MontanaPH: I hope you have a great and rewarding Hunt during this damage control thingy!
I personally REFUSE to partake in these "RUN THE GAUNTLET" and "FIRING LINE" type Hunts!!!
The neccessity for these "Hunts" is caused by ranchers who won't allow Hunters on their places in the regular season and the Elk NOW herd up on private ranches and not neccessarily the ranches that do not allow the Hunting in regular Hunting seasons!
Reason #2 for these damage control Hunts is the vast over-population of Wolves that have the Elk (in the last 7 to 10 years - depending on the area!) completely stressed out and all out of the norm for the time of year and relating to weather (snow) conditions!
Out of the norm being they are where the Wolves hesitate to caper!
Result "damage control Hunting"!
I drove by a traditional Elk wintering area just 3 days ago and in this area where normally 1,200 to 1,800 Elk normally passively spend the winter (no matter what the conditions!) on sun bathed open ridges there were only 350 Elk - and Wolf tracks did abound there!
Some miles from there on private ranches the Elk were hanging near corrals and ranch houses!!!
Result "damage control Hunting"!
This situation (damage control Hunts - Elk where they shouldn't be in mild conditions!) is way out of the decades long norms I am familiar with!!!
Again best of luck to you on your Hunt but I refuse to perpetuate this new F&G situation where Elk Hunting in SW Montana MOSTLY consists of "FIRING LINES" and "RUNNING THE GAUNTLETS" type "Hunting"!
Thats NOT Hunting in my book!
And I let the F&G folks know of my dissatisfaction every chance I get!
With as mild a winter as were are having there should be NO phucking reason what so ever for an ELK "damage control Hunt"!!!
The artificial reason for this Hunt is the transplanted Canadian Wolves have them stressed and moved onto private areas!
PERIOD!
Again best of luck to you
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy, thank you for wishes of luck. I think if you re-read my original post, I referred to this as a "harvest", I myself do not consider this a "hunt" in the true sense of the word.

I also support the control of the wolf problem that has begun to devastate animal numbers and create disarray in the wintering and migration habits of elk and deer herds in certain parts of the state.

The reason I started this read was to get feedback from those who have had experience with these mgmt harvests because I too have heard tales of the "firing line" style depredation "hunts", which I was not at all interested in. I was able to speak with the FWP manager in charge of this mgmt operation as well as the ranch owner. This particular scenario is limited to 10 people max spread over 3 days.

I don't necessarily blame ranchers or a lack of hunter access for these types of hunts though. This particular ranch is located at the foothils of the northern Bridgers and Belt mountains (areas with plenty of snow and not a large number of wolves compared to other areas). Most of these elk spend the fall in mountains being hunted by the masses on pulic land, only to be forced down to private land by weather after the seasons end.

I clearly understand some of your frustrations with the situation, thanks for the feedback!

Please let MontanaPH et al. fill their freezers with meat in peace. No one is trying to "perpetuate" anything, and your opinion on the intricacies of ungulate biology and population dynamics is just that.

Damage control hunts are conducted much the same way in Colorado.
Numbers are drawn. Hunts go out 2 maybe 3 days per week at the most. One hunter hunts per day, 2 at the max.

"RUNNING THE GAUNTLET" and "FIRING LINES" are fiction.

In Southern Colorado there are no wolves. The agricultural damage occurs in the total absense of wolves.

The hunts must be planned nearly a year in advance. Weather in any one given year has nothing to do with it.

The way things are going in my area, elk may be tough to hunt or "harvest" for the unforseeable future. Good luck filling the freezer. mtmuley

Mudhen, just curious, how'd you hear about the sale?

Alamosa: IF you are foolish enough to believe that much of the Elk Hunting here in SW Montana (where over 50% of all of Montanas Elk ARE harvested by the way!) has NOT been reduced to firing line and running the gauntlet type Hunting then you simply are ignorant of which you are trying to speak!
I live here!
I KNOW what is going on!
I Hunt here virtually year round and I see these things as fact!
Just consider this case in point for your consideration/information!
I and an Elk Hunting partner were traveling from one huge valley to another on October 29th 2,009, when we drove through a huge cattle ranch around noonish.
There had been a herd of 800 Elk hiding on the adjacent ranch for the first several days of the season with an accompanying HOARDE of road Hunters just lurking about and waiting for the Elk to come off of the adjacent ranch onto property that could be Hunted.
There were over 40 fresh gutpiles within 100 yards of the country road and fenceline between these two ranches!
For some reason the Elk decided to make a break for it and the resulting gauntlet and firing line ensued!
Does that evidence/observation not sound like like a firing line to you?
We were to later learn that many citations (arrests) were made there for folks "jumping the gun" and firing at Elk in the gravel road and for using walkie talkies to Hunt and direct Hunters and for "hunters' shooting more than one Elk and etc etc etc!
Yeah I guess maybe those VISIBLE from the road gutpiles just came down from the "high country" and deposited themselves along that "firing line, "gauntlet"!
I know personally and fish with one of the butchers/butcher shop owners here in Dillon, Montana - he told me that the wardens brought him more confiscated Elk this year than in ANY previous year!
Firng lines and gauntlets were the big culprits here.
The game wardens and County Sheriffs have actually been closing certain roads here in SW Montana to prevent these firing line and running the gauntlet scenarios and to prevent the Hunters from shooting each other and livestock on the flat valley floors. For the last three seasons this has occurred.
They actually post notices in the local papers of these "firing line" road closures and the high Sheriff uses this emergency power under the public safety statutes!
If you think this situation is fiction there Alamosa YOU have another think coming!
And try to make your next "think" one that is based on reality!
I again re-iterate that those Elk would not be where they were at that time of the year if it were not for the Wolves harassing them and if it were not for some ranchers and private property owners not allowing reasonable Hunts to prevent these congregations of Elk on agricultural and private lands!
If you know not of what you speak you probably should not speak there Alamosa!
And this is just one of MANY disgusting scenarios I am privey to!
My good friend Ross Carmen from the Bitterroot Valley of Montana came over here for the opening long week of Elk Hunting with two friends. They brought two vehicles and a camp trailer. They set up two days before season and scouted the Elks "normal haunts".
NO Elk were seen in the "normal haunts" but they did learn of the huge numbers of Elk "hiding" on some ranches on the valley floors!
They investigated and were amazed having not seen Elk on the valley floors for the openers of some previous past seasons.
Then late on the second day of a planned 9 day Hunting trip all three HUNTERS were so sickened by the "roadside and fenceline slaughters" of Elk that they packed up and drove the 180 miles back to their homes!
The game wardens here in SW Montana now have "robo-Elk" that they set up along fencelines and in the area of firing lines and they pick off road (i.e. firing line and gauntlet) Hunters by the score!
Their bail forfeitures are cited in the local paper hereabouts all season and well after the season once their cases are adjudicated!
You are also wrong on infering that damage control Hunts are planned a year in advance here in SW Montana (the land of firing line and gauntlet type Elk "Hunting"!)!
They are NOT!
Last year (2,008 season) on just a few days notice the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks extended the Elk Hunting season in many of SW Montanas Game Management Areas!
If I recall correctly the already LONG season was extended 2 full weeks!
Again if you don't know what you are talking about you probably should not contribute!
I hope the Wolves never take hold in Colorado and I hope Colorado is never reduced to firing lines and gauntlet type Hunting but unfortunately this is a recent fact of life here in SW Montana!
There still is NO climatalogical reason for a "damage control Hunt" here in SW Montana - we are having an unusually warm winter and last I heard we were 20% behind in snowpack - that was 3 weeks ago and no snow to speak of has fallen since!
We might be 25% or 30% behind by now?
"RUNNING THE GAUNTLET" and "FIRING LINES" are for real dude and that, like YOUR ignorance, is a shame!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but game damage hunts and an extended elk season are two entirely different things are they not? I am quite sure that they are separate processes determined by unique sets of criteria.

Thanks.

Always surprises me how well known that particular ranch is...