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#4738542 - 12/23/10 05:36 PM .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger
WanabeBwana Offline
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What would be the best choice for Cape Buffalo at 100yds, a .458 Winchester Supreme 500gr. Nosler solid at 2240 fps or a 400gr Hornady solid at 2370 fps from a .416 (In this case a Rigby).
My .458 is a Browning FN with a 24" barrel. The Rigby is a CZ 550 with 25" tube.The recoil is about the same with the Rigby weighing an extra pound. Both rifles are scoped with Swarovski 1.5-6x42 glass.
Since I can only bring one gun I need a little help.
Cape Buff will be the only game on the menu with these rifles.
Thanks
Wana

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#4738583 - 12/23/10 05:46 PM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: WanabeBwana]
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Neither. You don't want a solid for hunting buffalo anymore, at least for the first shot, with all the good expanding bullets available.

There are a bunch of good expanding bullets for both cartridges: Barnes TSX's, Hornady DGX's, North Forks, Nosler Partitions, Swift A-Frames, etc. etc. Either round will work fine on Cape buffalo with any of these.
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#4738891 - 12/23/10 07:11 PM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: Mule Deer]
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Exactly what MD said. The only times solids are needed are elephant, rhino and hippo on dry land.
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#4738946 - 12/23/10 07:27 PM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: WanabeBwana]
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If it were me I'd take a 416 with 350 grain TSX bullets and not look back. If you want a few solids then the 350 Band Solid flat point will work nicely.

The TSX bullets will be about all that you will need
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#4739148 - 12/23/10 08:58 PM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: jwp475]
Polska Offline
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from what i've heard the .416's ruger,taylor, rigby, remington... penetrate better then the .458 win mag, but the win mag has more knockdown power and stopping power because it can fire heavier bullets. The .416 has slightly smaller diameter making it easier to penetrate anything. The .458 win mag was originally designed to be the only gun you'd need for any animal on earth in any situation, however early safari guys found out that it has lack of penetration because the powder did not allow the 500 grain bullet to reach 2,150 feet per second which was considered the "golden mark" to kill any animal on Earth. This is why the .458 lott was invented which pushes a .458 500 grain bullet at 2200-2300fps so slightly greater than the win mag... some argue if it's really necessary. Hornady's superformance makes a good win mag load that gets up to it's 2,150 fps golden mark.

IN general the rule of thumb is such that the larger diameter the bullet the harder it will be to penetrate... all else being equal. So therefore a .458 win mag 400 grain load @2350fps and a .416 ruger load @ 2350fps with both the SAME EXACT bullets the .416 ruger will penetrate further.. this is common sense of course
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#4739156 - 12/23/10 09:01 PM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: Polska]
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Since yoru going for cape buffalo I would use a high quality controlled expansion bullet... a-square makes a "dead tough" bullet which is basically like a medium expansion bullet some where in between a monolithic solid and a fully expanding soft point. Controlled expansion is what you want for cape buffalo, atleast on the first shot, the rest of the bullet i'd want solids in case of a charge. But thats just me.
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#4739292 - 12/23/10 10:30 PM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: Polska]
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I'd be more apt to want a solid if the buff was headed away. And even then, a heavy controlled expansion bullet would not worry me.
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#4739689 - 12/24/10 06:15 AM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: toltecgriz]
Lhook7 Offline
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As others have suggested, I would reconsider using a solid. Personally I would use the 416 Rigby; I also suggest getting much closer than 100 yards. Good luck on your hunt!

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#4739848 - 12/24/10 07:13 AM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: Lhook7]
mopaneMike Offline
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As Lhook brings us too..

I too was wondering, why do you want to shoot your Buff from so far??

MM

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#4740020 - 12/24/10 08:00 AM Re: .458 Win Mag vs .416 Rigby,Remington or Ruger [Re: mopaneMike]
steve1 Offline
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I wanted a .416 Rigby in a CZ550 when I went to Tanzania three years ago....none was available locally ,but I got a deal on CZ550 Safari Magnum Express in .458 that was too good to pass up.I called Barnes and they recommended a load with H4895 and their 450 gr. TSX which chronoed 2170 with the bullet set out closer to .458 Lott specs.That rifle has a longer magazine box than most .458 Winchester chambered guns. It fed very well and my first shot came at 103 yds. (lasered). It was a complete passthrough on a broadside shot just behind the shoulders.
Unfortunately, I shot just a hair high and the job required three follow ups.He was dead on his feet,but he didn't know it. They were all from straight on in the front and all penetrated completely to his hips through a full paunch. All mushroomed perfectly.When the skinners dug in to retrieve my bullets,I couldn't believe all the grass.
With TSXs,penetration with the .458 will be everything you need.As always,bullet placement is the key.

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