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It appears that you are saying that power makes up for poor shooting, a theory that I do not subcribe to. In a charge the only sure stop is a Central Nervous System hit, so I don't see much difference in the ability of either to do that. Nothing is absolute jwp, but I have to agree to a point. Point being, I recently saw a video of a gent shooting a 700 NE at an elephant. He missed the brain, the elephant buckled a bit but spun around and took off. Two more rounds finished him. I've also seen footage of elephants shot with 458s of different flavors where the brain is missed and again the shots seem to buckle them enough to slow them down and make follow ups easier. Not the case with the smaller bores. Then again I've seen perfectly brained elies fold up like a democrap on truth serum with a 375. There's a lesson in there somewhere but I do think when it comes to elephants, caliber (like bras) the bigger the better.  jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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JPK reported from his last Safari that His 458 doubled and hit the Elephant in the head but high, his PH fired for a side brain shot with his 470 Nitro the bull turned and was never recovered. All of this was captured on video. now that's 2 458 rounds and one 500 grain 470 in the head all missed the brain and no Elephant. Accuracy and shot placement is the trump card IMHO
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"I do think that when it comes to elephant, calibers like bras the bigger the better"
Jorge I think I just [bleep] myself laughing...After my hunting party was charged by a very agitated cow elephant I purchased my 505 GIBBS!
In my limited experience the 416 Rigby is a great dangerous game caliber with a excellent balance of power/recoil/handling. I have taken 3 buffalo with my Ruger chambered in this caliber. One of my best friends sucessfully took an 80# tusker with the 416 Rigby loaded with woodleigh solids and was well satisfied with its performance.
The number of active professional hunters using this caliber( and this rifle) as their stopping rifle speaks volumes.
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Glad you like it Doc Wow, a 505, I'm impressed! There is a guy over on AR who' killed a BUNCH of elephant and I believe his expression is "once you are amongst them there is no such thing as enough gun" and I believe him! jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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If you go for a heart/lung shot, will the Rigby penetrate deep enough? I saw a spitting match on AR forums about different calibers. There was a two photos that impressesd me about the .416 Rigby, (and made me confident in mine). The first photo was the rear-end of a dead elephant with a bullet hole right next to the tail. The next was a photo of the solid bullet being cut out of the tusk. The guy said it had penetrated 16' of elephant. Right off hand, I'd say that's enough penetration.... I was going to mention that same exchange. If I can correctly recall, I believe the photo was posted by Peter V who lives in SA/Moz, has worked as a PH and is involved with the South African Big Bore Assn. The solid was buried in the base of the tusk! 405wcf
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Harry Shelby wrote that when he bought his 416 Rigby the purchase was as a stop gap until he could get another 470 Nitro, but after useing the 416 he never felt the need to replace it.
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