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I have 3, 30 caliber rifles that are all factory stock rifles, 2 kimbers and 1 browning abolt. All shoot well but I'd like to get more shots out of them before dropping off accuracy and having to clean. I also like the idea of possibly even getting more accuracy out of these rifles and making them easier to clean as well. So I have 2 questions.
1. which fire lapping kit would you recommend for doing all 3 rifles??
2. Does the neco kit recommend firing jacketed or lead bullets to fire lap??
I'm trying to move the lands back as little as possible while smoothing out the bore. Thanks for any feedback from those with experience. I hand load so won't be buying preassembled ammo.
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Clean to pristine,drive moly and live a leetle.
Hint.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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JB Bore paste.
Fire lapping "might" not hurt, but JB never will.
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JB is a great way to arrange "pristine". Patch out with Kroil,then dry patch,followed with mebbe an alcohol pass or two.
Then swap gears and simply shoot.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I wouldn't use any of this stuff. It just wears out the barrel which is worn out fast enough.
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I preferr to get some 40 grit sandpaper and wrap a piece of it on a bullet that is 1 caliber less then what I'm shooting.
(paper patching) *grin*
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I wouldn't use any of this stuff. It just wears out the barrel which is worn out fast enough. I think you are likening a barrel's inside to your butt's. Worry less about what you put in your barrels and more....
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A hand full of sand works great to ruin your barrel, and it's free.
1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
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"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~
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I would suggest Ultra Bore Coat, a one-time application ceramic bore-coating that in my experience is a lot less hassle than either moly or fire-lapping--and in general more effective: www.ultraborecoat.com
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Actually, I just tried the link, and the company has changed the name of the product to Dyna-Bore Coat. But the link will get you there.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
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Pulling the trigger,has never been a "hassle"...................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I wouldn't use any of this stuff. It just wears out the barrel which is worn out fast enough. I think you are likening a barrel's inside to your butt's. Worry less about what you put in your barrels and more.... Dooooooooooooooooooood! 
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what affect on accuracy if any does utlra bore coat have? How long will it last in the rifle????
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None.
As long as the barrel lasts.
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I just used a Tubb's kit on a barrel this last weekend. Used a Hawkeye borescope before and after to see results and they where impressive. There where several reamer marks and other "speed bumps" in the bore before the lap. The bore after looked like a hand lapped barrel and seemed to foul far less because post testing clean-up was MUCH easier than before.
I am going to check to see if the throat moved forward any. I have numbers on it before fire lapping.
This rifle was acting very erratically before and accuracy was disappointing. Immediately after lapping the first 5 shot group went under .8" at 109 yards and the second 3 shot group was .47".
The owner of the gun was happy because the next step was going to be re-barreling.
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Tenn,
Curious if the throat moved. Let us know. I don't recall noticing a difference with mine, but then I can't be certain I measured it afterwards...
As posted earlier, I have been very happy with the results using Tubbs. I haven't always used all the bullets in the kit, just depends on how rough I think the barrel is.
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I just used a Tubb's kit on a barrel this last weekend. Used a Hawkeye borescope before and after to see results and they where impressive. There where several reamer marks and other "speed bumps" in the bore before the lap. The bore after looked like a hand lapped barrel and seemed to foul far less because post testing clean-up was MUCH easier than before.
I am going to check to see if the throat moved forward any. I have numbers on it before fire lapping.
This rifle was acting very erratically before and accuracy was disappointing. Immediately after lapping the first 5 shot group went under .8" at 109 yards and the second 3 shot group was .47".
The owner of the gun was happy because the next step was going to be re-barreling. Pure BS.....
1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994
"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~
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I just used a Tubb's kit on a barrel this last weekend. Used a Hawkeye borescope before and after to see results and they where impressive. There where several reamer marks and other "speed bumps" in the bore before the lap. The bore after looked like a hand lapped barrel and seemed to foul far less because post testing clean-up was MUCH easier than before.
I am going to check to see if the throat moved forward any. I have numbers on it before fire lapping.
This rifle was acting very erratically before and accuracy was disappointing. Immediately after lapping the first 5 shot group went under .8" at 109 yards and the second 3 shot group was .47".
The owner of the gun was happy because the next step was going to be re-barreling. Pure BS..... Just my thoughts exactly whenever I see one of your posts.
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Something may have fixed your barrel, but it wasn't a bore wear out kit.
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If Swampman says it's BS, I recommend it. Do you have any idea how little credibility you have?
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