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Wow, until Folically_Challenged pointed it out I didn't realize someone had dredged up a 2+ year old thread...

Hopefully the OP has it all worked out by now. whistle


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Just read my old post:
"My wife's new gun will be a 25-06."

Turn's out she swiped my .270. 130's in that aren't that bad with a pachmayr pad. My 14 yr old son likes that gun too and never complains about recoil either.
So I bought myself a new .270 with a lefty thumbhole stock. Now my daughter is eyeing it . . . smile

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Originally Posted by corjack
6.5x55 is the first thing that comes to mind.


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The mild mannered 6.5s kill critters way past their paper ballistics at silly ranges. They do that with little fuss or recoil and anyone that can shoot a 243win, can shoot a 6.5x55 or 260Rem. wink


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Originally Posted by rt_con
I've noticed the 6.5X55 has a strong following here and on other sites.

And was thinking about one... But I don't reload and was concerned about availability and effectiveness of factory ammo.

I checked Midsouth and Natchez.. not many offerings. ???

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If you're feeding a 6.5x55, there is no better ammo than the offerings from Norma. A bit Pricey, but very accurate and very effective. I know Federal, remington, Winchester, and European ammo companies offer it too.


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I own or have owned almost all of the popular calibers listed so far. Almost everything I use for hunting is as light as I can make it. I would have to say the .300 Savage bolt action I have is the lightest recoiling rifle of the bunch, when using factory ammo. All the others are fine choices for deer, but recoil wise I would have to say the .300 Savage has the least. Someone mentioned the 7-30 waters. I have a spare barrel for one of my 99s in 7-30 Waters and it is most unimpressive, better off with a 30-30.

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Sellier and Bellot makes some excellent ammo for the Swede as well.

As you may be able to tell from my avatar...my vote is for the Swede. But I could just as easily support
260 Rem
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Originally Posted by dmsbandit
Originally Posted by rt_con
I've noticed the 6.5X55 has a strong following here and on other sites.

And was thinking about one... But I don't reload and was concerned about availability and effectiveness of factory ammo.

I checked Midsouth and Natchez.. not many offerings. ???

Rob


If you're feeding a 6.5x55, there is no better ammo than the offerings from Norma. A bit Pricey, but very accurate and very effective. I know Federal, remington, Winchester, and European ammo companies offer it too.


I think it was Steelhead (among others) that has reported excellent results on deer from the Norma 156gr Oryx loads (which is a bonded bullet).

I know they work very well on moose -- I have skinned several shot with this bullet by some other guys in my hunting group.

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All the recovered Oryx bullets that I have seen look like the above picture from Norma's website, and in my opinion, seem to perform much like the bonded Woodleigh bullets (and that is a good thing!).

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JMHO on the matter but if I wanted to make a meaningful step down in recoil(I'll exclude the 270 from the conversation because some feel it really does not kick that much less than an 06) and still stay with what I consider to be a true all-around BG cartridge;yet still have most of what a 30/06 offers,it would have to be a 7x57 and for me there really would be no second choice.

The cartridge has a well earned reputation on several continents as a thoroughly reliable killer of BG and everything from dik-dik to elephant.I would not care to take it to those extremes but there is little doubt you could if so inclined.

If you look careful-like, you see that 140 7mm bullets are driven from the 7x57 at about the same velocities as 165 bullets from a 30/06,yet with substantially lighter powder charges,resulting in less recoil,even from lighter rifles.This correlation extends clear up and down through all bullet weights for the 30/06 and 7x57,with a 120 gr 7mm doing what a 159 gr 30 does,and 160 gr 7mm's behaving a great deal like a 30/06 180.

With todays bullet technology there is little a guy could do with a 165 30/06 that he could not do with a 140 7x57.

And if he is need of long heavy weights,he can jump to 175's for much the same work he would do with 220 gr 30/06 load.

Yes a guy could jump on down to the 6.5's and 25's but we give up bullet weight and frontal area for the same trajectory over normal game ranges;and while bullet technology helps these calibers,I don't feel the jump in performance is a quantum leap by any stretch,not enough for me to elevate a 25 cal into the realm of "all-round BG caliber" and mentioned in the same breath with the great 30/06. I feel the need to draw the line in the sand somewhere smile

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Bob I agree about the line in the sand, a 25-06 in my humble opinion is not an "all-around BG caliber" but for mule deer and antelope it is dependably adequate.

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SD: Absolutely!

I guess what I am talking about(to paraphrase)is a cartridge that is a solid step down in recoil from a 30/06,but which does exactly ,precisely, the same jobs ;a true "all-rounder" for the guy who wants to hunt everything but does not want to put up with any more recoil than necessary.Everything from pronghorn to Alaskan Yukon moose and the between stuff along the way;or the general run of plains game in Africa.

The 7x57 has been filling that role for a century...to waste time looking for a better mousetrap ranks among the world's most frivolous pursuits.

Notwithstanding their virtues(I'm a fan!)no 25 fills that niche IMHO. smile




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Originally Posted by StrayDog
Bob I agree about the line in the sand, a 25-06 in my humble opinion is not an "all-around BG caliber" but for mule deer and antelope it is dependably adequate.


In no way trying to take this thread too far off course but what BG have you and do you hunt on a regular basis that you're not comfy with the 25/06 on?

Personally 4 me, I'm more than comfy with a 117 Nozler out of it @ 3100 for all NA BG with the exception of Brownies (which I may never hunt anyway so it doesn't count for me...grin)

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7X57 is one of the most enjoyable big game rounds that I have ever fried. The 7X57 is loaded to moderate pressures and is not obnoxiuos in the recoil or the muzzle blast departments. A 5 to 6 pound 7X57 is a joy to tote and shoot



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... and given a proper bullet, softspoken, but deadly.



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Have to endorse the 300 Savage. I'm 14 deer for 14 shots with mine over the last few years, and I can shoot it at the range all day long without feeling sore in the morning.

My 13 year old doesn't mind it either. Took his first deer this year with it.

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Here's my experience- I have used the 270 and 30/06 for about 50 years for most of my hunting- I have also used the 7/08 and a few other cartridges.
The 243 is the first cartridge that I have used that is a SIGNIFICANT step down from the 06 based cartridges. I have not used the 25 caliber cartridges, (other than the 25/06, which I have used a fair amount)but think that they would be almost as significant step down with just a little more thump.
The 25/06 is merely a 270 that took a week off from working out- what one does, the other can do with about the same effort.
The 243 recoils significantly less, destroys less meat,is cheaper to load for than the 06 based rounds. Ammo and brass is readily available which is important to me. Another factor is that it is available in mny new and used rifles. Another factor is good resale value. I have examined the carcasses of several animals rendered edible by the 100 grain Hornady bullet in the 243 , and based on those wound channels, would not hesitate to poke an elk with one, and certainly not deer.
Another option is to pair a Ballistic Tip and Partition of the same weight and have a great vamint/deer gun in the same package.
Just my experiences

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Fred I love your comment about the 25/06 and will be stealing it shortly..

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