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If you have used the 45-70 successfully, then your doing something right, and I suggest you keep on using what works for you..I understand it will work fine if you know what your doing, and if you are a hunter, not just in name but ability.

I also have a few kills on film with clients using hot loaded 45-70s and they would be good ammo for the anti hunters. There desire for a one shot kill was a disaster to the elk, they wanted to wait until he died as he wobbled around for 20 minutes or more, then I shot him, and they got mad.....thus my distrust of the caliber for the once a year hunter, and those that just want to prove a point. al I do love the old Winchester 1886s, 71s and 94s and I am guilty of hunting with sub calibers such as the 25-35, 30-30 and 250-3000 that I have used on elk..I know they are not an ideal elk calibers, but they have worked for me and none are in the power range of th 45-70..I just get close and place my shot or shots in which case they work. If used properly with common since, they 45-70 is an elk rifle. I just have had some bad experiences and perhaps I am taking it out on the caliber instead of the shooter. I will conceed to that extent.

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I could tell the same story about a 7mm Magnum on black bear!

It is the Indian that matters not the arrow.


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So could I but that would ruffle more feathers than I want to deal with today. grin

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The .45/70 is a useful cartridge for the hunter that can stalk or timber hunt. The ballistics are there, the competence is there and the history is there, both in age and the number of animals taken over that time.

This simply means that when someone says it is not good for whatever reason, they are simply stating lack of first hand knowledge with the cartidge.

The .30/06 is a competent 300 yard cartridge and more, and if you learn it's capabilities, the drop out to even 500 yards is not impossible, more than plausible, and again, the history is there in length of years and the number of animals taken over that time.

A thread is well worth skipping when it is clogged with negative comments from experts who recite over an over a single issue that is obviously relating to bullet placement.

I reread Jack Lotts story about the infamous cape buffalo that tossed him back in 1959 and created so much inspiration for the experts that followed. I will comment no more on this, other than to suggest reading Jack's own words on where the bullet struck. The article is floating around on this web site.

Placement is always the arbitor on cartridge competence which is why the denigrators contradict themselves when they cite in other threads the competence some very small cartridges demonstrated in their hands and due to their skill.

If a .45/70 is such a lousy elk cartridge, why has the 7x57, 270, 25/06, (shall I keep reducing the power?) ,243, .300 Savage, 25/35 enough.

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Animals could really give a hoot about headstamp. You do your part and pick a proper bullet, you'll have meat.

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Originally Posted by WranglerJohn
Pig and bear drop like they was pole axed - whatever a pole ax is.


pole�ax or pole�axe (plks)
n.
1. An ax having a hammer face opposite the blade, used to slaughter cattle.
2. A medieval battle-ax consisting of a long shaft ending in an ax or a combination of an ax, hammer, and pick.
tr.v. pole�axed, pole�ax�ing, pole�ax�es
To strike or fell with or as if with a poleax: "When a gang of doves circled above the flowing water and swooped in to feed, he poleaxed the leader with a clean head shot" (William Hoffman).


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I like the looks of that gun. I've had eight 45-70's,.....but the caliber is equally capable of 45 Colt velocities. I can't recommend it highly enough....and WM doesn't carry 45 Colt either.


Well at least you have your priorities straight. Gotta love those 45's !!!!


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Originally Posted by atkinson
If you have used the 45-70 successfully, then your doing something right, and I suggest you keep on using what works for you..I understand it will work fine if you know what your doing, and if you are a hunter, not just in name but ability.




Poor bullets mean poor performance, great bullets mean great performance. That fact hold true for all calibers even the great Nitro Express big bores



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Whew, just got done reading all 11 pages of this thread. I was out of town hunting hogs with my son. I bought the Guide Gun in 2003. I have used a .45-70 for every out of state/country hunt I've made since then. If it was legal, I'd use it to hunt deer, here in Indiana. I've hunted with my Marlin Guide Gun, in Tennessee, Texas, Idaho, and RSA. I've harvested hogs, bear, and 7 head of African plains game with the ole girl. My go to load is a 300 gr. nosler partition @ 1950 fps. To the origional poster, yeah get one, you will love it. BTW, here's what I shot with the 45-70 last week, and the meat is great!

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I've hunted deer and other big game for over 30 yrs. My longest shot ever was a lasered 186 yds, taken with....the 45-70, on a Texas hog. I just love the cartridge.

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Soulful post, Maddog,

...and to the point.

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Yep, for what I can still hunt, both physicaly and monetarily, the .45-70 can do it all. Hell, I may try it on lopes, in WY., next yr.grin

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Duck911... I have the same gun you are looking at, it shoots great still working on loads for it with both the 405 grain hardcast and 300 Nosler partions. I plan to keep it open sights for bear hunting in the thick heavy brush. I did find out that marlins have a little problem with the hornady lever evalutions, they are a little long and cause feeding problems. I read on another site marlins has the part to fix this problem for around $10. BTW this rifle makes for a great camp gun... had some problems with the two legged critters while camping, it solved that problem really quick! I give this rifle 2 thumbs up!!!!

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Why not? Fun to shoot, can loaded BP power or more powerful than a 450Marlin, exists in a lot of different firearms,lot of bullets shape and toughness, good for most game in Europe or the USA, even some African games or Australian ones. Part of history of your country, good and bad,easy to handload...
Then why do look for reason to buy one. I you want it buy it. Passion is the word: the heart has reasons that reason ignore (Pascal). Own four of them 2 1886 and one 1895 plus a Shiloh and an original 1885 in 45-90. Need no excuse for that.



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Originally Posted by maddog
Whew, just got done reading all 11 pages of this thread. I was out of town hunting hogs with my son. I bought the Guide Gun in 2003. I have used a .45-70 for every out of state/country hunt I've made since then. If it was legal, I'd use it to hunt deer, here in Indiana. I've hunted with my Marlin Guide Gun, in Tennessee, Texas, Idaho, and RSA. I've harvested hogs, bear, and 7 head of African plains game with the ole girl. My go to load is a 300 gr. nosler partition @ 1950 fps. To the origional poster, yeah get one, you will love it. BTW, here's what I shot with the 45-70 last week, and the meat is great!

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I've hunted deer and other big game for over 30 yrs. My longest shot ever was a lasered 186 yds, taken with....the 45-70, on a Texas hog. I just love the cartridge.

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Maddog your post done convinced me. I'm out of a 45-70 right now but it's officially on the list of what to get...soon. Right behind a Garand and one of them new stainless 39A's.

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Cole, don't matter whether ya git a ruger #1, H&R Handi, or any of the Marlins, they're all fun! Got a 39A....but its blued, bought in 1974, and prolly has killed 500+ squirrels.

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I agree maddog. I've had a bunch of different 45-70's. They were all fun in their way.

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"its the indian not the arrow"

I like that quote. I really like the 4570, hits hard, leaves a heck of a blood trail, comes in a rifle platform that fits me very well (the marlin guide gun). I like the ability to load it up or down, very versitle that way.


I like old rounds, the 45acp, the 30-06, 45/70 those are my kinda things. I like the 1911, the marlin 1895, and bolt actions I'm warming up to. I drive a '89 gmc with a TBI 350. I like things that have proven themselves over the years and that are easy to work on should the need arrise. Funny thing is I'm 28 and all my peers are running bolt actions in the new ultra supper short magnums with huble telescope like sights and driving brand new trucks they take to a shop just to get the oil changed. Not my style, but To each their own.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
It's just one of those things. The 45-70 is a piece of Americana. I recently bought a Marlin 1895GBL myself. Working on a pet load that will push a 405gr cast at 1300-ish fps.I'd say go for it. Upon shooting it you will either love it or not. If not, you can probably move it along for about what you have into it.


I am using 25 grains of AA5744 with my home cast 407 gr (wheel weights - water quenched) and getting very close to 1300. Very accurate even out to 100 yards and beyond. Easy on the shoulder too.


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