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I think most PHs will tell you to use a soft point for the first shot and solids for the rest. After the first shot the buffalo will probably be running away and you can penetrate to the heart/lungs with a Texas heart shot if you use a solid. I too, like a previous poster, have had success with the Barnes 450 grain .458 TSX at a MV of 2250.


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Just did some "uploading" of the .416 Rigby. Turns out it's easy to get 2650 with a 400--which makes sense as the case holds just slightly less powder than the Wby. Think that would work?


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Just did some "uploading" of the .416 Rigby. Turns out it's easy to get 2650 with a 400--which makes sense as the case holds just slightly less powder than the Wby. Think that would work?


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Yeah an dif you REALLY want to impress a buffalo, try at 416 Weatherby like Layne Simpson says. That 400gr2700 really gets their attention! smile As to the 458, no doubt a proven and impressive killer, but it's almost like a double in that it is a specialized caliber for closer in work. There's just no getting away from the fact the 416 "Rs" are a great caliber and a lot more versatile. jorge


Now Jorge, if you really, I mean REALLY want to impress them just try the 450gr TSX @ 2550fps...guaranteed to impress you too,LOL!

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Oh yeah! On the PHs, that's changed a lot over the last few years, they are all becoming TSX fans! smile


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Thanks for the input. Seems like the consensus is that a premium controlled expansion bullet at 2150+ will do a better job than a solid in the .458 Win. The 100 yd distance was actually the max I would normally take a shot at. The final call will be up to the PH. I am not hand-loading at this time so I will likely go with the .416 Rigby 400 gr TSX at 2400fps.

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Originally Posted by WanabeBwana
What would be the best choice for Cape Buffalo at 100yds


The big fun in shooting a cape buffalo is to shoot it at spitting distance. I shot both of mine at less than 25 yards with a 416 Remington.

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You could do what I did when faced with this decision: buy a 450 Rigby and push your 500grs at 416 Rigby velocity!

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It appears that people believe that either of these cartridges will work for buffalo and that the 416s are more a general purpose rifle the the 458 W. Is that because they have a flatter trajectory that the 458?



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I would go against the advice of the overwhelming majority of PHs if I did not agree that the .375 H&H is the best all round caliber for African hunting.
I have a .375 for the plains game,kudu,sable antelope and gemsbok.
However since Cape buffalo is the only game on the menu I would prefer not to use the minimum legal caliber.
If I were hunting only leopard I would use a 30-06.

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If I were to add another rifle to my collection , strictly for the most dangerous game, it would be a .505 Gibbs.The Safari Classics from CZ is close in price to the .450 Rigby and it is a classic cartridge. Norma makes a 600gr PH load that should get a bull's attention.

I would prefer a .450 Rigby to my .458 Win. But Magnum Mauser actions are costly and my FN Browning circa 1959 is sweet and feeds flawlessly.
I and others have had issues with feeding in CZ 550 actions that were not polished and tuned by an expert.My .375 needed extensive work and would jam if cycled slowly(to minimize the noise in a hunting situation)with certain bullet shapes.It was so bad I traded it to a dealer.

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100 yds would be the max I assume I would be allowed to take a shot at.
On the other hand I have totally annihilated large woodchucks at over 100 yds with the Rigby during a practice session.

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100 yds is a goo range for me 'cause I can't run as fast as I used to.

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