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Originally Posted by keith
sound like an excuse to buy another rifle!

22" 7 mag barrels are very LOUD!


They're actually not that bad, IME. People that shoot with me can hardly tell the difference in noise and blast between my 22" .280, 22" .25-06, 21.5" 7RM, etc.

Even a friend's Win 70 7x57 with muzzle break is much more abusive on my ears than my 21.5" 7RM...

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In my experience most all centerfire rifles are pretty loud. I can't tell a whole lot of difference between any of them.

Now, muzzle brakes are just downright oppressive.


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Originally Posted by hillbillybear
In my experience most all centerfire rifles are pretty loud. I can't tell a whole lot of difference between any of them.

Now, muzzle brakes are just downright oppressive.
..............Well then, you`d absolutely love benching next to my 338-378 Accumark w/brake?..... grin grin grin grin


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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by hillbillybear
In my experience most all centerfire rifles are pretty loud. I can't tell a whole lot of difference between any of them.

Now, muzzle brakes are just downright oppressive.
..............Well then, you`d absolutely love benching next to my 338-378 Accumark w/brake?..... grin grin grin grin



I have had the pleasure of being next to one of those. They sure get your attention grin


A .50 BMG is a lot of fun to be next to when it goes of too.


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Try being in a HUMM-V and have one go off above you.... Repeatedly... Quickly....




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I've never had a 22" 7 mag.,but I guess back in the day Warren Page's Old Betsy flushed out quite a few 22" 7 mags.I've bumped into customs built by Dale Goens and Al Biesen chambered for 7RM and 7mmWeatherby with 22" tubes...these rifles both looked like they had been hunted.....

And Bob Chatfield-Taylor's G&H 7RM on a Mauser action had a 22" tube.He reported right at 3000 with a 175 from that tube,and used it to kosh a big brown bear on Admiralty Island,one shot,at about 300 yards,while hunting with Ralph Young.......

I suspect a 22" 7RM would make short work of any deer at 400 yards without starting to breath hard...

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The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Try being in a HUMM-V and have one go off above you.... Repeatedly... Quickly....



No thanks. I believe I will pass on that experience.


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Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
Just finally had to comment, I've been on for a while but usually choose not to comment on this type of discussion, ( have a tendancy to be a little sarcastic) I have shot a 30-338 with a 20" barrel since 1982, it is on it's second 20" barrel as I seem to like them that way. I can get over 3k with 180's in both barrels. Can anyone really tell me HOW much louder a 22" barrel is really going to be being 4 inches closer to ones ear? Can't imagine that it would be much. If we are afraid of the bang maybe we should play golf! And as to the velocity loss I never saw a deer or elk that could actually tell the difference in a few FPS. If you always want max speed you have to give up a little portability and balance. Cut you 7 to what ever you want, if you don't like it tubes are not really that expensive.
Good luck and I bet you like your new more portable rifle.
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I'm a great fan of handy/dandy and don't get too concerned about decibels until entering the 18" and shorter realm.

Though admittedly love a 14" 7-08 XP.....................(grin)


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hillbilly, I have a 7mm rm with a 23" barrel. I have had 7rm's with 24 and 26" barrels also. In my experience velocity loss was less than 100 fps, and I could not tell a difference in muzzle blast. When I'm at the bench I use ear plugs and when I shoot game I never notice the sound of the shot, I don't see the big deal about muzzle blast from a 23" barrel, and don't think a 22" should make that much difference. I say cut it and with good handloads it will outrun any 280 rem. (which I have also had in 22"-26" barrels)

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Originally Posted by overmax
hillbilly, I have a 7mm rm with a 23" barrel. I have had 7rm's with 24 and 26" barrels also. In my experience velocity loss was less than 100 fps, and I could not tell a difference in muzzle blast. When I'm at the bench I use ear plugs and when I shoot game I never notice the sound of the shot, I don't see the big deal about muzzle blast from a 23" barrel, and don't think a 22" should make that much difference. I say cut it and with good handloads it will outrun any 280 rem. (which I have also had in 22"-26" barrels)



Thanks for the input.

The 100 fps or less is the velocity loss I have experienced over the chronograph on several rifles with different barrel lengths.

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Originally Posted by hillbillybear
I picked up a Winchester Model 70 7mm magnum project rifle yesterday. I am considering shortening the 26 inch barrel to 22 inches to make it a bit handier.

I could give a hang about loosing a little velocity.


Has anyone ever run a 22 inch 7RM? If so what was your experience.


If it's a project whack away. Personally I'd stop at 24, see if that suffices and go to 22" as a last resort. Only cause it's going to be loud and I'm already pretty deeef.

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Speaking of velocity: I went back thru the loading notes for the .280AI and I am getting 3323 fps with the 120 Nosler BT, just short of 3200 fps with a 139 Hornady, and the first round of loadings (i.e. starting loads) with the 162 AMAX produced 2850 fps from a 23 inch Shilen barrel. This is using H4350, RL 22, and IMR 7828 powder in fireformed RP cases.

Also, these loads are not super hot redline stuff either. I could coax a bit more out if I tried.

I am thinking that duplicating these velocities with a 22 inch 7Mm Remmy shouldn't be too difficult.

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Originally Posted by RWE
got snow?



Nope, just a light glazing of ice. We seemed to have dodged this one.


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dad and I took the M-70 apart to check things out good and did a trigger job. The factory synthetic ADL style (i.e. no floor plate) stock is surprisingly stiff. Much stiffer than the usual Remington tupperware of the same vintage

Its not a McMillan or a Manners by any stretch but its plenty good enough for my intended project.


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VA has plenty of JB when you're ready to bed it.

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Originally Posted by RWE
VA has plenty of JB when you're ready to bed it.



Sounds like a plan to me.


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Originally Posted by hillbillybear
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VA has plenty of JB when you're ready to bed it.



Sounds like a plan to me.

Sounds like a glue job to me........... eek

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I MIGHT even remember to spec out the release agent... wink




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Originally Posted by MagMarc
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VA has plenty of JB when you're ready to bed it.



Sounds like a plan to me.

Sounds like a glue job to me........... eek



As opposed too...? grin


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