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Are you talking about an 84M?

My Montana 7-08 would be the last rifle I'd let go, and the 223 84M would make the decision harder.

Hard for me to recommend them highly enough.

I think OP will have to go used to get a 7-08, though.

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Originally Posted by Yoder409
Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.




You must be talking about a long-action or WSM Montana.
I don't think the WSM stock is that bad and 84M's handle like a magic wand.

I don't own a Montana but would really like to get one in 243.

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Originally Posted by Yoder409
Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.

I went to the gun shop specifically to buy a Kimber until I held one. I ended up with the Mark V Ultra-Lightweight. Beautifully balanced, 24" barrel.... I have done very little load development thus far. But 100 gr. TTSXes over 51.0 gr of 4350 prints groups that can be covered by quarter (and often much smaller.......operator incompetence, no doubt) with boring regularity.


I saw a Montana once,please tell me more...................


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Please explain your statement that all Mark V's are long action. I assumed they were like other bolt action with shorter bolts for shorter cartridges. I have contacted both Weatherby and Kimber and they are sold out of both models in the 7mm-08, so someone must like them. Thanks for info and keep it coming..

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Originally Posted by Yoder409
Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.



I can't believe that's something that's real.

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Originally Posted by tgumby4
Please explain your statement that all Mark V's are long action. I assumed they were like other bolt action with shorter bolts for shorter cartridges. I have contacted both Weatherby and Kimber and they are sold out of both models in the 7mm-08, so someone must like them. Thanks for info and keep it coming..


Weatherby's Mark V, 6 lug action is one size for '06 length cases. Companies like Kimber, Rem, etc make 2 lengths(std calibers) a short action and a long action, there is about 1/2" difference and weight savings. Look at Weatherby's specs and you will notice overall length and weight for say a .270 win and 7mm-08 are the same. Then look at Kimber, Rem(same size barrels of course) and you will see what I am talking about.

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If you can't make up your mind, buy both. That's what I did! The Weatherby seems to balance better. If you are counting ounces though, the Kimber is a shade lighter. You can't go wrong with either one.

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I've had stellar performance from both manufacturers but being that you're wanting a 7mm-08, I'd stick with the 84M. A .257 Roy in Ultra-lite would be the ticket. JMO


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Originally Posted by Yoder409
Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.

I went to the gun shop specifically to buy a Kimber until I held one. I ended up with the Mark V Ultra-Lightweight. Beautifully balanced, 24" barrel.... I have done very little load development thus far. But 100 gr. TTSXes over 51.0 gr of 4350 prints groups that can be covered by quarter (and often much smaller.......operator incompetence, no doubt) with boring regularity.


Hmmm, Montana felt like a club????????????????????????? I would go Montana over the Mark V...It just makes too much sense and it is at least 5-600 cheaper with a better stock

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Originally Posted by ChipM
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Please explain your statement that all Mark V's are long action. I assumed they were like other bolt action with shorter bolts for shorter cartridges. I have contacted both Weatherby and Kimber and they are sold out of both models in the 7mm-08, so someone must like them. Thanks for info and keep it coming..


Weatherby's Mark V, 6 lug action is one size for '06 length cases. Companies like Kimber, Rem, etc make 2 lengths(std calibers) a short action and a long action, there is about 1/2" difference and weight savings. Look at Weatherby's specs and you will notice overall length and weight for say a .270 win and 7mm-08 are the same. Then look at Kimber, Rem(same size barrels of course) and you will see what I am talking about.


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My experience with the Wby UL's, either they shoot or they won't. I owned two in 280 Rem that would not shoot. I now own one that does and will hang onto it like a squirrel on a limb.

I wouldn't own a Kimber if you gave me one.

All Wby Mark V's are long action. The difference in bolt stroke is made up by a slot cut in the bottom of the bolt to shorten it for short action cartridges.


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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
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Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.



I can't believe that's something that's real.



They are coming outta the woodwork,as of late.

Santa is being especially good to me this year..................(grin)


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Originally Posted by Reloder28
My experience with the Wby UL's, either they shoot or they won't. I owned two in 280 Rem that would not shoot. I now own one that does and will hang onto it like a squirrel on a limb.

I wouldn't own a Kimber if you gave me one.

All Wby Mark V's are long action. The difference in bolt stroke is made up by a slot cut in the bottom of the bolt to shorten it for short action cartridges.


sounds like good logic to me, you are doing the right thing I think! You bought two of the Weatherby's that would not shoot, thus admiting that in your hands 66.6% of their rifles are bad, carry on!


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
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Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.



I can't believe that's something that's real.



They are coming outta the woodwork,as of late.

Santa is being especially good to me this year..................(grin)


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It's real. I'm just telling you what I found when I picked the rifle up and shouldered it........ad nauseum (that means "a lot").

I went to the shop, cash in hand, to BUY the Montana. I did as much reading research as I could and had determined that it was the rifle to suit my need. The rifle I looked over was a 7mm-08 wearing a Bushnell 3200 3-9. It felt like a Mossberg 835 in my hands. Maybe the Montana makes the rest of the world gushy. But I won't waste my time looking at another one. My kids' Vanguard Compacts weigh the same, feel better in my hands and WILL NOT be outshot by any Kimber I ever saw at our range.

Ho ho ho !!!!!



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Originally Posted by Yoder409
[quote=Big Stick][quote=Jeffrey][quote=Yoder409]Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me.

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My kids' Vanguard Compacts weigh the same, feel better in my hands and WILL NOT be outshot by any Kimber I ever saw at our range.


They're a full pound heavier with 2" less barrel & a pos rubber band stock...

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Originally Posted by Yoder409
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Have you handled both? The Kimber Montana feels like a club to me. Unbalanced and a really messed up fore-end curvature.



I can't believe that's something that's real.



They are coming outta the woodwork,as of late.

Santa is being especially good to me this year..................(grin)


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It's real. I'm just telling you what I found when I picked the rifle up and shouldered it........ad nauseum (that means "a lot").

I went to the shop, cash in hand, to BUY the Montana. I did as much reading research as I could and had determined that it was the rifle to suit my need. The rifle I looked over was a 7mm-08 wearing a Bushnell 3200 3-9. It felt like a Mossberg 835 in my hands. Maybe the Montana makes the rest of the world gushy. But I won't waste my time looking at another one. My kids' Vanguard Compacts weigh the same, feel better in my hands and WILL NOT be outshot by any Kimber I ever saw at our range.

Ho ho ho !!!!!



Lucky for you,you'll always have your Dreams and Imagination to fall back upon.

Congratulations?....................


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Mine is a 7MAG so it not realy an ultra light. I like it better than the Montana mainly because of the floorplate and better stock.

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Pass the blind mags and hold the fluff.

There ain't much that'll hang with a Montucky 7 Whizzum and that assuredly ain't it,nor close..................


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I like the Montana, but I like my 84M better (2 pos saftey)....7-08 is hard to beat for my money

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