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I have a a 270 loaded with 130g Hornady's, 58.0g of R#22 with a WLR primer that shoots 1/2" at 200 yards(3 shot groups).

I zero at 200 yards. On my Leupold 3.5-10, where the thick part of the reticle goes to thin, looks like a pointer which the tip of the pointer is dead nuts at 300. I put the tip of the pointer just over the top of a deer's back for a 400 yard shot.

Deer at 300 have no prayer if I place my shot correctly, dang sorry ruger is a death ray...

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I have learned the hard way that a couple of high misses, and one lucky spine shot, show that the 3 inch high school doesnt work for me. I just can't remember to aim low at the closer shots. On the other hand, since rangefinders came out, you can take your time and calculate whatever drop you need if you're out past 300 yards. So, to sum up, carry your gun with the scope set at 2 1/2 or 3 power, and zeroed either at 200 or about 1 to 1 1/2 inches high at 100, and aim dead on. If the shot is past 300, take a deep breath, roll your scope up to 8 or 9 power, hit the rangefinder to confirm distance, calculate the drop based on your cartridge, and lie down or hold against a tree. If you don't have time to do all that, don't take the shot.

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Originally Posted by Limapapa
I have learned the hard way that a couple of high misses, and one lucky spine shot, show that the 3 inch high school doesnt work for me. I just can't remember to aim low at the closer shots. On the other hand, since rangefinders came out, you can take your time and calculate whatever drop you need if you're out past 300 yards. So, to sum up, carry your gun with the scope set at 2 1/2 or 3 power, and zeroed either at 200 or about 1 to 1 1/2 inches high at 100, and aim dead on. If the shot is past 300, take a deep breath, roll your scope up to 8 or 9 power, hit the rangefinder to confirm distance, calculate the drop based on your cartridge, and lie down or hold against a tree. If you don't have time to do all that, don't take the shot.


Yep, if you are unable to remember, it won't work. Of course its all mindset, if you can manage to remember to use a rangefinder and click etc.... then you COULD remember if you really wanted to. I have a buddy I got his wife to order him a new scope with mil dots in it... Those mess with his head.. to the point one day I'll buy a scope without and swap him.



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Zero every thing for 200m or 220yds. The gong at the range is at 200m and this gives a dead on hold for offhand practice. At 100m most loads are between 2.5 and 3" high off the bullseye.

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'06 zeroed at 200yd. I only use it on pronghorn.

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A range finder and a 6X Leupold with dots gets it done for me out to 400yds or so, much past that and I need to think things over.

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I use a Burris 3X-10X-40mm Signature Select with Ballistic Plex reticle on my 30-06. It is zeroed at 100 yards with a Hornady 165 gr Spire Point Interlock at 2900 fps. The BP reticle works out to 500 yards.

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You're foot-slogging at 8500 feet above the oak brush jungles near Cortez,glance across a canyon and discover an outlandish MD buck that already has you "made",staring down your throat at 400 yards (the distance at which you're "supposed" to have plenty of "time"); he hangs around just long enough so that you(having zeroed at 100 yards, intending to rely on your turrets for anything over 200) have lazed him and twisted up for the shot.

He,being a finely tuned survivalist,ducks pronto into a stringer of spruce or aspen,and starts hightailing through the trees,angling slightly toward you,cutting distance,headed for a draw where he's gone forever...but hesitates at about 200...meantime you're twisted up for 400,trying to figure WTF to do and how to hold.But you really don't know,guess,and ....miss...cause all you had was a couple of seconds,which was not exactly cricket of the buck for failing to allow you time to click down(or similarly in reverse,"up")before he scooted off,knowing your intentions(remember he is not a 2.5 year old juvenile,but a seasoned survivor,why he is "big").

The whole situation was easily solved with a 270 or 7 mag zeroed 3" up at 100,providing only 8-12" of drop at 400.(And "no", the shooter would not be "guessing". Because he knows precisely how much drop he gets at 400 yards,having fired several thousand rounds with the rifle and load on varmints and at the range.)He was dead in seconds if you were trained and practiced with the rifle and load;he was also "dead" at 200,if you could live with an inch more mid range at that distance.No you would not miss high if you knew what you were doing....all without touching your sights; in seconds....

The genius of O'Connor,Page,and Keith with the 3" high zero was that they understood "hunting",game, and what it took to kill it under real field conditions.They kept it "simple";yet managed to kill even at extended range,and understood that what works like a charm at the range is not always the way to go in the hunting field.





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Bob.How did you know the buck was at 400yds? Guesstimate,lasered?

If lasered, then that took time.I have a drop table on my stock.. I sight in dead on at 100,and know how high to hold at 300. At 200, it would have ben dead with no hold over. At 300 he would have been dead by not holding ove rhairlne. At 400,he does not get shot at with me. Been there, done that,have the Tee Shirt.
There are a lot of ways to accomplish the same thing. Just whatever works for each individaul.


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saddlesore:You could know 400 if you lazed it and had time to do so.Some are pretty good at estimating distance if they have shot a lot.And there is always your reticle as well.Sometimes all in combination.

Distance is not as big an issue as flexibility in a sighting system that takes into consideration that animals are not static targets that come at predetermined distances.

Whatever system you use,be familiar with it.Not included in my repetoire is any system requiring me to alter zero while in the presence of game.That is one of my points that I am trying to make.And yes I would rather rely on gravity to 400-500 yards than a scope manufacturer's promise that a turret does not have slack,will not wear out,and will give reliable adjustments.On an expensive, or difficult hunt,or self-guided where I have waited years for a permit,I won't trust a scope manufacturer's word that a scope will adjust accordingly, with my hunt.I'll rely on me, and a flat shooting rifle,zeroed for the task at hand.

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I can certainly attest to the mishaps of equiptment such as range finders and rifle scopes. Also being out in that Western high country over 3 dozen times, still it gets hard to estimate range for the first couple days with me anyway.

I zero my .270 Win & the 30-06 I owned at 200 yards! However, my .300 Win mag and 7mm Rem mag are both zeroed at 300 yards.
I never tried to kill elk further than 250 yards with my 06. I lost my first elk with a .270 cal years ago. A lesson well learned in bullets and bullet weight.

However, I was told by a wise old greybeard hunter to take that magnum of mine and zero it DEAD ON at 300 yards! I did so and also have laminated card on the stock to let me know what to do at 400, 450 and 500 yards with a 180 grain bullet. It has worked very well all these years.


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400 yards is easy to tell--it is the distance from the crosshair to the bottom post on a Leupie fixed 6x (18", or chest depth on a deer). Instant range finding.

Same works for a fixed Leupie 4x, only that makes it about 275 yards.

Keep it simple.

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I always look at my sierra handloading manual in the ballistic section and set my zero for maximum point blank range. Most calibers I shoot usually have a maximum point blank range of around 300 yards.

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if you set a target at 25 yards away and hit bulls eye your 3-4" high at 100 (this is from memory so numbers are a littel off but close)at 200yds 6-7 1/2" high at 300yds your zero and 400yrds 12-14" low 500yrds 32-36" low but alot of this has to due with bullet wieght,what kind of bullet and so on the back of reloading books have this info in it.but what i said is a good rule of thumb. this info is for the 30-06

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I shoot pretty boring stuff, 7X57 150's, 30-06 180's, 8X57 195's, .350RM 225's and they all pretty much use the 209 (like the primer) rule. 2" high at 100 = 0 at 200 = 9 low at 300. Beyond that it's time for this guy to do a little more hunting. The gap in the duplex is instant and works fine for ranging.
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If you will zero .270 at 25 yards dead on with 130 grain bullets it will be about 3 inches high at 100 yds. This makes it much easier on you and less expensive. I like to use Federal trophy bonded bear claw 140 grain for elk. Remember the bigger the caliber the heavier the gun needs to be to absorb recoil! Shoot the rifle that you are most comfortable with. recoil on 270 is 14 recoil on 30-06 is 21 big difference. Forget about Holding over or taking bad angle shots. There is nothing worse than wounding an animal and no recovery! Above all be safe!


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Exactly well done. Why do people buy flat shooting rifles then sight them in for 100 yd zero. Remember shoot zero at 25 yds then double check at 100 yds then if you are hunting from a tree stand and a deer walks out at 25 yds which is usually the case guess what? Check the point blank range for the caliber and grain you are shooting. You do not have to hold under or over from zero yards to max point blank range which is based on where the bullet is hitting at 100yds. Example .270 130grain zero 25 yds 3.1 inches high 100yds point blank range roughly 270yards


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30-06 zero @ 200 yds 180 Core-lokts

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Both my 270's and 30-06 are sighted in 3" high at 100.I even have my Nosler 300 grain in the 45-70 sighted the same way.

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
400 yards is easy to tell--it is the distance from the crosshair to the bottom post on a Leupie fixed 6x (18", or chest depth on a deer). Instant range finding.

Same works for a fixed Leupie 4x, only that makes it about 275 yards.

Keep it simple.


DD,yes agreed...but to my eyeballs it looked like the 6X was subtending 5" at 100,so that is what I used as a guide...really close enough but you are likely right.

With anything doing 3200 fps,and zeroed for 300 yards,the bottom post of the 6X is my aiming point at 500 yards.It works good!




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