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I hate statistics. Excel & SAS are making my eyes cross...

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I personally have had 6 Kimbers that shot great out of the box, maybe that will help skew the statistics back to where they should be. Most are superb and the few that aren't are being taken well care of by customer service. Right now they are probably the best American Firearms for overall quality, performance, price and customer service........DJ


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Last year I was on a quest to buy a Kimber 84. I was determined to buy one, with money in hand. 4 of the 5 that I handled had the forend warped enough to touch the barrel on one side, and very rough moving bolts. The one that was nice was a Super America (Very Beautiful & Big $$$!)

These stats may be skewed, but they were enough to cure my itch.

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av- Thought you might appreciate that...

BTW, my great-grand uncle was the starting QB at A&M for two years. He died in a car crash trying to get to an A&M vs. Oklahoma game.

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I bought a Kimber 84M and have not had a chance to shoot it but the stock was closer to the barrel on one side. I sent it to Kimber and it was returned with a nicer stock with a good amount of fiddleback in it. It is a .260 and I will be shooting it soon. If it ain't perfect out of the box they fix it QUICK with no bitching about it, they are good enough for me.

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I have bought four new Kimber CF rifles in the last 14 months. The main reason is that I wanted rifles lighter than the Featherweights that used to satisfy me.

The first was a 260 Classic and the dealer ordered it for me and I did not like the stock. It was sent back and I got a very nice stock. It's best however to see the rifle first as dealers don't like to send stuff back. I reported this rifle as one of the most accurate sporters I had ever seen. At that time I was using it as a walking varminter with the 95 gr VMax. Since then I tried to turn it into a woods rifle for deer and it has not shot better than 1.0 to 1.25 MOA. While I know this is adequate it's not all that interesting. I am working hard on this ordinary accuracy but so far I have not figured it out.

The next one is a 7mm-08 Classic that was pick off the shelf in a hurry as the 260 went back for the stock change. It shot about 1.25 MOA also out of the box and as it was only weeks from opening day I slapped a sling on in and went hunting as were I use it the shots average around 60 yds. When the season was over I noticed that the QD sling swivels had buggered up the stock as the studs are counterbored into the stock. I drove this rifle down to Yonkers as it's close by and they put a new stock on. I asked for one with black streaks in it to match the very nice 260 stock and they gave me what I wanted! The ejection on this one was iffy and that was corrected also all no charge.
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While the 7mm-08 was there I left the 260 also and had Kimber install the new three position safeties on each. They charge $75 each for this and I like the feature.

I discovered that while the windage screws on the 7mm-08 seemed to be tight one did turn and since then the rifle has been under 1 MOA for up to three shots! I have replaced the mounts since then with Burris Signature Zee rings.

A 243 84M Kimber Montana was purchased last spring as a walking varminter. This rifle was perfect and remains perfect since then. It will put the first two shots very close to each other at 200 yds. Every load fired in it has been accurate. I am using the 58 gr VMax at 3750 as I can see the bullet hit with this load. What a pleasure getting a gun out of the box and then just hitting stuff with it.

Last in is the Kimber 8400 Montana in 270 WSM. This rifle has become a favorite as it's lighter than a M70 Featherweight and yet has real long range ablity. Both the Montana's came thru with the three position safety.

Some dealers will discount the Kimbers and others ask full or almost full retail. If one goes prepared and likes the stock (if it''s a Classic) then make an offer of $775 without the mounts. You don't want the factory bases and rings anyway. At the moment the Talley's are the only other game in town for the 84M's.

A 84M Montana should go for $900 or less with the factory mounts. A 8400 Montana was sold to me retail for $1000 in the height of the backorders.

Kimber took steps to upgrade their manufacturing a couple of years ago. They are still not always 100% perfect but it's an excellent design with a market niche that compares to rifles costing far more. When one looks at the carbon fiber/Kevlar stock, Decelrator pad, pillars, free floating, CRF, superb triggers, nice chambers and barrels all made in the USA the value is there what with the backup at the factory.


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Don- Have you weighed your two Montana's and if so how much for each?

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The 8400 Montana weighs 7.5 lbs with a 3-9 Conquest and Burris Signatures. This calculates down to 6.3 lbs sans scope or mounts.

The 84M Montana weighs 6.5 lbs with a Leu 4.5-14 Tac with lens covers and Talley mounts. This estimates at a weight of 5.4 lbs sans scope.


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Savage, When you handload for your 7mm-08 are you able to seat the bullets to reach the lands. If not how far away are you. In my 84M I can't even get close to the lands given the length of the mag box. Some lengths to reach the lands are as follows for mine
1. 120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip 2.933
2. 130gr Barnes XBT 2.934
3. 140gr Barnes XBT 2.933
4. 139gr Hornady SST 2.932
5. 154gr Hornady SP 2.895

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FZY,

I expect that my 7mm-08 is the same as yours. That's a problem with the 84M's in the 260 also. I think that the lands can be reached in the 243 however.

The cause is the short magazine box that will allow a COL of about 2.825" at best. I wish it were longer too but that's it.

The 8400 in 270 WSM has a long box thats about 3.05" and the standard COL of that cartridge is 2.86". Most bullets will reach the lands at about 2.9" or a little more.

You make a good point and I might experiment with my 260 to see if single loaded rounds that reach the lands shoot better. I must have a thousand shots thru that one and it may have worn some. Have you done so?


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Savage,

No I have not done that yet. That is the plan for this spring. Plan on trying some 120 TSX.
You got me thinking... wonder if you could have a 8400 mag box fitted to an 84M.

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FZY,

You got me thinking too. Not the WSM box as that's so wide and for another action. First prove that a bullet you like will shoot better single shot. Then take the next step on the magazine box.

Keep in mind that Hornady spire point type bullets reach the lands easier.


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Thanks! I couldn't find the bare rifle numbers on their website.

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"You don't want the factory bases and rings anyway. At the moment the Talley's are the only other game in town for the 84M's."

Not entirely so. I emailed George Miller at Conetrol and he has the Conetrol setup with the 8-40 base screws in stock. On those little rifles that would be my choice although they are more expensive.

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I've got sets of Talley low and medium Lightweights for 84M's if anyone wants to try em..........DJ


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I can't stand the thought of aluminum on the wood stock Kimbers. On the Montana they'd be the cats meow. I may be strange.....

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"May"?...............(grin)


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Sakoluver & DJ,

Thanks for the heads up on what mounts are available. I have enough for now.


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Least I admit it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Well...at least you don't have the corner on that market..................


Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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