"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
Ray Leonard won / stole a couple fights he should not have won. Hearns was certainly one of em and so was his fight with Hagler.
I still get insanely upset anytime someone says Ray Leonard "beat" Marvin Hagler. One of the most disgraceful things I've ever seen in combat sports. I don't blame Marvin for retiring after that.
Brian.
Looks like you saw the same fight I saw. Complete sham..... black eye for boxing.
I remember watching that fight live with a couple of Navy friends and our girl friends. It was a very active fight but I was left disappointed as well. Ray landed more light shots but every one of Marvin's was twice the power. I was always a fan of the Marvelous one and was sad to see him go out that way.
Leonard would spend 2 minutes and 30 seconds of each round running away, and in the last thirty seconds would flurry with pitter patter punches that didn't even get Marvin's attention. To the idiot judges, that rendered Marvin's work each round as irrelvant, as Leonard "finnished strong".
Makes my head hurt just to think about it. Brian.
Mine too.... I've watched that fight start to finish several times and went over it round by round. It was a great fight no mistaking that but IMO Hagler clearly was the better fighter and won the fight. The only thing Leonard won that night was the judges. He did it exactly as wheelchair described it above which was the only way he could have won. 163bc
Mine too.... I've watched that fight start to finish several times and went over it round by round. It was a great fight no mistaking that but IMO Hagler clearly was the better fighter and won the fight. The only thing Leonard won that night was the judges. He did it exactly as wheelchair described it above which was the only way he could have won. 163bc
Ali vs. Norton 3 is right up there when it comes to decisions that bore no resemblance to reality. Norton won no less than 9 rounds of that fight.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
I think if Mike Tyson could have mastered Fraizer's upper body and head movement, he could have done great things. I'll never know exactly why Tyson thought he could just walk straight in. He either got lazy or too much confidence.
Frazier's style totally centered around the fact that he couldn't straighten out his left arm, due to badly breaking it as a child and having it heal funny. He could throw nothing but a hook with that hand. This, along with the fact that he wasn't particularly tall, forced him into the style we all know him for.
Tyson normally fought from a peekaboo stance, and relied on a combonation of parrying and head movement to avoid punches. In his prime, he was far harder to hit than Frazier, who was never particularly hard to hit. Frazier could get away with it because he was insanely durable - the only person who ever put him down for the count was George Foreman, without a doubt the most powerful puncher of his generation.
Tyson fought with a very traditional style, due to the fact that Cus D'Mato was an old school guy. Remember, Cus was always annoyed by Ali's style as he felt that Ali wasn't using proper defense.
Tyson's problems weren't his style of fighting, but rather that he became very complacent in his training. He did literally no training whatsoever for the Buster Douglas fight. The closest thing he got to training for that fight was doing a little light sparring for the press. Tyson was so out of shape that his sparring partner knocked him down. Later in his career, after he served time in jail, he just slowed down. He always relied on being a lot quicker than his opponents, but when he slowed down he never adjusted for it. Somewhat simmilar to what happened to Roy Jones, although when Roy hit the wall he hit it hard and fast.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
I will never respect any victory by Ali due to the lack of any referee forcing Ali to let go of the back of the neck of his opponent. All you saw was a constant removal of his hand, never a point taken away. Now, this takes nothing away from my respect for Ali. When you constantly have your opponent in a half muy ti clinch, you are going to get in some free shots. It's just another example of how crooked boxing was and has always been connected. Ali is the champ, but he's also a cheater.
This is God's universe, and he has a plan. You might think that you have aa better plan, but you don't have a universe.
Holyfield beating Tyson. I believe it was 1997? My father in law and i both had money on Evander. Tyson was outclassed by a counter puncher who was not afraid of him in the least.
Ali vs. Ernie Shavers. I'm guessing it was 1977. Shavers kicked Ali's ass. Ali got the decision.
Pernell Whitaker vs. Julio Cesar Chavez. 1993. I had money on this fight. it was called a draw. Whitaker easily won 8, and probably 9, of the 12 rounds.......
I will never respect any victory by Ali due to the lack of any referee forcing Ali to let go of the back of the neck of his opponent. All you saw was a constant removal of his hand, never a point taken away. Now, this takes nothing away from my respect for Ali. When you constantly have your opponent in a half muy ti clinch, you are going to get in some free shots. It's just another example of how crooked boxing was and has always been connected. Ali is the champ, but he's also a cheater.
The only fight I ever noticed him doing it blatantly and getting away with it was the second fight with Frazier. That directly impacted the outcome of the fight. The other times I've seen him do it, it never amounted to much.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
Holyfield beating Tyson. I believe it was 1997? My father in law and i both had money on Evander. Tyson was outclassed by a counter puncher who was not afraid of him in the least.
The only reason people thought Tyson was going to win that fight was due to Holyfield having some really off performances, specificly the third fight with Riddick Bowe. People just didn't apprechiate what an awesome fighter Bowe was, and thought Holyfield was washed up. Didn't change the fact that Holyfield was a far superior technician than Tyson though, which is why he took Tyson to the cleaners.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
Holyfield beating Tyson. I believe it was 1997? My father in law and i both had money on Evander. Tyson was outclassed by a counter puncher who was not afraid of him in the least.
The only reason people thought Tyson was going to win that fight was due to Holyfield having some really off performances, specificly the third fight with Riddick Bowe. People just didn't apprechiate what an awesome fighter Bowe was, and thought Holyfield was washed up. Didn't change the fact that Holyfield was a far superior technician than Tyson though, which is why he took Tyson to the cleaners.
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Ali vs. Ernie Shavers. I'm guessing it was 1977. Shavers kicked Ali's ass. Ali got the decision.
That's one of my all time favorite fights. I thought Ali edged out Shavers, but barely. Shavers could have knocked out Ali early in the fight, but he thought Ali was just goofing around and didn't realize how badly he had him hurt until he went back and watched the tape.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
Manny vs. Floyd is about the only fight I'd happily lay money down to see right now........
Don't hold your breath. Floyd wants no part of that fight, and has done everything in his power to make sure it never happens.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
