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Dear Downwindtracker2,

The world has not yet finished going to hell. That is true. But the changes for the worse in Canada are traceable to the federal Liberal Party of Canada - and to the people who ran it like Pierre Trudeau, his minister of immigration Lloyd Axeworthy, and his minister of justice Jean Cretien.

The 120 street gangs in Toronto, and I know for a fact there were none there only 20 years ago because I lived there - are directly traceable to the Liberal party and its inner circle centered around Power Corp in Montreal. They trashed Canada. They ought to be made to pay for that.

In Canada people do not seem to realize that they are the government and decisions should be made from the grass roots up. If you let government operate from the top down you get looted.

Government are just a pool of vested interests. They have to be kept on a leash like a junk yard dog.

Immigration and vote getting are always tied in,just look at the policies at the turn of the last century.

One Americian commentator blamed it on TV and air-conditioning,and he made a strong case.

I grew up around Vancouver and I mourn the loss of that safe and civil society.

There has always been gangs,wheither Chinese triad or Italian mafa.But since drugs,there much more street level volence.(sp)

I don't have an answer,but blaming politians is much too easy.

Here is what Trudeau has done for Canada. I hope they put it in the history books along with all the other multicult BS he has brought to (our) country. This is happening in London. Whatever happens there will happen here very soon.






[img]http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr296/378Canuck/muz5.jpg[/img] Why aren't the coppers wading through this mob beating them with batons and pepper spraying them???? I see peaceful protests on Global warming and such get attacked by squads of police yet these fanaticts go on unchecked. I'm discussed with our spineless government pandering to these religious idiots. If I picked up one of these signs and walked down town I would end up with a beating and in prison without any doubt.

In many ways you can fault the politicians for the drug problems too. They have not been willing to pass the type of legislation that would really deter dealing. There need to be mandatory minimum sentences that CANNOT BE PLEA BARGAINED DOWN OR AWAY! No deals struck of any kind. Hit the smugglers/dealers hard. Immediate deportation of non-citizens, strip naturalized citizens of such and deport immediately. No appeals. Significant federal time for those born here who choose to deal in drugs. Provide realistic help for those addicted but not dealing. Addicted/dealing equals dealer equals prison. Encourage and allow Canadians to defend our towns, neighbourhoods etc against criminals/dealers/gangs.
Yes it would take quantum change in how Canadians look at things but it needs to happen. Apply these principles to all serious offences and I feel we would have a much safer country.

Dear troutfly,

I agree and it must be done now. International drug dealers and money launderers already have a much stronger hold on Canada, it banks and the economy than most Canadians realize. Their huge store of cash let them manipulate politicians.

These are evil people. They kill children. I know a man who lives in a town where a Russian showed up. The Russian began throwing parties for kids and giving them free drugs to get them hooked. Then he began using them to sell drugs for himself. This man's son is 18 and now he is a vegetable. He sits staring straight ahead and not talking. At other time he just sits and stares and cries.

In war we kill people we would like had we met them socially. In peace we give all kinds of legal rights to psychopathic killers who destroy the lives of children. Something is really wrong.

I pesonally believe drug dealers and pimps should be allowed up to three convictions to give them time to change their ways. After that just take them out behind the barn and shoot them in the head.

Drug dealers are just a money making machine for lawyers.

The last hope for Canada may be to appoint G-men with tommy guns to take these people down like Elliot Ness did in Chicago with Al Capone and his Canadian partner - Sam Bronfman.

If we don't do it now we are going to soon end up with a situation like Mexico where 15,000 people a year have to die in gunfights to bring things under control.

Some rather interesting opinions on Canada, many of our politicians and luminaries and gun control.
I'll leave the argument about who was, or was not, a "Commie" to others - everyone has their own opinions but I would like to express a few facts, not opinions.
1. We have had gun control of one sort or another since Confederation. I have my Father-In-Law's "liscence" dated 1945 if you care to see it. You have had to register handguns since 1934 and automatics since 1951. In 1969 the concept of registering "restricted", "non restricted" and "prohibited " came into effect. Interestingly , Bill C17 which was in 1991 which further limited gun "rights" was enacted by a Conservative, not Liberal Government and received the backing in Parliament of all parties.
2. Some may despise Trudeau but he was "voted" the 3rd most popular Canadian in a poll across Canada. That's pretty good I'd say. First Place interestingly went to Tommy Douglas, a "Socialist" who pioneered national medical services to all Canadians. Trudeau was famous for trying to make Canada "Canadian" rather than being a colony of Britain and he repatriated the Constitution. He was also famous for stating that "the Government has no business in the bedrooms of Canada" which would seem to be against "Socialism" where the State wants to control everything. Seems to me that much, if not most of Canada preferred Trudeau's "Socialism" at the time to the alternatives.
3. The OP notes the actions of a number of infamous Canadians including Al Eagleson. I don't know if the implications were that he was a criminal abetted by the Liberals but the fact is that he was a Conservative Party member and MLA. Contrary to what the OP said, he actually was tried and convicted in both the US and Canada, not just the US.
4. Seems that the OP is blaming all the World's, or at least Canada's present woes on the Liberals. Yes, they have their warts, like all parties before and after but they have also produced such Internationally acclaimed Leaders as Lester Pearson who won the Nobel Peace Prize. Not too shabby an accomplishment.
My point is not to defend Trudeau or the Liberals but the OP's rambling accusation is in many ways baseless and misleading and I felt that there are two sides to every story.
BTW, one of my Canadian "Heroes" was John Diefenbaker - a true Canadian Conservative Prime Minister.

1)One reason Trudeau didn't want government in the bedrooms of Canadians because he was an ac/dc - a fudge stuffer who surrounded himself with other fudge stuffers. Ever notice the huge number of "bachelors" in his inner circle. That is why Margaret was hard to keep on a leash. Trudeau was likely holding his nose when Justin was concieved.

2)Dieffenbaker's government was brought down because the RCMP was in the bedrooms of the nation in those days and they discovered that Pierre Sevigny, Canada's Minister of Defence was sleeping with a Stasi agent named Gerta Munsinger.

Trudeau didn't want the same thing happening to him. That was his reason for his sexual concerns. The first thing he did when he came to office was have the RCMP destroy his own files. They are still floating around. If I can get a copy I will post them.

3)You can get any answer you want in a survey. It depends on how you pose the question. Most Liberal surveys, such as those commissioned by the Liberal party or Liberal institutions like the Toronto Star, are worded to get the response they want. The results are then used to create peer pressure and to justify policy changes. Its all a game.

Hollywood uses these kinds of popularity poles all the time. Julia Roberts was voted most beautifuil woman in the world but she has a mouth that goes from one ear to the other. She isn't even a B grade beauty and never was. And yet she was voted most beautiful woman in the world.


4) Tommy Douglas was a good man just as Nelson Mandela was a good man. The ones who came in his footsteps like Ed Broadbent and the Africans who have followed in Mandelas foot steps are cut from a cloth of a different color.

I met Ed Broadbent in Aruha and talked to him for two hours. He struck me as a cross between a Mississippi River boat gambler and a used car salesman down on his luck.

The breaking newspaper story, the criminal charges, the prosectution and the conviction as well as the jail sentence were FIRST levied against Eagleson in the USA. If he was convicted in Canada it was because the Candian legal system was embarassed into laying charges. The Cnadian press was embarasse into providing newspaper coverage.

The story was finally printed in Canadian newspapers because they had to stop looking stupid. But the story was originalyly dug up by Canadian journaists who could not get it printed in Canada and handed it to their American counter parts. I know the guy who dug it up. He tried to get it printed in Canada for 10 years!

The Nobel prize is a meaningless bauble given to those who play the game. Al Gore just got one for promoting Global warming, a phenomena that doesn't even exist.

Its a meaningless award created by an explosives company for damage control. Peason got his from UN types for collecting and pissing aways millions of dollars of the Canadian taxpayesr money to UN types of useless causes.

Better to have spent the money of health care and education of Canada's children

The Federal Liberal party from the first day of Pierre Trudeau to the last days of Paul Martin was a genuinely corrupt and really evil institution and it is responsible for the shifting of power in Canada out of the hands of legitimate busines and into the hands of international organized crime. That is a fact. The Liberal Party of Canda has to die.

Hnadgun registration was introduced into Canada in the 30s when their was plenty of labour unrest and when it looked like (I think his names was Tim Buck-just forget) the aforementioned man was head of the communist party and the police thought he planned to use violence to take over Canada.

John Dieffenbacker's conservatives were greedy and crooked like the Mulroney conservative and sold radio and TV licence for money and influence but they were not evil like the Federal Liberal party under Trudeau's control. They did not make deal with the devil (Soviet Russia and International drug dealesr who kill children)wheras Trudeau's inner circle most certainly did.

I never liked Dieffenbaker because he scrapped the AVRO arrow project. The Tories have been crooked in the past but I can live with that. I canot live with the Liberals who have been pure distilled evil.

The Conservatives are not blameless,but they are the only show in town if you don't want Canada to become like Britain,which is now a gunless,crime ridden,multicultural cesspool.Loony socialist ideas rule,hopefully Brown will soon be gone and some sanity will prevail.Even then it is too late for the English,but it's not late for us.Vote for any one you wish in the next election,it is our right to do so,but be careful what you wish for.Me,it's Harper all the way,I'd like to keep my guns. Monashee

I wish to clarify my last post. Democratic politicians from all parties tend to have no values of any kind other than feathering their own beds. They are not as a rule great people. The longer they are in office the more opportunties they have to rob the cookie jar which is why in the US the presidncy is limited to two terms.

In Canada all parties have and will contionue to produce alot of crooks. My impression of the Tories is they get involved in bribes and corruption just as much as anyone but on the whole they are just greedy like Brian Mulroney and loot the till when they can.

My problem with the Liberals is the yk�hook up with te most laothesome people on palet eart, people who not only rob the cookies jar but also sell drugs (which is knowingly killing children) and who even hook up with people who murder.

For example Liberal PM Paul Martin and Liberal insider Maurice Strong put together a company called I think Cordex which allegedly accepted bribes from Saddam Husein in the Un Oil for Food scandal. Martin and Strong know what kind of a man Saddam was and yet they ignored the fact that Hussein gassed 5,000 Kurdish villagers to death in order to make a buck.

I will look up the references to this and post them when I have times.

I Guess the difference between the Conservatives and the Liberals in Canada is the difference between a thief and a murderer.

They Tories may be corrupt but so far they haven't been caught. That being the case I'd like to see them get a majority and then give them the chance to go through the whole civil service and upper echelons of the RCMP and clean house.

They might put things on the right track. But I am absolutely certain that if we put men in power like Paul Martin who we know are willing to look the other way when dealing with men like Saddam Hussein that we are certainly doomed.

Stay tuned.

A complete list of Canadians (and other nationalities) on the take from Saddam Hussein is listed in a story called SADDAM'S GLOBAL PAYROLL - Wall Street Journal Feb 9, 2004. I don't have a copy here or I would post it. Maybe somebody knows how to get it. The Canadians named are the heart and soul of the Federal Liberal party. People who turn a blind eye to the gassing of women and children ought not to be running Canda. They ought to be dragged out of their limousines and tarred and feathered.

For real good stuff readily available on the net go to Yahoo and Punch in Maurice Strong and Pittsburg Tribune Review starting with the date July 30, 2006. Anyone who is computer literate (I am not) could post it. He is a scary man and for years was the heart and soul of both the Federal Liberal Party of Canada under Trudeau and the United nations. He created CIDA, used Ontario Hydro money to make a "Peace University" in Costa Rica, was a good buddy of Jummy Hoffa who is till missing. He is an example fo the kind of Liberals leading Canada from the election of Pierre Trudeau to the departure of Jean Cretien. Evil stuff

Here is a neat Maurice Strong website. Its called hawkscafe:message:Tet-offensive Treason by Maurice Strong. The poster has listed his phone number so if you want to know all the details about Maurice, the man from heart of the federal Liberal party of Canada, and the UN, and the man who dreamed up the carbon tax just give the poster a phone call.

Here is another neat Paul Martin Story. Its called "Hussein invested one million dollars in Paul Martin owned Cordex". Its available at www.Canadafreepress.com/2005 cover 042205 a.htm

The Canada Free Press has tons of Maurice Strong stuff. Remember this man is the heart and soul not only of Trudeau's Federal Liberal party but also the United Nations and he invented Global warming and the carbon tax. His good buddies like George Soros and Robert Schad are all anti-hunting and anti-gun nut bars.



Birds of a feather stick together.

Just another note about Canadian ex Prime Minister Paul Martin note. He is the guy who trashed the Canadian paras in Somalia after a first nations para (not a white para) killed a Somali thief.

These paras had an honourable record in WW2. Do you think a man who works hand in hand with the likes of Saddam Hussein and his relatives like Chemical Ali cares about a Somali thief?

Martin used the old Trudeau trick of associating with pop stars to try to boost his popularity with young voters. A PR firm hooked Trudeau up with a date with Barbara Streisand. Paul Martin hooked himself up with rock star and lounge lizard Bono to save Africa.

Do you think someone likie Martin who hooked up with Saddam Hussein and his torture chmabers actually gives a dam about anything other than money in his own pocket?

Note:

When I say Liberal and Conservative in Canada I don't mean political philosophy. I mean a collection of bad guys wearing black hats who have gathered under the Liberal banner and a collection of as yet untried but possibly good guys wearing white hats who need a majority to be given a chance to make headway against what was a genuinely evil Liberal cartel.

If you have read the above mentioned links to this post you will realize there is a good chance Maurice Strong, the man who was at the heart and soul of Trudeau's Power Corp based Federal Liberal Party and the man who was UN's long term guiding light, does not seem to want to return to either Canada or the USA.

It appears he could possibly face tough questioning and possibly even charges pertaining to the taking bribes from former dictator and mass murderer Saddam Hussein.

If Strong holds dual US and Canadian citizenships then he could possibly face treason charges in the USA which could mean the death penalty.

Maurice Strong is a good buddy of both anti-gunner George Soros and anti-hunter Robert Schad.

He is putting together a car company in China with Soros and he shared board positions at Ryerson University in Toronto with Robert Schad.

Birds of a feather stick together!

Here is an example - Punch in www.yorku.ca/ycas/pdf/workbook/pdf and go to page 10.

Near the bottom you will see the name Robert Schad and five names later Maurice Strong as course advisors for some kind YORk U environmental bird course liked to CIDA and the UN?.

Whenever you punch is Schad and Strong or Soros and Strong their names pop up together all over the place.

Easy to trace who is in bed with who. They are all identified as $Billionaires and all are attacking either hunting or American gun ownership. None are American by birth.

Here is the link between David Suzuki an Robert Schad. I did not realize the CBC's David Suzuki at one time ran the Robert Schad Foundation nor did I know Suzuki was involved in shutting down Ontario's spring bear hunt. The link is www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1199tidbits5.htm

Here is an interesting blog about Suzuki.

The posters say Suzukis TV shows contain massive factual errors (he thinks the reaon there are no trees on the praire is because the farmers cut them all down - apparently said so on TV-can you believe that?) and one even says Suzuki has built a Saddam Hussein-like statue to himself on Quadra island.

Here is the link. www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004873.html

Looks like the marines may have to topple another monument to a big ego but at least Quadra Island is alot closer than Bagdad.

Here is another link that shows Maurice Strong, business asociate of mass murderer Saddan Hussein, is also a director of the anti-hunting Humane Society of the United States and sits on the board of the David Suzuki Foundation.

The link is www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Maurice_Strong-

Its important to know that Ex Canadian Pm Paul Martin's (some allege that he is Maurice Strong's half brother?) bag man is Gerry Schwartz.

Schwartz bought Robert Schad's Husky Injection Moulding. His wife Heather Reismann owns Chapters Book store Chain and Indigo Books. These book stores carry "Save The Bear" type books published by people who work for foundations financed by Schad. The whole thing goes round and round in a circle.

These plastic injection moulding machines, made since the fifties by Robert Schad, who in turn sold (for a $ Billion dollars) Husky Injection Moulding to Gerry Schwartz have probably facilitated more damage to planet earth than all the nuclear explosions ever made, and have likely wreaked more damage to the earth thatn WW2 by making billions of disposable bottles that have created a toxic plastic shield in the Pacific and other oceans.

Where was environmentalist David Suzuki when we needed him? Likely taking money from the Robert Schad Foundation.