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#524505 - 07/10/05 10:11 PM What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
SAKO75 Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
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Is this MOLY? what precautions do you need to take when shooting the winchester stuff with this coating?

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#524506 - 07/10/05 10:18 PM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
SAKO75 Offline
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so failsafes are moly?

from nosler's website:

Are Lubalox and Moly the same?

NO, Lubalox (CT Ballistic Tip) is an oxide-based coating, which reduces fouling and allows more shooting between cleanings, also Lubalox does not buildup in the barrel and requires only normal cleaning procedures. Moly (CT Fail Safe & Partition Gold) is a molybdenum disulfide coating which reduces fouling and friction. Moly requires a barrel be conditioned by shooting several rounds after cleaning and special cleaning procedures. Accuracy with non-coated bullets may not be up to par in a Moly conditioned barrel.

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#524507 - 07/10/05 11:04 PM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
5sdad Offline
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Registered: 01/22/05
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Loc: South of Minnesota
SAKO75 - if I've got it right (I think I do, but I have been wrong before): Lubalox is NOT moly. I believe it is a rather benign coating. I have heard that 1) it was intended to provide some small degree of lubrication and 2) it was applied purely for cosmetic purposes. I have never heard of its having any sort of bore-fouling capability. Winchester continued to load Lubalox bullets in their factory loads after selling out handloaders in the Combined Technology (no one has ever explained the reasons for it that I can find) misadventure and only providing moly-coated component bullets. I have heard rumors of them coming to their senses and I have also been able to find the old Lubalox bullets through ardent seaching of gunshops as well as on ebay. Hope this helps. John
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#524508 - 07/10/05 11:34 PM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
HunterJim Offline
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Registered: 03/29/03
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Loc: Santee, CA, USA
I have shot a fair number of FailSafe bullets with the original Winchester Lubalox coating in a Steyr .308 Win, and I have not observed any bore effects from it.

I have heard that Winchester originally used it as an appearance coating to set the FailSafe bullet apart from the competition, especially when it was loaded in nickel-plated brass. You know how that high speed, low drag look sells.

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#524509 - 07/11/05 12:06 PM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
Mule Deer Offline
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Registered: 07/24/01
Posts: 35839
Loc: Banana Belt, Montana
I've never been able to discern any effects from Lubalox-coated bullets, one way or the other. This in particular applies to Fail Safes, as I have also removed the moly from component bullets and never found any ill effects, either in accuracy or pressure.

Winchester only Lubaloxes their factory-loaded Fail Safes, but molys the component bullets. They claim this is because the pure copper of Fail Safe jackets tends to increase pressures over standard gilding-metal bullets, so they moly the things to protect foolish handloaders from themselves.

I do believe Winchester is the last big-time bullet or ammo-maker to still carry the moly torch. Most everybody else has given up.

MD

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#524510 - 07/16/05 11:35 AM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
pointer Offline
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Registered: 02/08/02
Posts: 9453
Loc: Indiana
Hornady still offers moly on a lot of their varmint and target bullets.

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#524511 - 07/16/05 03:10 PM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel?
Phillip_Nesmith Offline
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Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 654
Loc: Alabama
Which is on the bullets loaded in Winchester Supreme factory ammo with the Nosler Accubond bullet? I thought about trying the .300 mag Accubond loading, as it's easily available at WalMart everywhere, but I don't think I'd like the moly fouling troubles.

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#7558413 - 03/18/13 03:35 AM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel? [Re: Phillip_Nesmith]
beartooth Offline
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Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 35
Combined Technologies Ballistic Tip uses Lubalox and in one of my 06s the 180gr actually shot tighter groups than the standard BT did. Easy to clean, and a great killer for deer, hogs and black bear.

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#7558959 - 03/18/13 01:24 PM Re: What is Lubalox and what will it do to my barrel? [Re: beartooth]
DakotaDeer Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 14528
It has never seemed to do anything one or the other in the Winchester factory loads that I've shot/been around.

I've always assumed it was a benign black coating meant for advertising purposes.

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