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little i'm 285 pounds and can deadlift 800 pounds? I'm not the one who's hiding, your the one who's making comments behind a computer screen. Come to new york i'll take you on. I'm not scared.

I'm done with this thread, if you wanna enjoy mocking me and being condescending without even understanding what i'm trying to get at and jumping to conclusions that i'm a "troll" then go ahead, knock yourself out. This is a waste of time. What I asked for was advice and instead got ego-maniacs writing paragraphs trying to lecture me and call me junior. MAybe you all need to go and pray to the Lord for mercy on your souls laden with sin. Especially those quoting the Bible.

Bye...

bye bye take care and be sure and Write when you find word.....

One last thing.

Highlighted in bold is a little different than you represent in your posts, such as your posting at Paco Kelly's and your first post when you didn't get the answer from the bunch here.

We offered you advice, from about 120 or so years of combined handloading experience(of which you have none), and you flat refused to accept it. You also stated you liked to ruffle feathers. Well, SONNY, ya came at the wrong bunch. I can ruffle with the best of them, and so far, I have seen, not only from myself, but the others, a large amount of restraint. It won't stay that way.

If anyone is egomaniacal, I would have to say you're having somewhat of a problem in that area. You were the first and so far, only one to exhibit an extremely juvenile attitude. You don't know a damn thing and you aren't willing to listen. Go blow your damn self up.

Ohhhh.....and don't let the door hit you.......JUNIE.

The 444 Marlin would be the more sensible choice if the goal is to push 200gr bullets as fast as reasonably possible in a big bore levergun.

A 200gr Barnes XPB could probabaly make 2600-2700 fps at SAAMI pressure, from a 22" bbl. Should be able to get a max PBR of around 225-250 yards.

you need to grow up bro

I swear to youin the Barnes reloading manual it says the maximum safe pressure for their 250 grain TSX is 2610fps. for a MARLIN. IT's not gonna blow apart i'll be fine.

you think yours so important that i'm gonna lose sleep over you

I've got Barnes Manual Number 3.

Fastest Marlin load listed for the 250gr XFN is 2153 fps via 57gr IMR 4895.

OK, I see Barnes data at 2609 fps here:

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/45-70Marlin1895Web.pdf

I wouldn't try pushing up towards 3000 fps though.

Me? grow up?

Go back through the posts and see who shows immaturity.

Maybe I just need to learn to suffer fools better.

yea no 3,000 is way too fast for a .45-70 i don't even think you could do that even in a ruger 1. Told you, i'm not a liar

all i wanted to do was take 200-250 grain bullet and push it to 2500-3000 fps and the uproar I got for that comment is ridiculous. all i asked was if this is possible and if someone has done it before, I didn't ask for lectures and naysayers and general nastiness. Maybe you should look at your posts.

Barnes' website max load for the 250gr TSX FN in a Marlin with 24" bbl lists AA 1680, 57.5gr, 2609 fps, at max pressure of 42,000 lbs-psi.

Out of curiosity, I ran that powder/bullet combo through Quickload:

Based on those calcs, 2250 fps would be the velocity where I would stop adding powder (in a Marlin). That should be around 40K lbs-psi.

I disagree with the "uproar" part. You were told that it was not a good pursuit, but I don't see where anybody was out of the way with you. You responded, when the answers were not what you wanted to hear, in a very juvenile fashion. YOU were the first to throw a fit and threaten to take your toys and go home.

How do you cope in your day-to-day life if those responses were an "uproar"?

As I said earlier, there is a number of years of combined experience that gave you a very honest answer. That cartridge has been around a day or two, and has been played with by those that have answered you, and it's limits and abilities have been discovered a number of years ago. You gave a clue to your depth of knowledge by stating one possible use would be Home Defense. I'm glad I'm not a neighbor if you are going to discharge a weapon with the penetrative potential of that rifle in your home.

Just accept that what you are trying to do has been tried before, numerous times by many people (the repeatable results makes the statements here valid), and there are better tools for what you are trying to accomplish. The 45-70 is good at what it does, and it has potential as a long range hammer, but not in the fashion you seek. Accept their experience and findings.

It's just going to take a bigger case to reach the velocities you want in that caliber. I suggest the .458 Lott.

Personally, when I want to reach out to 400 yards or so, I start with a 30 caliber cartridge and go down. 6.5mm to 7mm is a real good spot to try for real efficient results.

As it is, I have found the 45-70 suitable for 200 yards using it in the fashion you want to, that is, high-speed light-for-caliber bullets and without any means of accurately determining range. This did include a sight upgrade.

It's simple physics, and you are not going to change it. You will simply discover what has been found out many times before. Hopefully before you need the cane and dog mentioned before, or an artificial limb. I really wouldn't want to see that happen, but if you insist.

Forrest Gump had a saying for that, or rather his mother did.

The lyman 48 manual show the best velocity out of that Barnes bullet at about 2150 with maximum loads and the pressures are right at the limit...
They made the 458 win mag for a reason....

When this first started, I ran the Barnes data through a trajectory calculator.
The Barnes 250grTSX,(which has a BC of .136) leaving the muzzle at 2600fps has a total drop of 93.75" at 400yds. Even at 300yds it has a total drop of 41.68".

Welcome aboard.