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#4296356 - 08/03/10 01:52 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: FullMetalParka]
Bob33 Offline
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Brilliant. Thank you. I trust that Kimber's rifle making capabilities exceed their website design.

I can indeed now see the difference in weight.

So the real question is this: out of 100 Kimber 8400s (Montanas or Classics) in 270 WSM produced and sold, what percent of them will shoot well out of the box? Naturally everyone makes a lemon now and then, and naturally lots of variables go into real world accuracy. By "shoot well" I mean a rifle that can consistently put three shots in 1 MOA with some form of factory ammunition, assuming the shooter introduces no error.

Is there any other rifle in this category that has a better reputation for out of box accuracy?

I don't want to buy a gun and then return it to the factory a month later to make it shoot well.

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#4296405 - 08/03/10 02:11 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: Bob33]
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Originally Posted By: Bob33


Is there any other rifle in this category that has a better reputation for out of box accuracy?



Yes, IMHO there is such a rifle.

The new South Carolina FN made Winchester m70 Extreme Weather rifles for basically the same money -about $1,000 street price.

In the WSM rounds they are listed at 6.75 pounds- about 1/2 pound more than the Kimber Montanas.

Across the board the new FN m70s seem to have a better rep for out of the box accuracy than the Kimbers. They also seem to have less QC issues overall.

Kimber lovers / M70s haters here please note- I am talking about the NEW m70s- not the New Haven guns.


Edited by jim62 (08/03/10 02:54 PM)
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#4296555 - 08/03/10 03:09 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: jim62]
Bob33 Offline
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I would be very interested in either the Kimber or Model 70. Anyone else care to weigh in on whether the Kimbers or Model 70s are inherently more accurate on average?

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#4296566 - 08/03/10 03:12 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: Bob33]
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Originally Posted By: Bob33
I would be very interested in either the Kimber or Model 70. Anyone else care to weigh in on whether the Kimbers or Model 70s are inherently more accurate on average?


One thing you might do here is use the search function.

There is a lot of user feedback here on the various 24HRCF forums both the Kimber 84/8400s and the new m70 Winchesters.


Edited by jim62 (08/03/10 03:13 PM)
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#4297140 - 08/03/10 06:25 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: Bob33]
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Originally Posted By: Bob33
I would be very interested in either the Kimber or Model 70. Anyone else care to weigh in on whether the Kimbers or Model 70s are inherently more accurate on average?


Just reporting here; not offering an opinion,as I like both rifles(the Kimber is,after all, a M70 clone smile

I have had Kimber Montana's in 270WSM,7mmWSM,and a wood stocked 300 WSM.The 300 was teriible; the 7mm shot well so long as I kept velocities at about 280 levels,and the 270 shot best.In some ways I wish I had kept the 7mm and worked with it some more.

New Haven M70's chambered for the 300,7WSM and 270WSM all shot very well;mechanically I tolerated egged chambers,sticky extraction,and feeding issues.They shot well but I am not unhappy they are gone.

I have owned one SC M70 in 300 WSM and used a friends rifle as well.Shot both enough to know they were both easily capable of sub MOA accuracy. One,the EW easily grouped in clusters at 100,and I shot a few groups at 300 yards with it that went about 2".Load was 66-H4350-165 Sierra SPBT with Fed 215's.This kind of accuracy was also obtained with a pair of standard 270 Winchesters as well.

Function of the 4 FN M70's that I have shot fairly often has been flawless.Not a single hiccup.

If I wanted to be sure the rifle shot well, I would get the SC M70,but I have seen Kimbers that shot well, too.Choice is up to the individual.
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#4297176 - 08/03/10 06:37 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: BobinNH]
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Bob33,
I have an Xbolt Stainless Stalker in .270 WSM. All I can tell you is to pick one up and see how it feels. My X bolt shoots fantastic. The worst groups I have gotten were around .75 @100yds with Winchester 150g PP(gray box). My only complaint is that there is a tiny bit of creep in the trigger. Swings smoothly and is light. Hope this helps.

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#4297196 - 08/03/10 06:44 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: Bob33]
FullMetalParka Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bob33
Brilliant. Thank you. I trust that Kimber's rifle making capabilities exceed their website design.

I can indeed now see the difference in weight.

So the real question is this: out of 100 Kimber 8400s (Montanas or Classics) in 270 WSM produced and sold, what percent of them will shoot well out of the box? Naturally everyone makes a lemon now and then, and naturally lots of variables go into real world accuracy. By "shoot well" I mean a rifle that can consistently put three shots in 1 MOA with some form of factory ammunition, assuming the shooter introduces no error.

Is there any other rifle in this category that has a better reputation for out of box accuracy?

I don't want to buy a gun and then return it to the factory a month later to make it shoot well.


To be honest, the sako a7 or tikka t3 will likely out shoot most the rifles mentioned(via average posts here at the fire).

A friend of mine shoots 140 accubonds(i believe) under three qarters of an inch quite often. Regardless of the bullet, that's decent and he is no seasoned shooter. Thats out of a t3 stainless.

I happen to like the a7, just as well.

I think any rifles mentioned will be perfect!

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#4297219 - 08/03/10 06:51 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: FullMetalParka]
Bob33 Offline
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I have a Tikka T3 in 30-06 and love it. My friend had an A7 and the stock broke in the first two months when he fired it off a bipod. Beretta said they would not fix it since it is not designed to be used with a bipod, but would sell him a new stock for $600.

Needless to say that chilled me on the A7.

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#4297242 - 08/03/10 06:56 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: BobinNH]
Bob33 Offline
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Originally Posted By: BobinNH
Originally Posted By: Bob33
I would be very interested in either the Kimber or Model 70. Anyone else care to weigh in on whether the Kimbers or Model 70s are inherently more accurate on average?


If I wanted to be sure the rifle shot well, I would get the SC M70,but I have seen Kimbers that shot well, too.Choice is up to the individual.

Well, you made that one easy for me! I would choose the Model 70 based on that. That is precisely my concern: I know there is a risk that any rifle may not shoot well, but I want the one with the best chance of shooting well. I've read nothing but favorable comments about the FN M70s. Good things about the Kimbers also, but just a few too many stories like yours.

X Bolts also seem to get favorable reviews,as do the Sakos/Tikkas.

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#4297283 - 08/03/10 07:07 PM Re: Best lightweight 270 WSM rifle? [Re: Bob33]
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I went through a very like "problem" a while ago.

In my search I really liked the remington with a decent stock put on them. My cdl isn't back from Remington, but there CS has been second to none, and those short action rems are pretty light!

Not to mention my past experience has been excellent.

Call me wishy washy(as most the time I am)-just throwing ideas out there!

I love that cdl in the short mags. Pretty slim too.

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