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CoyoteHunter and MM are spot on IMO...there are times when more magnification is a very good thing,especially for deer-sized stuff in open country,and I use a variable topping at 9-10 myself occaisionally...and it's helpful as my eyes get a bit older....but there are very few hunts on which I would not be pretty comfy with a regular old fixed 4X...

I shoot 600 yards frequently with a 6X...

But like everyone says,all eye balls are different! wink




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Scope magnification is a personal decision and it really depends on you and how you shoot. I find that I use 5-8x in the field, depending on range. For whatever reason, I find it significantly harder to use 10x than 8x on live game. The point about a large scope destroying the balance of a light rifle is well made; I'm not sure that I'd put a large scope on a rifle without a bipod.

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I may get smoked for this but I think a scope with a high end power will sometimes tempt a hunter into trying a shot that he shouldn't.
I don't carry a range finder but I know how to use the plex in my scope to determine if the animal is within my rather modest limits.


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You won't be smoked by me stillbeeman but I will say that I find nothing wrong with the use of a high end power scope. I use a 4-14 a lot, and I practice with it a lot as well. I like to be able to pick the spot I am gonna hit at long range instead of hitting the animal in the vitals at long range. 4 me it works best to have some power to crank up to.

Practice and discipline is the key to this, not many x's one's scope has. Practice tells you when you can and can't make a first shot one round kill and discipline tells you when you should or shouldn't shoot.

Many times I've taken shots in the 400-600+ zone and I knew wihtout any doubt that when I dropped the hammer that things were gonna be one and done.

I've also passed on shots of sub 100 or sub 200 cause I didn't know I could do it right. Practice and discipline once again taught me when to shoot and when not to.

As far as you not carrying a range finder I find that a bit odd but it's your choice. I feel it's a poor choice if the country you hunt affords you opportunities to shoot past 300 yds but the choice is yours.

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Tikka is a great rifle and if you do your part no reason why you can drop deer or sheep out to 700 yds with a 7mm. Scope wise I am partial to the Big Sky by Sightron in 4-16x42 great glass.


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Mark, obviously you missed the word "modest" in my post. smile I've only shot one head of BG beyond 300 yards and it was an antelope that I ranged, using the plex of my scope, at 400 yards. Actual distance was 384 yards. To me, the stalk is the thrill of the hunt.


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I used to hunt in Ozona Texas in the late 70's when the Redfield Accutrac scopes first came out. I had a stand on a hill. There was a windmill-water trough down hill 575 yards. The A dial on that scope fits a 7 mag with a 140 grain bullet perfectly. It was no problem to hit deer at that water trough when the wind wasnt blowing. If you only had one deer rifle the 7 rem mag would be my choice. A 300 win mag would be my second. Just my opinion.

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A good friend of mine shot a beautiful ram in Alaska with a Hill Country rifle in 7 Mag and 160 Partitions at 600 yards. That should answer your query. smile


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The only thing better than a 7 mag is 3 or 4 of them. Only have 3 right now.

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Nothing wrong with the 7 rem mag, but a 06 or 308 will get you to 500 yards with ease and with less recoil....just a thought. A 280 or even a 7mm08 if your set on .284

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I saw the old thread being brought back out and said, "damn it's got to be hanco again"..... To the OP, the question in the title is really rhetorical. I get it... wink


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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If I could only pick one cartridge for all my western hunting,this would probably be the one.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by BobinNH
If I could only pick one cartridge for all my western hunting,this would probably be the one.


Hard to deny the fact that the 7mm rem mag is one of the best long range cartridges ever designed...


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

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Don't need one myself, but it's a good one for those that want just a leetle more oomph. It's got a good reputation for accuracy, doesn't kick all that much, and with all the rifles in existence, ammo and brass should never be a problem. It doesn't get much airplay these days, but remains a World standard round.

My late brother had a Brown Precision rifle in 7 Rmag built on a Mark X, and it was a dandy.


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I've had an 06 for game hunting most of my life, but a 7mm RM can do things as well as the old 06 for many game. I think I'd take an 06 with heavy bullets for big game though.

I have three 7mm RM's and I like them.


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Your ability may be a more important factor in long range ....an accurate 7 mag .will do the job..

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Originally Posted by desertcj
Winging bullets at Coyotes is a lot different than being able to make a clean shot on a big game animal. If 9x works for you at 1000yds, then that's great. I would still recommend more scope....just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth...


I've made a habit of smacking deer sized game out past 500yds without anymore than 8x. I've also found no issue messing up a 10" gong at 550yds with a straight 4x easy as eating pie.

I've used a 14x to make sub MOA groups at 900m. That's all clean on game accuracy.

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This thread wasn't dead, it was just sleeping for 6-1/2 years.

I had a Burris 4.5-14x on my 7mm RM for a few years but have gone back to a Burris 3-9x. Both have Ballistic Plex reticles, as do most of the scopes I currently use.

The OP isn't clear what he meant by "longer range". My limit with my 7mm RM is 600 yards because that is the limit of my practice.


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Hunters develop loyal attachments to cartridges based upon subjective criteria.

The .300 Win Mag is an excellent cartridge. But you'll have to come up with new material because no one's buying that it'll kill deader than a 7MM Rem Mag. In fact, I'd go with 175 grain .284 caliber bullets as winning penetration contests.

Whoever wrote that the 7MM Rem Mag is the biggest gun most shooters can shoot from benches without flinching was on target. I've seen well put-up dudes flinch like old women when firing 180 grain .300 Win Mag bullets. And they ain't gonna kill any deader than 160 7MM Rem Mag bullets.

Go with a 7MM Rem Mag.

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I forgot: the 7MM Rem Mag will kill big game a whole lot farther than 99.9% of hunter can shoot.

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