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Not a superior dangerous game cartridge IMHO. Shooting at dangerous game at long range seems like a bad idea. At short range, bigger bullets are better.

It is a great design with all the benefits of military financed development. The brass is amazing and the tolerances are great.

The round is a little hard to fit in a conventional action unfortunately. I am hopeful we will see something similar on the 375 Ruger case soon maybe an H&H length.

It is no longer avaiable but the sporter version on the Sako TRG was/is a great sporting rifle. My favorite hunting partner
has one but carries a SAKO 75/338 for elk. I gather top loads in the light SAKO move you around a bit.


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338 for DG? screw that pipsqeak, here's a REAL DG round:


[Linked Image] I'm sure that 338L will do just fine on anything that walks, just use a good premium. smile jorge

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Originally Posted by atomiclab
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That is an over blown concern


388 Lapua on a M-700 action with Seekins detachable box magazine that allows for a COAL of 3.9"set up for long range hunting


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what is this rifle built on? what action is that? Might that be a standard long action or is it something custom or special (bigger than long action)???


Remington M-700 long action



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Originally Posted by atomiclab
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That is an over blown concern


388 Lapua on a M-700 action with Seekins detachable box magazine that allows for a COAL of 3.9"set up for long range hunting


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what is this rifle built on? what action is that? Might that be a standard long action or is it something custom or special (bigger than long action)???


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JWP475,

did your Rem M700 action REQUIRE any other modifications other than bolt face and magazine to be able to shoot the 338 Lapua? If so what was required?


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JWP475,

did your Rem M700 action REQUIRE any other modifications other than bolt face and magazine to be able to shoot the 338 Lapua? If so what was required?


If you load to 3.6" coal then that is all that is required. I had a Sako style extractor installed and the bolt stop position moved inorder to load to 3.9" coal



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If you use the right bullet and the rifle is built on a sporting configuration (personal preference) then yes you can use it on the Big bears.

Those pre loaded 300 gr SMKs will not do at all in my opinion for dangerous game of any sort.
I would use them on coyotes.


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I have been using my Weatherby Accumark 338-378 for about 10 years .It is awesome.The 250 Nosler Partition bullet at 3100 fps is the ticket for big bears out to 400 yards andmoose to 500 yards.Most of these 300 gr bullets are match bullets not designed for hunting.I had a friend shoot two caribou with one shot with my gun at 450 yards.It killed both of them like a mack truck had hit them.The 338-378 adds about 200 yards to what the 338 win mag would do.I hope the 338 lapua is chambered in some lighter guns such as the weatherby Accumark.I want a gun under 10 pounds scope and all.Your not going to lug these 20 pound guns very far.The 28 barrel with the break on my 338-378 is way long enough any longer and its a pain to carry on the tundra.I love the Weatherby Accumark it is the best hunting rifle I have ever owned.

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
338 for DG? screw that pipsqeak, here's a REAL DG round:


[Linked Image] I'm sure that 338L will do just fine on anything that walks, just use a good premium. smile jorge


JorgeI, your Sabatti?

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Yup, been doing some loading too! :

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Yea, I've seen your targets--looks like you have a winner there. After having a Chapuis for awhile, the double gun bug has not left me alone.

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I ordered a Verney-Carron whilst at DSC. Haven't decided on the caliber yet but it'll probably be another 450NE


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
338 for DG? screw that pipsqeak, here's a REAL DG round:


[Linked Image] I'm sure that 338L will do just fine on anything that walks, just use a good premium. smile jorge


Bastid... Now I'm jealous.


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Jeorge I agee! I like my .470-Capstick or the .458-LOTT. The light rifle is a .375-Wby!!!

Now If I want to really hit something way out youndar way, I'll use my 7mm mag or .300 Win mag......they are very accurate with me behind the trigger. I do have the .338-Edge and a .300-RUM but accuracy is not near as good out to 700 to 100 yards. They also recoil a heck of a lot more at the bench! No muzzle brakes please.

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i know i know, i'm saving up my money for a ruger alaskan 416 which will be my first true big bore, other than hot loaded .45-70. I'm just saying, if you had to, could you? If you had no other rifle and a bear was staring you down at 50 yards, could it get the job done? I'm not willing to experiment, just curious


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Examine the case of the 460Wby! Outstanding ballistic performance...poor Elephant rifle! However downloaded to 2400fps = outstanding performance once again. Too much speed is somehow detrimental to thick skinned animal knockdown ability. (The 460Wby in factory load ammo veered off center line in Elephant skulls until it was downloaded)

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Originally Posted by Dhagaboy
Examine the case of the 460Wby! Outstanding ballistic performance...poor Elephant rifle! However downloaded to 2400fps = outstanding performance once again. Too much speed is somehow detrimental to thick skinned animal knockdown ability. (The 460Wby in factory load ammo veered off center line in Elephant skulls until it was downloaded)


Thats because the hornady solids are round nose, put a barnes or other solid w/ at least a 60% meplat and watch that mother plow.

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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by Dhagaboy
Examine the case of the 460Wby! Outstanding ballistic performance...poor Elephant rifle! However downloaded to 2400fps = outstanding performance once again. Too much speed is somehow detrimental to thick skinned animal knockdown ability. (The 460Wby in factory load ammo veered off center line in Elephant skulls until it was downloaded)


Thats because the hornady solids are round nose, put a barnes or other solid w/ at least a 60% meplat and watch that mother plow.

Gunner


Agreed,
The formula for denigrating cartridges based on bullet performance is clearly obsolete. There is less than one car load of .460 experts in the world. If you handload this cartridge and use it, you will realize that 99.9% of negative comments made on the .460 are without first hand knowledge and worse still, limited exposure during a single review.


The .460 is the most powerful varmint cartridge youcan buy over the counter. It reularly shoots .5 MOA 3 shot groups and regularly shoot under .7MOA for 5 shot groups. It also penetrated in a dead straight line when using 2011 bullet technology and slams game to the ground isn the most impressive manner.

The beauty of this cartridge is twofold, firstly, it has the same trajectory as your .30/06 with 180 grain bullets, secondly, you can use lighter weight .458 bullets and still get 5 - 6 feet penetration and if you wish, load the 500 - 600 grainers to any velocity to suit your personal comfort level.

Everything else is less.

.460 Weatherby Magnum Page 1.

Bullet Load Powder O. A. L. Velocity Energy Comments

300gn Hornady HP
100gn IMR 3031 2738 4995
106gn IMR 3031 2888 5557 Great on Pigs

350gn Speer FP
90gn AR 2206 2380 4403 Bullet better suited to .458 Win
100gn AR 2206 2629 5373
100gn AR 2208 2515 4917
105gn AR 2208 2685 5604
100gn IMR 4064 2525 4956
105gn IMR 4064 2685 5604
108.5gn IMR 4064 2730 5794
112gn IMR 4064 2860 6359 Still Mild

400gn Speer FP
40gn Blue Dot 1720 2628 Fed 215 Primer
57gn 2400 2080 3844 Fed 215 Primer
58gn 2400 2120 3993 Fed 215 Primer
100gn IMR 4064 2500 5553
110gn IMR 4064 2750 6719

400gn Barnes X
110gn IMR 4064 2750 6719 Easy shooting big game load
110gn VARGET 2750 6719 6 feet penetration on big game.
116gn IMR 4064 2900 7472
116gn AR 2208 2860 7267

400gn Woodleigh
110gn VARGET 2737 6655 Bullet better suited to .458 Win.
110gn IMR 4064 2750 6719
116gn IMR 4064 2900 7472

450gn Barnes TSX
110gn IMR 4350 2408 5795
115gn IMR 4350 2527 6382
117gn IMR 4350 2575 6627
119gn IMR 4350 2627 6897 Compressed load

500gn Barnes TSX
110gn IMR 4350 2433 6574
112gn IMR 4350 2483 6847 .456" Great load
115gn IMR 4350 2543 7182 Very heavily compressed

500gn Hornady RN
115gn IMR 4350 2500 6941 .5 MOA Max velocity for this bullet
120gn IMR 4350 2600 7507
122gn IMR 4350 2642 7752 Bullet not strong enough
104gn Rel 15 2398
108.5gn Rel 15 2512 7008
85gn IMR 4064 2028 4567
87gn IMR 4064 2100 4897
104gn AR 2208 2400 6397
94gn AR 2206 2300 5875
115gn WIN 760 2450 6666 Very accurate .5 MOA for 3 shots
115gn AR 2209 2500 6941 .5 MOA
115gn Rel 19 2500 6941
115gn IMR 4831 2500 6941
75gn AR 2207 2000 4442

500gn Swift A-Frame
122gn IMR 4350 2660 7858 Same POI as 500gn Hornady bullet
123gn IMR 4350 2678 7964

550gn Woodleigh
110gn IMR 4350 2356 6769
115gn IMR 4350 2382 6931
117gn IMR 4350 2471 7459 Warm Load
117gn WIN 760 2383 6939
120gn WIN 760 2393
122gn WIN 760 2460 Warm Load
117gn AR 2209 2439
119gn AR 2209 2457
119gn IMR 4831 2464
121gn IMR 4831 2509 7690 Buffalo Load - accurate
121gn AR 2213 2422
123gn AR 2213 2459
115gn WMR 2138
118gn WMR 2162
120gn WMR 2179
122gn WMR 2243 6146

600gn Barnes RN
120gn AR 2213 2346
122gn AR 2213 2389
118gn IMR 4831 2392
120gn IMR 4831 2453 8019 Warm Load
114gn IMR 4350 2418
116gn IMR 4350 2460 8064

NOTE: AR2209 is H 4350 and AR 2213 is H 4831.

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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by Dhagaboy
Examine the case of the 460Wby! Outstanding ballistic performance...poor Elephant rifle! However downloaded to 2400fps = outstanding performance once again. Too much speed is somehow detrimental to thick skinned animal knockdown ability. (The 460Wby in factory load ammo veered off center line in Elephant skulls until it was downloaded)


Thats because the hornady solids are round nose, put a barnes or other solid w/ at least a 60% meplat and watch that mother plow.

Gunner


Have to agree with Gunner on this one. The 460 like all other Weatherby calibers, exceeded the bullet technology of the time. Today, with the advent of excellent solids especially those with flatter meplats, makes the 460 the "penetration king". Full disclosure; I've never taken an elephant. jorge


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