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I've been asked this question a bunch, pick one caliber, bigger than 22 but no magnums, no thrills chills, cooked up loads, little recoil and very accurate and could a deer at 200 yards??? Out of the box, no custom jobs here, just plain jane, what would be you choice and why???
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6mm Rem Just because it works.
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250 Savage, Accurate, mild, and gets the job done.
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243/6mm/250-3000 wiould all work well.
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Another "aye" vote for the good old .270 Win.
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Ahhh the .270 before it ate its wheaties 
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Ditto.....no explanation required.....just 80+ years of empirical data.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The tribe has spoken.......270 
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The neutered .270 is getting quite a few votes of confidence.
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Another 25 vote. Uh-oh Podunk, better make a 270 comment! Hurry man! 
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200 yards and under?
257 Roberts.
I 'spose a 270 might work as well.
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If your trying to keep the recoil down, the 243, 6mm or 250 savage is the way to go
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6.5x55. Elegantly understated and just plain kills. No roar, no recoil, inherent accuracy out the wazoo.
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I don't worry about the cartridge so much as I worry about the chosen deer to show predictably at 200 yards..... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Now you KNOW it has to be the 25-06.
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Sorry, shoulda said .275 Rigby
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Dats an elephant gun!  ...My vote is for the .243...since I can't vote for .22 centerfires....  Ingwe
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First vote for a short action I believe..
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if recoil is an issue at all, the 243 would get my vote, shooting any decent 95/100gr bullet.
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Nope...I think Im about the fourth... 6mm/243/250 Sav beat me to it... But hey, who cares??? Just so long as the .270 mud puddle is stirred...  Ingwe
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Never shot a deer with one, but a 6PPC or 6 BR looks 200 yard capable; screw it, a 6-250!
I know one dude who pegged one through the melon at 400 paces with his faster twisted BR.....
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Youre right just saw the 6mm and 250 savage votes, I was too busy dinging the 25-06. Im still happy if a .270 imitater wins:)
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Actually the 25-06 and the .270 are both good choices.... But you guys already knew that....  Ingwe
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Actually the 25-06 and the .270 are both good choices.... But you guys already knew that.... Ingwe That's one of the things I love about you. Not everybody can afford a 25-06, and you always try to make the 270 guys feel normal.
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and you always try to make the 270 guys feel normal. Pat....they are already "challenged" enough...and they don't handle pity well...... Ingwe
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You guys... we understand that everyone cant have good sense, if not there wouldnt be any .270s to be had. Thanks for liking the other stuff so the good stuff stays available.
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Nobody mentioned a .260....
I'll bet it would kill deer...
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This really does suck without 22's....
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No kidding..... How about that new 45 gr. sp in a .204 Dober was asking about?? Thats not a .22..... Ingwe
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Am more interested in this 33 gr. TSX talk; and the 204.
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Im surprised there havent been more representatives of the .243 crowd either.
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Am more interested in this 33 gr. TSX talk; and the 204. Wouldnt that be skookum, especially for up close DRT shooting in populated areas.... Ingwe
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Maybe I could land some "bowhunting" ground...IF we actually had a rifle season here.
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My pard has a super-light 84M Varmint. I'm wondering too about the 204 and the 45 Horn....but with pigs.
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If you could land some bowhunting ground, I would think a 33 gr. TSX would drill a splendid "pilot" hole for an arrow... I'm just sayin..... Ingwe
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At this stage, for deer, where does one go for under .224 bores?
Sure ain't here with our antlerless rifle season.
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Nobody mentioned a .260....
I'll bet it would kill deer...
Ingwe It probably would but a 257 Roberts does it with such more Class, or so I've been told.....(grin)
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there are a lot of good picks between the 6mm and 6.5 mm realm..
my first pick is the 260 Rem....but like the 6mm Rem, the 257 Roberts, 250 Savage...all of these cartridges are not only good to 200 yds, but are fine out to 400 yds in the hands of a good rifleman..
I'd tend to lean toward short action myself..
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Unless things have changed recently, Texas law says that "centerfires" are legal for whitetails.
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Call me boring, but I'm a sucker for the 270 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, 7x57, and 280 Remington.
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.375 Ruger. Don't have a belt so it's not a magnum.
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I would think a .300Savage with corlokt or nbt would be pretty efficient at that range and under.
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.257 Bob...6.5x55....250 Savage....6.5x57....7x57.....25-06
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Call me boring, but I'm a sucker for the 270 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, 7x57, and 280 Remington.
That about sums it up........next!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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If you're looking for a light recoiling, reliable deer killer up to 200 yards, while the .270 Winchester is undeniably a performer and always will be, there are better options specifically regarding the recoil department.
A .243 or a .250 Savage gets my vote for sure given the parameters in the OP's post...
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agreed the 270 is wonderful, then if your recoil sensitive a .243, 6mm Rem, 257 Roberts, 250 Savage, 260 rem.
I have both 270 and Roberts, the 270 usually stays home.
I cannot remember who made this comment maybe John Barnes...the 243 is more Varmint-Deer and the 257 roberts is more Deer-Varmint or something to that effect. If you reload the Roberts all the way.
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Best caliber to 200 yards...why every one knows it's "a plasma rifle in the 40 megawatt range", of course. Otherwise the others listed (especially the 6.5 Swede) will do. Regards, Homesteader.
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Pick your favorite bore diameter from .224" to .35", pick your favorite parent case from the .308/.30-06, x55/x57Mauser, and .250/.300 Savage options, load a good bullet, and you're done.
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I don't worry about the cartridge so much as I worry about the chosen deer to show predictably at 200 yards..... There's that too..... If you put on your camo undershorts before you go out you're gonna have a good day.
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.243 "cause it meets all the OP requirements & it just works.
Lots of good factory ammunition available now, for those who don't handload. Take your pick from the plain to the premiums.
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I've been asked this question a bunch, pick one caliber, bigger than 22 but no magnums, no thrills chills, cooked up loads, little recoil and very accurate and could a deer at 200 yards??? Out of the box, no custom jobs here, just plain jane, what would be you choice and why???
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A VERY BIG spectrum to choose from. But since you mentioned "little recoil" I'd say.... 30-30 (can be VERY accurate) .243 .257 bob 7-08 308 to name a few The rifle you choose would be more important. If you asked me to pick only one it would be a 7mm-08 or .308 as there are tons of factory rifles chambered in these two. Although, right now I'm in the market for a Ruger Ultra Light in .257 Roberts.. CLB
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A 6mm would seem to fit your criteria very nicely. Low recoil, lower noise level, should be easy to find an out of the box shooter.
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.243 "cause it meets all the OP requirements & it just works.
Lots of good factory ammunition available now, for those who don't handload. Take your pick from the plain to the premiums.
Paul. + one..... but I'd rather run my .270.....
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I don't worry about the cartridge so much as I worry about the chosen deer to show predictably at 200 yards..... There's that too..... If you put on your camo undershorts before you go out you're gonna have a good day. LOL!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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There's the 7-08 and then there's the rest.
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The first cartridge that popped into my head with your question was .243 Winchester.
In truth, there are loads that could fit your criteria.
6.5x55
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25-06
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The question was what small caliber to use- not what is your favorite chambering. Who thinks a thirty cal or even a 270 is small for deer? To the OP I have the 6mm, 260 and 270 plus others and I believe the 6mm (or similar .243) is a very apt response if looking for a "small' meaning not big, meaning very low recoiling yet effective, deer round out to 200+ yds. Tons of good bullets for them and the more I use other chamberings the less I see the need to.
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Lightweight .257 'bob...classy, effective and easy to use well.
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Ahhh the .270 before it ate its wheaties ...and got fat. Well, I'd vote .25-06, but since the range is limited to 200yds, it's complete overkill. So my vote is: ![[Linked Image]](http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn21/WadeSamuelson/00a682ed.jpg)
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Waders gets and A+ for showing all the work on this homework assignment. - Oh I vote 7-08 Ahhh the .270 before it ate its wheaties ...and got fat. Well, I'd vote .25-06, but since the range is limited to 200yds, it's complete overkill. So my vote is:
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I'd have to agree. But he didn't tell us about the rifle that shot that sweet group.
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I'd have to agree. But he didn't tell us about the rifle that shot that sweet group. A completely factory Rem 722 with a Leupy Fixed 4x scope.
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at 200 yds, I could reliably kill deer with a 22 Hornet.
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at 200 yds, I could reliably kill deer with a 22 Hornet.
This thread is nonsense. Good for you. Glad you are so much smarter than the rest of us. Perhaps you should find another forum, more apropos for your superior intelligence.
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at 200 yds, I could reliably kill deer with a 22 Hornet.
This thread is nonsense. Good for you. Glad you are so much smarter thatn the rest of us. Perhaps you should find another forum, more apropos for your superior intelligence. Ditto that. What an arrogant SOB.
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I'd have to agree. But he didn't tell us about the rifle that shot that sweet group. A completely factory Rem 722 with a Leupy Fixed 4x scope. It would seem to be a keeper....
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.25-06 Not far behind my .257 Weatherby but you said no mags.
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This question practically screams "Swede"! Accurate, light -recoiling, the 6.5 X 55 is a beautiful thing.
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If I could find a good bolt gun for it, the 6.8mm SPC would seem to fit your bill. Very mild recoil and 200yrds is about it limit for deer hunting.
The sad point is that I only see it on the AR type rifle and now Ruger is making their ranch rifle in it also. But I would want a bolt gun. But if you are happy with a semi auto the 6.8 SPC seems like just the ticket.
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Either 6.5x55 or 7x57 are my picks, though both work well way beyond 200 yards. More power is not needed for deer. Talk about empirical evidence, the 7x57 has been working like a champ since 1892 (IIRC). That's 118 years!
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6mm Rem Just because it works. That or a 243 Win, same reason.
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Am more interested in this 33 gr. TSX talk; and the 204. Wouldnt that be skookum, especially for up close DRT shooting in populated areas.... Ingwe The 33 grain TSX will WAY OVERPENETRATE on deer. BMT
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The question was what small caliber to use- not what is your favorite chambering. Who thinks a thirty cal or even a 270 is small for deer? To the OP I have the 6mm, 260 and 270 plus others and I believe the 6mm (or similar .243) is a very apt response if looking for a "small' meaning not big, meaning very low recoiling yet effective, deer round out to 200+ yds. Tons of good bullets for them and the more I use other chamberings the less I see the need to. Well of course the typical 270win loony will always overlook any and all stipulations that would exclude it. With that said the only choice would be 6mmREM if ya reload or 243win if ya don't.
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OP didn't specify "small". I've been asked this question a bunch, pick one caliber, bigger than 22 but no magnums, no thrills chills, cooked up loads, little recoil and very accurate and could a deer at 200 yards??? Out of the box, no custom jobs here, just plain jane, what would be you choice and why??? As much as I like some of the mentioned cartridges in this thread (270Win, 257Rob, 7x57. I own them), I think the 308 with a strong lightweight bullet would be a good choice as well. .
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A swede or 260 is just about perfection for this IMO. I`d let the rifle decide which chambering.
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The title of the thread is " Best Small Caliber Deer Rifle at 200 yards"
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The 6.8mm SPC is a great idea, but... I'd vote Ruger Ultralight .270, with a 6X Leupold, loaded with Remington Managed Recoil. Pop-Nudge-Flop. But if a deer shows up at like 205 yards: you could perform a Select Load Drill, slip a full-power 130 in and be confident you could make the shot!
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'Nother vote for the .257 Roberts, in a Ruger Ultra light or Kimber Montana.
My present scoped 200/300 yard deer rifle is a Ruger Compact in 7mm-08.
Seems like most of the time anymore, I hunt short range deer with an old (1936) Winchester 94 in 30-30.
Always figured the 270 and 25-06 were more for open range deer hunting, like Eastern Oregon.
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The title of the thread is " Best Small Caliber Deer Rifle at 200 yards" So it does. I stand corrected. .
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For 200 yard Deer shots, my best choices would be, a 300 Savage, a 7x57 and a 7-08.
Bullet choice is more important than caliber. I'd go with Nosler Partitions for all of the above rifles.
YMMV however.
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6.5X55mm.....Why?..... the "numbers" say that sighted in at 2.5" high at 100 yards is dead on at 200 yards at around 2100fps and 1500ft lbs. using a 140 grain factory load.
My only experience with this caliber is under 100 yards, and have had excellent results.
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243 win, 6mm rem, 250 savage, 7mm-08. 257 roberts and 6.5 swede should work too I would think.
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6.5X55mm.....Why?..... the "numbers" say that sighted in at 2.5" high at 100 yards is dead on at 200 yards at around 2100fps and 1500ft lbs. using a 140 grain factory load.
My only experience with this caliber is under 100 yards, and have had excellent results. It's a humdinger at 200 with at 140 gr. Hornady or Sierra.
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Of the factory rounds 260/6.5 Swede is an easy choice. But they're good for quite a bit further than 200 yards. For rounds closer to a 200 yard max, since I like specialty pistols I would go with an XP-100 in 6.5mmBR or a 14" Contender in 7x30 Waters.
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So, where does small caliber end and medium caliber begin?
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Ditto.....no explanation required.....just 80+ years of empirical data.
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7x57mm w/a 175 gn speer gs and 49 gns of imr-4350 gets it done in spades for me.
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My son and I typically hunt mule deer with his 6mm Rem and my .25-06 Rem. They're both easy-shooting, accurate and deadly. No muss, no fuss, just fill the tags.
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So, where does small caliber end and medium caliber begin? I tend to think the split is somewhere between 6.5mm and 7/mm. 6.5mm and below being "small" and 7mm and above being "medium."
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Whers the .270 fall then?
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At 700 yards maybe.... I was asking the poster that said 6.5mm and under is small and 7 mm and over is medium.
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Whers the .270 fall then? The true 7mm...
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225 yards and under 257 Roberts, 30-30
225 and beyond 270,30-06
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Whers the .270 fall then? The true 7mm... Now we're clear.
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What a question. There is more small calibers that are excellant 200 yarders for deer than you can imagine.But the 243 is probably the most popular with its mild recoil for beginners to prevent the flinch factor from developing.
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I have a 223AI, 243AI, 25-284, and 25-06AI in my safe that I would consider to be a "small caliber deer rifle". I consider my .277's and .284's as big game rifles.
Out of my four "small caliber deer rifles", I'll have to say that my 25-284 would get the nod, if I just kept one.
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So, where does small caliber end and medium caliber begin? I tend to think the split is somewhere between 6.5mm and 7/mm. 6.5mm and below being "small" and 7mm and above being "medium." I would put the change between 25 and 6.5. There is a large jump in max. bullet weight there-120 to 160. I think a cartridge that can use a 160 grain bullet is a medium deer+ cartridge. Bruce
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I use a 7x57 or a 7x08 with 120's or 140's with no issues. Low recoil and kills them dead.
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I vote for the .243 Improved - 6mm Rem. No stopping at 200 either.
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CMG, I gotta say, I am with you on this. MY pick is the 6mm Remington, as well.
The .243 is a great cartridge and is as common as dirt.I can't help having an aversion to hunting with the same thing everyone else under the sun has, though.
I love the .257 Roberts, but since it is more or less at it's best with a 100 grain bullet, I can't see any reason not to shoot a skinnier bullet that weighs the same.
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Since you mentioned "out of the box" rifles, I'll say 25-06.
Why? you ask. 200 yards ain't that big of a deal so most will get the job done. The 25-06 with 120's is pretty darn good!
cartridges of .25 cal are a minimum standard in my mind for general use.
For me, I'll be running a 6.5-06 as my small cartridge option.
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"I love the .257 Roberts, but since it is more or less at it's best with a 100 grain bullet" CT: I will quibble with that ballistic gack, by adding my own. Given a 200yd max, I'll take a 117gr RN bullet from the Bob over any 6mm.
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Throw my vote on the .257 roberts. 120 grain partitions, 43 grains of H414. One of my favorite recipes for making things dead.
When I was doing a lot of range days with the local hunters ed classes, the small kids especially seemed to handle the .257 with remington factory 117 grain roundnose ammo better than they did the .243 with factory 100 grain stuff. Same brands of rifles so I don't think weight was a factor. I think the lower pressure, thus less sharp "boom", affected them less.
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"I've been asked this question a bunch, pick one caliber, bigger than 22 but no magnums, no thrills chills, cooked up loads, little recoil and very accurate and could a deer at 200 yards??? Out of the box, no custom jobs here, just plain jane, what would be you choice and why???"
I am really surprized the 30/30 did not come up more often in this. Those Leverevolution 160 gr. FTX's fly pretty flat and should do the damage to your 200yd and in specs. They shoot well out of both my Marlin 336 and my Winchester 94. Pick up a handy and accurate Marlin 336 and go hunt. Plain old 30/30's have been killing deer inside those specs and beyond for over 100 years.
Not a levergun guy? Then the standard .6mm/.243, .257, .260, and of course the .275 Rigby would all work with factory ammo and in any good bolt action.
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Probably the 243, but 257 gets my vote! My .02 worth!
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Maybe not so small.. But I'd say don't forget the. 35 Rem...Lite recoil, good factory ammo. Slays deer with no fuss.
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Tom, I know you're a big guy, but how do you figure .308 as a small calibre ?
To the OP, I take the .243 as perfectly suited "to my needs", in this scenario.
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No question about it...got to be the .243 Win. with 90 or 100 gr. bullets. My wife has even killed elk with 105 gr. Speers in her .243.
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Going to load some TSX in that weight soon for a 6mm Rem I've got.
Any good starting points you might have to share Larry? The gun has always been partial to h4350.
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Going to load some TSX in that weight soon for a 6mm Rem I've got.
Any good starting points you might have to share Larry? The gun has always been partial to h4350.
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We shot the 85 TSX out of my wife's .243, the season before last. As noted on the last page, we opted for the 95 grain Fusions last year.
We are "meat hunters" only (broadside boiler room only) & the only concern we had with the TSX was the lack of a decent blood trail. My wife will not shoot bone, it's just how she was bought up, so we opted for the Fusions last year, particularly as there was no, or very little snow, to make trailing a little easier "on me" !!
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In 243AI and 6mm,I consider the 85/87's a place to start looking at '19/'22,as opposed to '15............
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At least it's the 308 necked in the right direction. Scenar's make it viable,but the .243" 105A-Max rates building a rifle around and is cheaper to boot............
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The one you can hit something with at 200 would get my vote.
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At least it's the 308 necked in the right direction. Scenar's make it viable,but the .243" 105A-Max rates building a rifle around and is cheaper to boot............ Agreed, but you could also buy an "off the shelf", fast twisted, to get the same results. This would probably save enough for decent glass, over a "roll your own". Paul.
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The 105 shines brightly in a Remmie Factory tube.
Nawwwwwww...brighter than that.........
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Cheers, what's it twisted at ?
My wife's got a Savage with 1:9.25".
Shoots 85 TSX, 95 Fusions & 100 grain Partitions really well, under a minute for me & "minute of deer" for her. Have not tried to 105's.
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What's a .243 700 factory tube twisted
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My 1-10" 6mmAI will handle the 105,but 9" is more better...........
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Thx
Bettin they don't use the term CH when sitting in board meetings 4 some reason or another..grin
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I've not had the 1/10 on my 6/06 take any liking at all with the 105-107's or any of the heavier Burgers. It's flirted with liking the 105 AM but when it comes down to it it just won't fly in it.
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Dober, is it because of the extra length of the Bergers ?
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9" is where it's at and I'd never build a 6mm that wasn't...irregardless of it's capacity.
The 10" Shilen was a used score I couldn't pass,due to pricing..........
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Length determines minimum twist rate...not weight.............
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Roger that, but the Bergers are longer, right ?
I've no experience with them.
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Roger the length(and the weight too).
The 105's terminal affects,slams the door on them.............
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When I do a retube on it it'll be 9 as well. Any chance you've tried the 90 Scenars?
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I've not 90'd and likely won't..............
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If I could find a good bolt gun for it, the 6.8mm SPC would seem to fit your bill. Very mild recoil and 200yrds is about it limit for deer hunting.
The sad point is that I only see it on the AR type rifle and now Ruger is making their ranch rifle in it also. But I would want a bolt gun. But if you are happy with a semi auto the 6.8 SPC seems like just the ticket. Ruger Model 77. "Compact" iteration. http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeCompact/models.html
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My .243 & 7-08 seems to kill fine. So, my vote goes to either one.
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Another vote for the 25-06.
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I've never had a "bad" Ruger,but light ain't their longsuit...especially in this day and age.
The Ti and Montucky were/are tools that much changed over the counter Excellence............
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If in a pinch,to use as a parent in FF'ing 25-06AI perhaps............
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Of course, I tottally forgot that an AI cartridge is necessary to take game, conventional cartridges are now obsolete. Sorry for my error.
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Of course, I tottally forgot that an AI cartridge is necessary to take game, conventional cartridges are now obsolete. Sorry for my error. A modest barreled 25-06AI scooting 100's to nearly 3600fps,will do some nice things on Critters. Adding taper and reducing capacity,do not help downrange performance............
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And a standard .270 win pushing 110's upward of 3300 does just fine in my book. Not terribly concerned with taper or capacity, just dead critters.
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A .277 projectile does have its place. A 85 gr. TSX or 95 gr. TTSX from a 6.8 AR is a beautiful thing.
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And a standard .270 win pushing 110's upward of 3300 does just fine in my book. Not terribly concerned with taper or capacity, just dead critters. Open your book and let's see some of those 110's Conquests. Great time to rub my nose in it................(grin)
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No 110conquest pics yet, got some 130 and 140 victory shots though. The fellows have seen them. I highly doubt my swine photos will get the " oohs and ahhhs" of Northern big game but they are downed game none the less.
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I think many are missing the point!! The question is "what small caliber"...lots of 270 fans are polling in but since it's taken all North American and lots of African game I don't place it in the "SMALL" category.Since I have owned a 6mm REM two 243's and a 257 AI Rob...all can kill effectively at 200yds with good bullets and shot placement....so staying in the perameters of the question I'll take the 6mm because without a doubt "IT" has the edge over the 243 at that range.Not saying the 25 isn't good [it's great] but here again "SMALLER CALIBER"
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I much prefer the 243Win to the 6mm and the 243AI to the 6mmAI.
Nawwww...WAY more than just a preference..........
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Interested to know why ??? since I've shot my 243's for years...have you owned and shot a 6 much?? I've punched lots of paper .. C/graphed both and killed many deer and lopes,and when you push the range of these two out to 200 and beyond the 6 always has the edge in my opinion. Good jawin with ya...FLEM
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OP wanted plain jane, out of the box, no fancy loads... AI's are out as far as he is concerned. Even though I own a 6mm, I would say a 243 is better for this guy. No one makes a 6 anymore, and if he doesnt reload, how easy is ammo gonna be to find?
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By some of the responses the .270 isnt terribly large. There have been many 7 millimeter, .30 caliber and even bigger replies so far. The OP didnt really set a parameter so I guess its up to our interpretation, which we know to be pretty broad. Sorry if the .270 doesnt qualify.
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Interested to know why ??? since I've shot my 243's for years...have you owned and shot a 6 much?? I've punched lots of paper .. C/graphed both and killed many deer and lopes,and when you push the range of these two out to 200 and beyond the 6 always has the edge in my opinion. Good jawin with ya...FLEM Launch a 105A-Max at Warp Nine outta a 243AI and get back to me. The 243AI is 6mmRem case capacity,with a much shorter case length,which allows very nice things in s/a mag confines. I've had numerous 6's and a 6AI,as well as 6-06AI. Utility? Gimme the 243AI...........
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I think many are missing the point!! The question is "what small caliber"...lots of 270 fans are polling in but since it's taken all North American and lots of African game I don't place it in the "SMALL" category.Since I have owned a 6mm REM two 243's and a 257 AI Rob...all can kill effectively at 200yds with good bullets and shot placement....so staying in the perameters of the question I'll take the 6mm because without a doubt "IT" has the edge over the 243 at that range.Not saying the 25 isn't good [it's great] but here again "SMALLER CALIBER" "I'll take the 6mm because without a doubt "it" has an edge over the 243 at that range" Small edge indeed. Same can be said about the 25's over the 6mm's and IMHO the "edge" is greater when comparing 6mm's ve 25's. I say the best small caliber deer rifle is the 257 Roberts or a 25/06. I just like the heavier slugs available for the 25's,but if a fellow likes the 6mm/243 there is nothing wrong with them at all. Especially for deer. Lots of Bears here in B.C. and I feel a bit more comfortable with 115-120 gr bullets in one of my 25's (Rob & Roy) than I would with a 6mm. This range of calibers being talked about is my favorite (6mm to lets say 308/30/06 in size)they are accurate and easy to shoot and economical which makes them fun. I also would like to vote for the7mm/08 which I do not own but plan on rectifying this situation ASAP.
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Cite your rifle and load.
REALLY give that answer some thought,it'll be ugly..............(grin)
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