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I have a .358 Hawkeye and a Savage M10 rebarrled to .358, I like the cartridge a lot...However, you better handload or plan to start...finding factory ammo is like looking for teeth in a chicken.... I only found one box at a hardware store in Maine 2 years ago. But you can't go wrong with the .338 Fed...I never shot one but the idea sounds fine.
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If you want a good brush rifle, look for a used Ruger Frontier rifle in 358, 338 or even 308. They are the perfect brush rifle with their 16" barrel and 35" overall length. You can find them on Gunbroker or GunsAmerica. You can even use a forward mounted scope or red dot. Another good brush gun is the Marlin guide gun. or you can mount a regular scope w/ the correct rings... this is a 308 w/ a 2-7 leupold. very thick hunting property. ![[Linked Image]](http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/kellet1/AR9ptcropped.jpg) [/quote]...................I have the same identical Ruger Frontier as shown in the pic above chambered in the 300 WSM and topped with the 2.5-10x32 Sightron S2 scope. If an ideal, fast and great handling brush rifle in a bolt action is what you`re looking for, there is none better than the Ruger compact or the Frontier version. Great dimension as a truck gun, climbing in and out of stands, carrying, speed, stalking, etc,,,you name it! You should still be able to nail maybe a new one or a newer used one in the Frontier version from G/B, chambered in either the 338 Fed or the 358 Winny. If necessary, they`ll handle anything you want to out to 250-300 yards and maybe a little more too.
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I have never fired a .338 Federal, however, I regularly use my .358 BLR. If you handload, it is an absolutely dynamite cartridge. It is accurate, it penetrates, leaves a big blood trail, & puts game down quickly.
My best loads include: Spr 180fp at 2700 fps ( great deer load & matches a 180 30-06 velocity wise ), 225 Sie at 2500 fps ( most accurate in my gun ), 225 Partition at 2500 ( all around ), & either Spr 250 at 2400 fps ( a sledgehammer at any reasonable range ).
Too many people put the .358 in the same class as the "big & slows". That is a mistake, as the .358 is a completely capable round to 300 yards and even beyond. Let's be honest; most of us don't have any business firing at something farther away than that anyway.
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Jim in Colorado, I have been workin' on a load for the .358 win in my Savage....what powder are you using? I have the same Nosler 225 partition...my best groups so far have been with the Hornady FTX 200gr,,,but I want to hunt with the Nosler.
Thanks,JH
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DeerTracker if you like your marlin look for one in the 356
caliber or have your gun bored and cambered or have a new barrel
mounted and then go slay all of those animals you spoke of.
By the way the 356 was brought out by winnie to give the same starting out energy level as the 358 Good luck and good hunting. Cheers NC
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Jim in Colorado, I have been workin' on a load for the .358 win in my Savage....what powder are you using? I have the same Nosler 225 partition...my best groups so far have been with the Hornady FTX 200gr,,,but I want to hunt with the Nosler.
Thanks,JH Try TAC. It's the shizzle in .358 with 225's.
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One nice thing about the 35's you can load light cast pistol bullets in them, I did that with my old 358 Norma and used it all fall on rabbits and squirels. Talk about being able to shoot. After killing a 100 or so small game with you're rifle that big old deer is a chip shot.
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For light pistol bullets, try RL7. It is the shizzle for that. In fact, if one is willing to go above book max, I found that RL7 would drive 200's all the way up to 2640 fps from a 20" barrel.
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If anyone is interested, there is Remington 600 that
has been rechambered to 358 WIN on the Cabelas website.
The price isnt bad at all.
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now if Ruger will just do a 358RCM...
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The 358 has been a very good round for me and my kids. They have had good luck using it in our BLR on deer, dropping them at the shot which builds confidence, and I know they would not be under gunned using it on Elk either.
There are a lot of solutions to hunting the thick stuff, and I spend most of hunting season in thick cover. Th 358 win is a great choice, but then we are blessed with many many great choices in the American shooting world.
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I call it the 35 Whelen short! It would be ideal for Minnesota hunters who chase deer and black bear and moose. Nobody needs anything more for the short range shooting that the average city boy is capable of. If you are not much for tracking skills that big blood trail is downright handy IMO.  whelennut
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I need to try some TAC. Accurate powders were easily available locally and I developed some great 225 and 250gr loads with AA2520. In fact, my fastest and most accurate 225gr load is with a 225gr BT (only works in my model 70 sa's mag - not my model 7 which requires the 225 Sierra) and 2520.
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338 Marlin in a lever, 338 Ruger compact in a bolt.
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I was driving back to school today and along the river there is some really thick vegetation. Its all willows, aspen, and pine trees. There has to be monster whitetails down there and i have seen moose there too. Looks good for black bears and probably elk. I got to thinking that i dont have a rifle for thick brush/woods and the 358 Win came to mind. The only thing i have that would half way qualify is a marlin 336 30-30 but i would be interested in something bigger if i ever had to hunt the thick stuff. So tell me about the 358 Win. The pros, cons, and experiences with it. I just remembered the 338 Federal. Would the 338 Federal make more sense as a woods gun? Not trying to start an arguement here but just wanted some help on deciding which one to get if i ever get a dedicated woods gun. Ah yes, America. Where you can drive down the road looking at the scenery and when it changes, decide that's enough reason to need a new rifle. Gotta love it.
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Do not overlook the 356 Winchester Big Bore. The beefed up Model 94 won't take 358 Win. pressures but close enough that any game you shoot will not notice the difference. According to SAAMI specs, both 356 and 358 can be loaded to 52,000. I have both and load them accordingly. Never had any problems.
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358 STA It will shoot through almost anything.
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35 Whelen Short I likey that!
A T3 in 338 Federale with the barrel shortened to 21" would work well. As would a Hawkeye in the same cal.
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You want to get serious about a rifle for that thick stuff? Get a good used Remington 760 pump and stoke it with 200 grain Noslers. Those Noslers will penetrate way more than you probably need, shoot flat enough to hit an elk at 400 yards, and the 760 will shoot more than accurate enough for any big game hunting. Put a neat little 2 1/2 Leupold on it and you are good to go. Go with the heavy duplex, which is a lousy rock shooting reticle, but a great animal killing reticle in low light, think timber, and regardless of what some may say, it plenty of magnification to 400 yards.
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Those are some really good 2 cents, do you have a 760 these days Fred?
The two 760C's in 06 that I had shot incredibly well and I need to get another one someday. I already have 3 boxes of the old 200 Noz semi's ready to rock in it.
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