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Originally Posted by cal74
Haven't read through all the responses, but obviously see a lot of repetition in the responses given. Something I haven't scene mentioned is you have to compare the cartridges mentioned in a similar platform as the orginal 30-06 mentioned.

I've got 2 very light 7mm-08's that I really don't find any different to shoot than my 1 1/2-2 lbs heavier 30-06.



Man, your avatar is... hypnotic... grin

Anyway, that's not my experience. My 7-08 is pretty light (M700 Mountain Rifle) and it's a significant step down in recoil from my heavier 30-06. That's with 140's in the 7-08 and 165's in the '06. They have the same laminate stock, other than the action length. The barrel on the '06 is sporter-profile (heavier).

With 120's in the 7-08, it's a pretty BIG step down in recoil.

At least that's how I percieve it.



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250 savage or 257 Roberts


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Without reading every post here...

I'll put in a vote for the 25.06 Rem.

As a whitetail/mulie/pronghorn caliber I just don't think it gets much better. Some are as good, for sure...but not better. Superior to .243, IMHO, because of 110 to 120 gr. bullet options, and it outperforms any 6mm option, particularly at long range. Inherently accurate, too. And recoil is quite reasonable. Lots of factory ammo selection to work with over a good range of sizes. With the right bullets, it's a veritable laser out to 300 yds and beyond. I'd argue that there's nothing a 6mm, or even 257 Roberts, can do that a 25.06 can't do better...and for the same money.

If you're into hand loading for your 30.06, you'll have a good supply of brass to convert to 25.06, too.

FWIW, my two cents.


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Lotsa answers....I like 7/08,7x57 and 257 Roberts.The 270 does kick less but might not be far enough down the ladder to be meaningful to the OP.




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Man, your avatar is... hypnotic... grin



Glad you like it... smile




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6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


It's also the first one that comes to my mind. A real wolf in sheep's clothing!


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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Lotsa answers....I like 7/08,7x57 and 257 Roberts.The 270 does kick less but might not be far enough down the ladder to be meaningful to the OP.


Right.

.270, .308, 7mm-08, 7x57, all great calibers, no question.

But if one already has a 30.06, then what's the advantage?

Having watched enough whitetails and mulies over 20 years drop to a 25.06 like they were hit by lightning, whenever I pack my 300 WM into the woods for deer, can't help but feeling a tad over gunned. Indeed, the only reason I do use the big one for mulies around here is that, albeit highly unlikely, if I ever do happen to run into a griz with attitude, I don't want to be under gunned.

The 25.06 splits the difference between a .223 and a .30 cal just about perfectly. And if that bull elk shows up unexpectedly, given a clean shot, a 25.06 will take care of that business quite handily, too.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

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the most perfect round ever invented buy man for the true sports is the old and very reliable .308 winchester. there is no north american animal anywhere that cannaot be dispatched with one well placed bullet in 168gr boned core. and if your only hunting animals from elk and smaller (wt deer, muley, antelope, or pig) there really is no justificatiion for anything larger than a .308. anything larger is over kill ont he meat of an animal and overkill on your shoulder. remember if you really are a meat hunter, you need a bullet capable of reaching out to two hundred yards, MAX, and delivering enough energy to kill quikly with out creating a lot of "blood shot". as an ex pro- meat hunter/ poacher i have use almost every caliber to kill deer and other various game, and i ALWAYS come back to the .308, it does everything the.30-06 does, but with 1/3 less recoil. shoot straight.

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Two cartridges immediately came to mind when I read the OP's question. First was the 6.5 Swede, (obviously it came to mind for many) and the 6mm Remington.

I have a.260 on a short action and to tell you the truth, I wish I would have had a long action and just built a Swede. There is a ton of factory Swede ammo out there at reasonable prices. I doubt I would reload for it much if I had one.

I have been a long time 6mm Rem fan and continue to be. The 85 grain Sierra BTHP Gameking is my "Go To" bullet for this cartridge and I see no reason to change. From Jackrabbits and Coyotes to Mule Deer, that bullet drops them nicely.


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Originally Posted by wildswalker
The .243AI will do a LOT of killin'.........


The truth for sure! Pretty darn amazing what can do with the user friendly lil round isn't it

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Sir Springer;I was not disputing your choice of 25/06,another option; why I said lotsa choices...tough to mention them all! smile




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Bobin...

I don't know which is the tougher question: Picking the first caliber to go with? Or the second one to go along with it?

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Originally Posted by Oregon45
I've become acclimated to the recoil from my 30-06's, which isn't bad, but I'm thinking about building a rifle that would have near equal effectiveness on lighter game, but would be a meaningful step down in recoil. Any thoughts?

I know rifle design plays a large, if not determinative role, so assume that the rifle will have a wood stock of classic dimensions, with a Pachmayr decelerator pad.


I was considering this exact point last Summer, & I settled on a 7mm-08. After all was said & done, I found no appreciable difference in recoil between these 2 rifles when shooting 180 grain or smaller bullets in the '06, and 140's in the '08. If I step up to 220's in the '06, then I can notice a difference. Granted, I didn't compare "exact stock to exact stock", but the weight of the 2 rifles is very nearly equal.

I've come to the realization that my '06 fits me like a glove, and will do everything that I need it to do, with complete aplomb. Further, I've found that there's nothing my 7mm-08 rifle will do that my '06 won't. And that's why I now have a 7mm-08 rifle for sale in the Free Classifieds forum!

I do have a .243 that I perceive as a goodly step down in recoil from my '06, but I can't offer any opinions on the others in between: .244, 257 WBY or Rbts, .260, 6.5x_____, .270, 7mm________, etc, since I haven't shot any of those. I guess I've proven to myself that there's some credence in the notion of "cartridge spacing".

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So, fast-forward 2+ years, and the above-mentioned 7mm-08 is gone. Shortly thereafter, though, I came into a 7x57 with a much closer stock to the '06: Remmy Mountain Rifle to CDL. In this case, there's a definite step down in recoil, even when shooting 175 grain spire points out of the 7x57. These aren't the hottest loads out there, but I find the mountain rifle far more pleasant to shoot than the '06 CDL.

And now my notions about cartridge spacing are once again in doubt.

I think this means I need to buy more guns so I'll have more data to draw from.

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Generally, the recoil from a 270 win or 308 win is only slightly less than a 30-06, but we need to drop back to a 25-06 to achieve a meaningful step down in recoil and still have a flat shooting round.

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Originally Posted by sir_springer
Bobin...

I don't know which is the tougher question: Picking the first caliber to go with? Or the second one to go along with it?

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Yeah..,you're right!.....made all the harder because there are so many that do the same work,and there is so much ballistic overlap and redundancy smile




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Originally Posted by "corjack"
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.

+1

Probably due to the fact that it's what I hunt with. In all honesty, I think any non-uber mag in .257 or .264 will fit the bill perfectly.

6.5x55, .260 Remington, 257 Roberts, 25-06...


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