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#5054221 - 03/17/11 Barnes Original 250 grain 308
Lives2Hunt Offline
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I have a box of Barnes original 250 grain 308 caliber bullets and I'd like to load and shoot a few of these. Anyone ever shot any of these? Any suggestions on finding load data? Might use one on a wild boar this fall. Going to load them in a 30-06


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#5056181 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Lives2Hunt]
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What.308 caliber cartidge are you wanting to use them in?

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#5056215 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: EZEARL]
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#5056999 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Motorist]
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One of the last boxes of centerfire ammo I bought before starting reloading was the Barnes 250 gr in 300 Win. This was because I was having factory WW Silvertips fail to penetrate thru our puny Sitka deer at less than 50 yds broadside. Never had a 250 stay inside an animal, but I only bought I box.

My Hodgdon #25 (which I one of the first loading manuals I ever bought) has data for the 250 gr in .308 W, '06, 300 Win, 300 H+H, and 300 Roy. Mostly H4350 and H4831, but some H870. You can usually "eyeball" the IMR powder loadings off these. I can post if you want to know any of this data.

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#5057399 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Lives2Hunt]
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Originally Posted By: Lives2Hunt
I have a box of Barnes original 250 grain 308 caliber bullets and I'd like to load and shoot a few of these. Anyone ever shot any of these? Any suggestions on finding load data? Might use one on a wild boar this fall.


I've played around a bit with that old bullet in the .30-06. My brother wanted to try the 250 Barnes on black bear from his Browning Auto, so it was a double whammy in developing a load that would shoot well but would also reliably cycle the semi-auto's action.

I settled on 2 loads after working off and on for several weeks:

52/IMR4831 for 2288 fps
54/R-22 for 2294 fps

The first load was the most accurate, so he went with it. Alas, he never found a big blackie to field-test the bullet.
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#5057412 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: dawaba]
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The trajectory of that bullet in a 308 ought to be interesting..

kind of like a mortar round..
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#5057495 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Lives2Hunt]
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I bought 3 boxes of Barnes factory loads 250 gr RN for my 06 in early 80,s. Shot a raghorn Elk with one. It stepped up just as
I shot and split horn base killed it right there! They shoot right
to 100 yard zero with my 180 gr load 2" high @ 100 in my 760 06.
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#5057507 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: MuskegMan]
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Muskeg Man I'm looking for load data for the 30-06 with H4350 or any other powders. Thanks

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#5057865 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Lives2Hunt]
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I wish they still made them I wanted to get a couple of boxes. If you want some data, I have the old barnes manual with the loads and can look them up.

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#5057898 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: minnesota10]
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Found some 30-06 data 47 gr of IMR 4831 for 2100 FPS with Barnes 250 bullets.
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#5058088 - 03/18/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Seafire]
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Originally Posted By: Seafire
The trajectory of that bullet in a 308 ought to be interesting..

kind of like a mortar round..


Never tried 250's out of a .308, but with 3 or 4 different powders the best I could get 220's to do out of a 20" .308 was 2150 fps. I figure 250's would be in the 1800-1900 fps range.
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#5060274 - 03/19/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: 458 Lott]
MuskegMan Offline
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Here's the data - published in 1986
26" test bbl
Std large rifle primer
308 Win - commercial brass (manufacturer not specified)

250 gr bullet:

H4831
start - 43.0 gr / 1,990 fps / 40.6 kCUP
max - 45.0 / 2,099 fps / 47.0 kCUP

H4350
start - 41.0 gr / 1,988 fps / 41.4 kCUP
max - 43.0 / 2,083 fps / 47.1 kCUP

H414
start - 41.0 gr / 2,009 fps / 43.1 kCUP
max - 43.0 / 2,142 fps / 49.0 kCUP

H380
start - 40.0 gr / 2,025 fps / 44.6 kCUP
max - 41.0 / 2,088 fps / 50.2 kCUP

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#5060568 - 03/19/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: MuskegMan]
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For the 30-06, Quickload lists 48.8 grains of IMR 4350 for 55K and 2240 fps.

This is using a setting for military brass case capacity and a 22" barrel. I'd work up to the load if you use it. Quickload generally does a good job of estimating the velocity/pressure relationship, but not as well with charge/velocity or charge/pressure relationships.

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#5060604 - 03/19/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Thegman]
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Brainfart on my part - you wanted '06 data.

26" test bbl
Std large rifle primer
30-06 - commercial brass (manufacturer not specified)

250 gr bullet:

H4831
start - 52.0 gr / 2,086 fps / 45.2 kCUP
max - 54.0 / 2,180 fps / 48.0 kCUP

H4350
start - 48.0 gr / 2,049 fps / 43.2 kCUP
max - 50.0 / 2,131 fps / 46.5 kCUP

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#5063243 - 03/20/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: MuskegMan]
Eremicus Offline
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That's roughly what my older Barnes manuel says.
Be advised those bullets don't open well at reduced impact speeds. E

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#5977916 - 12/30/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: MuskegMan]
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Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: MuskegMan
Brainfart on my part - you wanted '06 data.

26" test bbl
Std large rifle primer
30-06 - commercial brass (manufacturer not specified)

250 gr bullet:

H4831
start - 52.0 gr / 2,086 fps / 45.2 kCUP
max - 54.0 / 2,180 fps / 48.0 kCUP

H4350
start - 48.0 gr / 2,049 fps / 43.2 kCUP
max - 50.0 / 2,131 fps / 46.5 kCUP


How much MV would be lost using a 18" barrel verses the 26" test barrel used in the data above?

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#5978492 - 12/30/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Les7603006]
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I'd say 25 fps/in, so 200 fps +/-

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#5979012 - 12/30/11 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: MuskegMan]
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Originally Posted By: MuskegMan

I'd say 25 fps/in, so 200 fps +/-


Do you think they would still open up at that speed?
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#6023982 - 01/10/12 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: kk alaska]
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ive heard of faster loads for one off rifles using rl 17 outta a .308, does anyone know the load im thinking of?
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#7411733 - 02/07/13 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: Lives2Hunt]
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I've ben rel;oaing since 1983...Got a barnes reloading manual #3 with that info in it. recommends reloader #22 ---74 grains max so as always take of 10% to start... If you change your mind Ill take them projectiles of your hands

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#7411741 - 02/07/13 Re: Barnes Original 250 grain 308 [Re: RRReeve]
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so sor that is the 300 weatherby 30-06 is Reloader #19 51.5 grain max

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