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OK then jim62, how about a new $399 3-9x40 Conquest vs. a $479 3.5-10 VX-3.

Still $80 cheaper and still the better value.

But I'll take the $369 Conquest with the identical warranty and save $110.


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Originally Posted by jim62
Does not matter..

New is NEW..

Used is used..

Period.

My point is be FAIR in the comparison.

I think it is funny how the Zeiss fans bring up the $369 USED scopes to compare them to a NEW VX3 Leupold at $400+



It's because those demo Conquests [\I]exist[I]. So they are a player in the game so to speak.

I wish demo Leupolds existed, and if they did then I'd quote those prices. But they do not.

I wouldn't call Doug'd demos "used". At least not the 3 I've bought. They had never been mounted and showed NO signs of "use".



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If you'd ever ordered a demo from from Doug you would understand the $369 for a Zeiss statment. I can order a 3-9X40 scope that's probably never been out of the box for $369.

I like both but would opt for the 2.5-8X32 if I was going with the Leupold.

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Yeah, last 2 Leupold's were 2.5X8. That's what I'm lookin' at on the VX3. Looking at the 3X9 Conquest, as apparently the 2.5X8 Zeiss is done.

Both are 399 on Cabela's.

Got my "DEMO" Victory's from Doug. To say they were less than perfect would be laughable...


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To all the "Ziess sluts" here..

Comparing 3-9 Zeiss to a Leupold 3.5-10 is also Bullschit.

Zeiss makes a 3-10 Conquest at $589.

THAT is the one you should be comparing to the 3-10 VX3s if you were AT ALL interested in a fair comparision.

But then, that would not suit your agenda, would it?

Like I said guys, if you want to compare APPLES TO APPLES, then have at it.

Otherwise, it's just a lot of noise.

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I've got 6 Leupolds in the safe here and 1 Zeiss. I'm a real Zeiss slut shocked

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Then the Leupy falls way behind, since it is not realy a 10 power



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Originally Posted by jwp475


Then the Leupy falls way behind, since it is not realy a 10 power


You really should stop drinking so heavily before you post here..

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Originally Posted by MagMarc
I've got 6 Leupolds in the safe here and 1 Zeiss. I'm a real Zeiss slut shocked


Mark..

Doesn't matter..

Apples to Apples only ..


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To the OP,

Screw all the nit picking and just compare the 2 and buy what you like.

It's your money.

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WOW! DID THAT EVER MAKE SENSE!. Probably the most sensible post made in this "mine is better than yours" optics forum. mtmuley

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Originally Posted by JohnMoses
To the OP,

Screw all the nit picking and just compare the 2 and buy what you like.

It's your money.

JM


I also agree to that.


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Originally Posted by jim62
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Then the Leupy falls way behind, since it is not realy a 10 power


You really should stop drinking so heavily before you post here..


Apparently you are one that's drinking to not know that Leupy's are a lower power than marked



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Originally Posted by jim62
To all the "Ziess sluts" here..

Comparing 3-9 Zeiss to a Leupold 3.5-10 is also Bullschit.

Zeiss makes a 3-10 Conquest at $589.

THAT is the one you should be comparing to the 3-10 VX3s if you were AT ALL interested in a fair comparision.

But then, that would not suit your agenda, would it?

Like I said guys, if you want to compare APPLES TO APPLES, then have at it.

Otherwise, it's just a lot of noise.




You probably preffer Leupy's beacause of the super hard coatings.




Originally Posted by Eremicus
They are a first class scope. They feature coatings made from diamonds, which are ten times harder than other coating compounds. This means the light transmitting ability, and image quality of the scope, will not degrade from tiny scratches on the lenses, that occur even with the best of care, at anything like the rate of other scopes.





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Then the Leupy falls way behind, since it is not realy a 10 power


You really should stop drinking so heavily before you post here..


Apparently you are one that's drinking to not know that Leupy's are a lower power than marked


WOW.. 9.7 actuall magnication.Big diff. 3 tenths of a power..

I also DOUBT Zeiss scopes are all the actual mags listed on the scope itself.

Most rifle scopes are not.


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Compare the Leupy beside the Zeiss at the top power and the image is larger in the Zeiss

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Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by jim62
To all the "Ziess sluts" here..

Comparing 3-9 Zeiss to a Leupold 3.5-10 is also Bullschit.

Zeiss makes a 3-10 Conquest at $589.

THAT is the one you should be comparing to the 3-10 VX3s if you were AT ALL interested in a fair comparision.

But then, that would not suit your agenda, would it?

Like I said guys, if you want to compare APPLES TO APPLES, then have at it.

Otherwise, it's just a lot of noise.




You probably preffer Leupy's beacause of the super hard coatings.




Originally Posted by Eremicus
They are a first class scope. They feature coatings made from diamonds, which are ten times harder than other coating compounds. This means the light transmitting ability, and image quality of the scope, will not degrade from tiny scratches on the lenses, that occur even with the best of care, at anything like the rate of other scopes.




Actually.. if you look at this thread, I NEVER said I prefered the Leupold..

I just think if these guys are going to argue a point between the two brands, they should compare the same basic models.


That's all.


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Then the Leupy falls way behind, since it is not realy a 10 power


You really should stop drinking so heavily before you post here..


Apparently you are one that's drinking to not know that Leupy's are a lower power than marked


WOW.. 9.7 actuall magnication.Big diff. 3 tenths of a power..

I also DOUBT Zeiss scopes are all the actual mags listed on the scope itself.

Most rifle scopes are not.



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Understand the jing factor all to well.Seeing as your from the pig hunting capital of the world.And most people I know in Texas arn't clock watchers when deer hunting.I feel its in your best interest to stay away from optics that.---

Rely on 1930s focusing technology.Hard to believe they still are selling outdated chit like that.Really highlights just how far behind they are in technology.

Johnney cant seem to get the power ingraved on the power ring in the proper location.Several years ago on Sniperhide there was a post on the optics board.Hunderds of posts.Seems law inforcement all over the country were finding out that mil-dots were not at the right spacing because of poor QC at the big L.
If you were to just read this board.All you would hear is that lupies Xs are low and are at a disadvantage in low light.Actually becaues of very poor QC there all over the lot.Some are high and some are low.This explanes the wide difference in how lupies "look" from scope to scope .Think snow flakes here.Everyone is different.

Only the latest scopes should be tested.Oddly enough I kinda agree with this one.Tasco had fully multi coated glass before lupie did.You dont have to go back that far to find a turd lupie without full coatings and trust me,they are pathetic.The tiny invisible scratchs we hear about so much are very simple to explain.Lupies MC4 coating is a mass market,cheep,very low quality coating that degrades pretty quickly over time.Whether you clean it or not.Hard use make the view go south even faster.
Your talking about Zeiss "T" coating against MC4? Nuff said.

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According to E the slight difference in power makes a huge difference.


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I have several Leupolds on rifles and 1 Conquest. To me the Conquest is clearly the better glass, but I prefer rifles on the lighter side so the ones with Leupolds usually go hunting. While I think the Zeiss is clearer, I can't think of any time the Leupolds have not been good enough.


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JMR..

Are your Leupolds the latest VX3 Models with the newer coatings??

Just curious.


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