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Does anyone have any accurate loads using IMR 4350 in their .30-06? I bought a pound of it to try out and so far I haven't been able to get anything resembling a group. I've tried it with 150 grain Corelokts, 150 grain Hornady SP, 165 grain SST, and 180 grain Hornady BTSP. So far it looks like with this powder that I may as well throw rocks because it is just throwing the bullets all over the place. I have tried several loads for each bullet and it is horrible. After shooting those horrible groups, I fired several groups using my best handload so far (H414 and 150 grain Sierra ProHunters) and I still got the tiny groups that I had before so its not the gun or scope.
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All rifles are different, but my Sako '06 throws 168 TSX's into little bitty groups with 58 grs. of IMR 4350.
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A 4350 powder and a 165 spitzer in 30-06 is like PB&J. When I'm having trouble, first place I check is overall length for that particular bullet and load accordingly (assuming it is under the max length for that caliber, fits in the magazine, etc).
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I use 58.4 of 4350 in my 30-06 with 150 gr. Sierra Spitzer bullet. I also use 56.5 gr. with 165 gr. Nosler partition. It does a heck of a job.
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I had the same results my first couple of times out w/ this powder/cartridge combination. What I found (and experience since has confirmed) is that it burns much better with higher load densities.
If you use the "start" loads and work your way up but don't have good accuracy early on stick it out; it gets good the less open space there is in the case.
My rifle really likes 58 gr IMR-4350 under a 165 gr Sierra Game King HP, although it doesn't yeild as much velocity as RL-19 for me. Accuracy is definately good though.
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My standard 30/06 load is 58.5-58.8grs of IMR-4350, 165gr bullet and a WLR or 210M. I have used a variety of bullets and it always produces excellent accuracy.Rick.
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i load imr4350 with bullets heavier then 150 and 165 with that weight of bullet i have good luck with i4064 with 180 and up i use i4350 and seems to works better the heavier you get
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If an .06 will not shoot 57-58grs of IMR4350 and the 165gr Sierra/hornady or Nosler BT, then it's sick or just plain stupid.
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Never heard of such a malady. Speer 150 gr mag tips with 59 grains and CCI 200's Max or very close. And, 58 grains with 165 gr Speer SPBT's with CCI 200's, ditto on the max load. These loads work very well in two different rifles, My Ruger #1 RSI and my buddy's 700 ADL that was mine.
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For me, 57.0gr of IMR 4350 and the 165gr Hornady or Speer, and probably any other 165 grain bullet, works very well. To steal the line from O'Connor - if an '06 won't shoot 57 grains of 4350 with a 165, you need an excorsist (sp), not a gunsmith.
If it won't work with a 150gr bullet, perhaps you're not using enough powder. It's been my experience (however limited) that 150's need a max load of that powder before groups start to shrink - 59 grains or so.
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If an '06 wont shoot good with 57gr IMR4350 and a Hornady 165BT then it wont shoot with anything and you might as well melt it down i would guess.. but just noticed that has already been stated. anyway, IMR4895 is very good also and the '06 was originally designed with it. The load in my garand is 50gr IMR4895 with original M2 ball which is the original load. this same load is equally good with 150gr hornadys
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When I buy a new 30-06, I load up some ammo with 57grs of I4350 and 165gr bullets. Whatever brass; whatever primer. If the rifle doesn't shoot that combo well, I sell it.  You may find a powder that gives a bit more velocity or by switching from bullet to bullet, find one that's a bit more accurate but I have never owned a 30-06 that wouldn't deliver hunting accuracy (1-2"/100yds)with that formula. I just noticed that has been said about a dozen different ways. Sorry.
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Try using the seating depths in the Hornady manual, they actually work and it's a good starting point, you can probably seat them out further than that but I've always gotten decent accuracy right off the bat starting a new load with those depths.
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Every rifle has its own personalities so to speak. I used 56g under a 180g Partition and was well under AN INCH
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Ahhh. It just needs a 270 win barrel screwed on it.
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For me, 57.0gr of IMR 4350 and the 165gr Hornady or Speer, and probably any other 165 grain bullet, works very well. To steal the line from O'Connor - if an '06 won't shoot 57 grains of 4350 with a 165, you need an excorsist (sp), not a gunsmith.
Let's get a +1 on that. Does this rifle shoot any other loads well?
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Does anyone have any accurate loads using IMR 4350 in their .30-06? I bought a pound of it to try out and so far I haven't been able to get anything resembling a group. I've tried it with 150 grain Corelokts, 150 grain Hornady SP, 165 grain SST, and 180 grain Hornady BTSP. So far it looks like with this powder that I may as well throw rocks because it is just throwing the bullets all over the place. I have tried several loads for each bullet and it is horrible. After shooting those horrible groups, I fired several groups using my best handload so far (H414 and 150 grain Sierra ProHunters) and I still got the tiny groups that I had before so its not the gun or scope. Try starting at 54 grains, that's a good upper mid range load, try seating the 165gr SST at 3.230, I've had good accuracy with this load.
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While all rifles are different, IMR 4350 is my go to powder for all the 30-06s foe which I reload.
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I like to troubleshoot and post ideas and try to be the hero as well as anyone here, but this time I must admit I am completely clueless. I have never shot or heard of a 30-06 that is capable of shooting some loads well, but not with 4350 powder. That certainly must violate some major law of science, or something. Sorry, but I just can't help with this one. Good luck!
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All rifles are different, but my Sako '06 throws 168 TSX's into little bitty groups with 58 grs. of IMR 4350.
Kills chit dead too, for the "hitter, not grouper" crowd.. I'm getting a little nervous that you stole my reloading notes................ We seem to use alot of the same loads in several rifles. Got any good loads for 175 Partitions in the 7RM?  I've had 2, 30-06's that loved 59.0 H 4350 under a 168 TSX. The M700 shot them into nice little cloverleafs you could cover with a quarter. The M70 shoots them into an inch at 2900 ft/sec.
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