characteristics like handling, weight, recoil, weather resistance?
And it doesn't really matter what you are hunting as long as it's in North America, either will be plenty of gun. But how you are hunting might dictate the gun of choice.
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#3571746 - 12/14/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: exbiologist]
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the 338 wuld be in a browning stalker is the blr a good smooth action. i wana compare them in recoil


Edited by luisss (12/14/09)

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#3572423 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: luisss]
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Depends on the load, but they'll be similar
http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp
BLR actions are smooth typically, but it's a pretty long throw and I don't like the triggers.


Edited by exbiologist (12/15/09)
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#3572513 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: exbiologist]
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I have always said that the 325 is a winner. I wish one of the better gun scribes would do an article comparing the 325 to the 30/06 to see how it stacks up.The 325 with 180's should shoot as flat as an 06 with the same weight and hit as hard, and come in some fairly compact/light rifles. Use to be that if you wanted more gun than an 06 you had no choice but to go to a larger,heavier gun or go custom. Now you can go smaller,lighter thanks to the 325 and IMHO still be a step up in performance.
I now recommend the 30/06 or 325 to guys wanting to start out.The 30/06 still has more bullet choices for reloaders and more ammo choices for the non-handloader but if you are a one ammo/one load type hunter than there is no difference really.

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#3573022 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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Originally Posted By: djpaintless
I have a couple very nice 338 Win Mags and a Kimber Montana 325 WSM. My 338's are even heavier than the one that you've mentioned, these days they get left at home and I hunt the Montana instead.

The 325 is a little less gun than a 250gr 338 but there's nothing in the America's I wouldn't hunt with a 200gr TSX at 2950fps......................................DJ


I love the .338, but you are right about the factory riles chambered for it. Way too heavy.

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#3573042 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: ExpatFromOK]
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It would be very hard for me to say no to another 338 WM if I could find them in lighter rifles.
As it is, I find myself using my 325 Montana for such work as a 338 would otherwise suit.
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#3573455 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: 257STEW]
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Originally Posted By: 257STEW
I have always said that the 325 is a winner. I wish one of the better gun scribes would do an article comparing the 325 to the 30/06 to see how it stacks up.The 325 with 180's should shoot as flat as an 06 with the same weight and hit as hard, and come in some fairly compact/light rifles. Use to be that if you wanted more gun than an 06 you had no choice but to go to a larger,heavier gun or go custom. Now you can go smaller,lighter thanks to the 325 and IMHO still be a step up in performance.
I now recommend the 30/06 or 325 to guys wanting to start out.The 30/06 still has more bullet choices for reloaders and more ammo choices for the non-handloader but if you are a one ammo/one load type hunter than there is no difference really.


If you stay within normal pressures the 325 is substantially more powerful than the 30-06, about 300fps faster with a 200gr bullet than the loads listed listed in the Lyman 48th manual. They may be closer in others but there's still a signifigant difference.....................DJ
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#3573513 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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It'd be kind of interesting to load em both to the same pressure (325 and the 200 and a 06 with a 200) and then do some penetration tests and see how they faired.

Obviously using the same kind of 200 in each. Thinking I'd still be for betting that the 06 would stay with and or beat it when it comes to penetration. But, I could be wrong...been so many times b4.

Be a fun test at any rate.

Dober
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#3574096 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]
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That SD on the .308" 200gr is pretty hard to beat.
I would sure think that would give it a penetration advantage over the 8mm??
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#3574158 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: 340boy]
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A 200gr TSX from either is probably going to in and out most any big game animal in the America's anyway I don't know that penetration depth is that big of a consideration.

Also remember that often the lower velocity round penetrates more because it doesn't have as much initial frontal expansion. The 30-06 at 300fps slower might penetrate further but not hit as hard due to a smaller frontal expansion...................................dj
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#3574167 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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Good points,dj.
I shoot the 200gr NP out of mine( 325 Montana) at 2900fps.
I am sur it will work well for anything on the North American continent.
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#3574207 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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We all know the difference between on game performance of the 300 WSM and 325 WSM is purely gun loony madness!

Thats why I have a 338WM lol (actually same applies here!)
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#3574287 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: Ruger280]
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The 8mm rem mag is the real winner,flatter shooting than both and just a plain cool round.
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#3574806 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: highridge1]
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Originally Posted By: highridge1
The 8mm rem mag is the real winner,flatter shooting than both and just a plain cool round.


I agree, but the Kimber Montana 325 is so sweet to carry that mine leaves the safe for the mountainside much more often than anything else I own in that power class.
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#3575853 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: lodgepole]
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Kimber Montana's kinda piss me off. My 325 is such a good rifle there's been too many times when I've thought about carrying some other very nice rifles I have and end up not hunting them because the Kimber is just a better hunting tool. It's sorta obsoleted too many rifles. When I hunt with other rifles I keep thinking how nice it would be to have a Montana in that caliber. It's kinda pissing me off they they are so good and for me just one rifle is boring.................................DJ
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#3575903 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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I like my Tikka T-3 Lite SS in 338. It is under 7.5 lbs with scope and sling. Shoots great and carries better and I still have all the power of the 338 mag.

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#3575936 - 12/15/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: 257STEW]
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Originally Posted By: 257STEW
I have always said that the 325 is a winner. I wish one of the better gun scribes would do an article comparing the 325 to the 30/06 to see how it stacks up.The 325 with 180's should shoot as flat as an 06 with the same weight and hit as hard, and come in some fairly compact/light rifles. Use to be that if you wanted more gun than an 06 you had no choice but to go to a larger,heavier gun or go custom. Now you can go smaller,lighter thanks to the 325 and IMHO still be a step up in performance.
I now recommend the 30/06 or 325 to guys wanting to start out.The 30/06 still has more bullet choices for reloaders and more ammo choices for the non-handloader but if you are a one ammo/one load type hunter than there is no difference really.


Unnless you can make an 06' go about 3100 fps with 180's its nowhere near a 325.

Both are great rounds though.

Bill

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#3576225 - 12/16/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
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Originally Posted By: djpaintless
Kimber Montana's kinda piss me off. My 325 is such a good rifle there's been too many times when I've thought about carrying some other very nice rifles I have and end up not hunting them because the Kimber is just a better hunting tool. It's sorta obsoleted too many rifles. When I hunt with other rifles I keep thinking how nice it would be to have a Montana in that caliber. It's kinda pissing me off they they are so good and for me just one rifle is boring.................................DJ


Mine makes me mad as hell too! I have a new Remington 700 SS 257Wby with a McMillan Edge stock was thinking about hunting this year "BUT" when it was time for the hunt the 325 Montana went and the 257Roy stayed in the safe! The 325wsm gave me another one shot kill man this rife is making me mad....
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#3578714 - 12/16/09 Re: 338 win mag vs 325 wsm [Re: djpaintless]
Jeff_O Offline
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Originally Posted By: djpaintless
Kimber Montana's kinda piss me off. My 325 is such a good rifle there's been too many times when I've thought about carrying some other very nice rifles I have and end up not hunting them because the Kimber is just a better hunting tool. It's sorta obsoleted too many rifles. When I hunt with other rifles I keep thinking how nice it would be to have a Montana in that caliber. It's kinda pissing me off they they are so good and for me just one rifle is boring.................................DJ


When I read this, I thought I'd posted it! Plus one.

Exbiologist: agreed on the BLR trigger. It sucks. However, Neil Jones can cure it! Mine now breaks acceptably clean at 3 lbs...

To the original poster. I have a .325 BLR, as well as a bolt .338. My .338 is a M700 XCR with a 3.5-10 Conquest in Talley LW's on it; I don't know the weight but that should get you close if you want to look up the specs. I also have a .325 Montana.

As far as recoil, perhaps the simplest way to put it would be that if you can "handle" a .338, then you can handle a lighter .325. I hate putting in those terms because it makes it sound like a macho thing, and it ain't, it's more just how a person is wired but whatever.... Anyway the .325's recoil is a bit faster and sharper, but there's a bit more of it with a .338...

I like my BLR (once the trigger was fixed) but by the time you factor in a trigger job plus shipping, you are getting into Kimber Montana money, and frankly I'd advise getting a Montana over a BLR unless you really have use for the fast-repeater aspect of the BLR- like as a timber elk rifle, or for hogs...

As to killing power, the .338 has a great record of that. My pard in elk camp is using an A-bolt in .338 and has flattened a few elk with it PRONTO (course the next one might run a half mile <grin>). I killed two elk with a .325 and 200-gn Accubonds and was very impressed with how it performed. .325 is, in my non-expert opinion, a great elk cartridge.

If I can answer any specific questions about a .325 BLR vs. a .338, let me know, seeing how I have both! smile

In the meantime, another way to put it, is that in terms of recoil, I'd take a shot from any position with one, that I'd take with the other, and just treat either with the respect we show any reasonably hard kicker. Get your body right, pay attention to detail. But .325 from a BLR ain't brutal, not even close.
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