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I have shot a number of cape buffalo with the 338 Win. I used solids mostly but I have used the 300 gr. Woodleighs also..They kill buffalo as well as the 9.3s or the .375 H&H..If there is any difference I would say that a buff shot with a solid from a .338 Win will run another 25 to 50 yards further than he might if shot with a 375 H&H..and the .338 is the full equal of a 9.3x62 and that is no light praise...

I would have no hesitation to shoot more buffalo with the .338.

My favorite buff calibers are the .416 or 404 and I like the Woodleigh 450 gr. bullets and/or Northfork cup points. In a monolithic I like GS Cusoms HPs. For whatever thats worth.

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To the many hunters who have not seen a 300gn Woodleigh Weldcore in .338, take a look at your small finger, that's about it right there. It has a gob of lead on its nose and remember that Geoff McDonald tries all his bullets on game, usually buffalo, before he sells them to the public.

You don't see the tweaking in spec's and shape like many other bullets. The homework is done before the marketing begins.

Shouldn't be too long before the wonder stories start with the 240gn .308 .30/06 bullet.

FWIW, The 250gn Woodleigh is also a good .338 bullet.

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to the many hunters who have not seen 300grn .338. there is a good reason for it . there are guys that do this business as as an 24 hour occupation on a continent that is unforgiving. take a look at your small finger, the calibre that is as large as your small finger is not recommended by african ph's on dgame. please respect our life long opinion. we want you to have a good experience and more important to leave alive.


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Originally Posted by RyanScott
I just have absolutely no use for .338 as I have yet to find anything that can be done with a .338 that I can't do with a .375--and with less recoil.

Not speaking of cape... but 338 happens to be a favorite of mine... I doubt that I could have taken the caribou at the distance that I did, with a 375.
This is one of those conversations like elk rounds and such. As stated almost anything decent will do.. but in a crunch more ends up being better. If I were arming specifically for a cape, I sure wouldn't be thinking anything small like a 375....


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Not speaking of cape... but 338 happens to be a favorite of mine... I doubt that I could have taken the caribou at the distance that I did, with a 375.
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Not much difference in trajectory. I compared trajectories on Federal's web site. Comparing 250gr 338's to a 270gr 375 and using a 200yds zero, Federal shows only a .7", 8" and 3.2" differences at 300, 400, and 500yds. Going to the 225gr 338 and difference widen some, but then you could step down the 375H&H to 250 or 260grains for other than buff targets and the trajectory differences evaporate compared to the 225gr 338.

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Rost495, shot his Carribou at over 800 yards if memory serves



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802 to be exact.... one of the reasons I happen to like the particular diameter of .338... no flies on the 375 but its in no mans land to me... too big but not big enough.....


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Originally Posted by rost495
802 to be exact.... one of the reasons I happen to like the particular diameter of .338... no flies on the 375 but its in no mans land to me... too big but not big enough.....


I tend to agree with this. If you really, seriously HAD to use one rifle for literally everything I might very well choose a .375. However, I'd soooo much rather have a .300/.338 (actually I have a .340) and a .416.

The caveat would be if the .375 is as far up the ladder as you could shoot well. If that's the case far be it from me to say it's inadequate. It's far too proven a caliber to make such a silly statement. It just wouldn't be my personal preference.


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802 to be exact.... one of the reasons I happen to like the particular diameter of .338... no flies on the 375 but its in no mans land to me... too big but not big enough.....


I tend to agree with this. If you really, seriously HAD to use one rifle for literally everything I might very well choose a .375. However, I'd soooo much rather have a .300/.338 (actually I have a .340) and a .416.

The caveat would be if the .375 is as far up the ladder as you could shoot well. If that's the case far be it from me to say it's inadequate. It's far too proven a caliber to make such a silly statement. It just wouldn't be my personal preference.


I'm not sure I could see a caribou at 802yds, I know I couldn't shoot one. Damn, that's far, my range finder max's out at 600yds.

What you all do not like about the 375H&H is exactly what I do like. It is adequate or more for every animal in Africa except elephant, for which it is suitable, but light. It is plenty flat shooting for any distance at which I would shoot. It is the perfect second rifle for any African DG hunt.

Take Africa out of the picture and then the 338 makes a fine top end rifle for NA, though I think the 375 would do as well.

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Lots of comments by some that have not used the .338 on Buffalo or probably anything else for that matter based on their "asumptions"..It's a flat shooting son of a gun with a 210 Nosler at 3005 FPS, a 250 gr. Nosler at 2750 FPS and a 300 gr. Woodleigh at 2500 FPS..A 250 Nosler btw will shoot through a buffalo broadside almost every time and a 300 gr. Woodleigh will also, but the 300 gr. woodleigh PP will shoot them lengthwise.

I will state flat out that you cannot tell any difference in a 338 300 gr. Woodleigh PP bullet at 2500 FPS from a 300 gr. 375 bullet at 2500 FPS and a 100 to 200 FPS either way will not make any difference...I will add the 9.3x62 with a 300 gr. or 320 gr. Woodleigh to that same equasion..

If The 338 Win., 9.3x62, or .375 do not suit you and they are so close to equal that you can't tell much if any differnce in the field, then you best jump to the 40 calibers or larger.

If I had to hunt buffalo the rest of my life with a .338 Win. or 9.3x62 and 300 gr. bullets it would not be tragic or earth shaking, but it wouldn't be my choice either, I'd pick the 416 Remington as a matter of fact.

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There is more difference between the 338wm and the 30-06. .030" from 30-06 to 338wm. .037" between the 338wm and the 375's. Moreover, that difference in diameter is magnified in area.

Also, Federal lists the 250's at 2660fps or less, not 2750fps. I doubt that Federal loads the 338 down, or understates their load's performance. The 210's run 2830fps - not 3005, the 180's 3120.

The difference in trajectories is almost nothing between a 225 TSX and the 210 NP, at Federal's realisticaly achievable velocities, .3", .8" and 2" at 300, 400, 500yds, or 1/10th MOA, 1/5th MOA and 4/10's MOA. Impressively, the difference between the 210 and the 250 NP's is only .8", 1.8" and 3" at 300, 400, 500yds, or less than 1/4th MOA, 1/2 MOA and 6/10ths MOA. 200yd zero assumed for the differences noted above.

Except on the internet, MOST RIFLES AND SHOOTERS CAN'T ACHIEVE 1 MOA, AT 100YDS!

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So, if you hold an MOA in the field, and the rifle shoots within an MOA, each pretty rare except amoung shooters and rifles on the internet (most shooters I see at the range, even shooting off bags, can't determine how accurate their rifles are because they cannot shoot well enough to limit group dispersion to that caused by the rifle by eliminating shooter caused dispersion,) dispersion cuased by the rifle's and the shooter's imperfection is 5x and 3.3x the difference in drop between the 210gr NP and the 225 and 250gr NP's respecively, AT 500YDS!

Since dispersion caused by rifle and shooter imperfection will cause high as well as low hits, consider that the rifle, shooter downward dispersion at 500yds shooting the 225gr NP, is 2.5x the trajectory drop differential. 1.65x for the 250gr NP.

In the field, the shooter will never see the trajectory differential.

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Getting a .338 with the right 250 gr bullet close to 2900 fps isn't that tough. But if you want to try it, you'll have to do it on your own. 25" barrel, btw.


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Originally Posted by idahostalker
Befor i start and people start bashing, im going to say that im just curiouse about this and if i were to hunt cape buffaloe i would use a bigger gun than a 338.


How do you think a 338 win mag will do against a cape buffaloe? I know that a 375 is a pretty popular gun for cape buffaloe with barnes TSX and solids, but i was looking at barnes bullet selection and the weight of the 338 and 375 and theirs not a huge difference. You can go clear up to a 250 grain in both solids and TSX for the 338 and in the 375 you can go up to 300 grains. I was also looking at the Swift A-Frames and they go clear up to 275 grains in the 338. I know that the 375 will have far more punch than the 338 but it seems like the 338 has the potential. What do you think?


I was a back up on a hunt for a NW Red Buffalo in Cameroon, and I had a .338 WM with Failsafe bullets in my hands at the time. A frontal shot in the chest was taken with a .375 H & H with a 270 g solid that had no apparent effect other than to send the bull running across an open area for the long grass. I hit him with a 250 g Failsafe with a high shoulder shot and put him down on the spot. Now the Red buff aren't quite as big as the Southern Cape buff, but they are big enough for me to say a .338 will work, but it is not my first choice.


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JPK,
I don't really understand your point..I handload and have no trouble what so ever getting those velocities that I quoted.

I understand a wider cross section is a better stopper, but a 300 gr. bullet is a 300 gr. bullet and the .338 has the better sectional density thus better penetration than a .375 and that has to count too, but all that is anal tech, the facts are you can't tell the differnce betweent the two....

I would suggest that you have not used the .338 Win. on buffalo based on your post..I admit its not the ideal buffalo round, but that is not the issue here, the question was will it work and the answer is it will, and it works rather well IMO..Would I prefer a .375? probably but its not a big deal to me one way or the other..I would feel equally armed with a 338 Win., 9.3x62 or .375, albiet perhaps mentally the .375 would provide a modicum of comfort! smile. I would feel like I had a very definate edge over them all with a 416 Rem., Ruger or Rigby or a 404 Jefferys.

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Originally Posted by toltecgriz
Getting a .338 with the right 250 gr bullet close to 2900 fps isn't that tough. But if you want to try it, you'll have to do it on your own. 25" barrel, btw.


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A friend of mine killed 3 buff with 3 shots from his 338WM in Moz.

Load was the 250XFB in front of RE-22.


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Originally Posted by JPK


Except on the internet, MOST RIFLES AND SHOOTERS CAN'T ACHIEVE 1 MOA, AT 100YDS!

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This group was shot at 300 yards


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I agree that those Doubles won't do MOA at 100



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Nice targets.

In many many ways, this is a very funny thread. Classic, really... grin.

And I have killed one or two things, including a Cape buffalo, but I wouldn't argue this point for anything... whistle.

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