|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,706
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,706 |
Looking at a Rem 700 SPS Tactical with a 20" 223 barrel and like the rifle and price. What am I giving up with the short barrel in speed as I'm also considering a SPS Stainless in 24"? Does a little 223 case need a longer than 20" barrel? It will be used for woodchucks to 300 yds.
Last edited by Dusty246; 05/20/11.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 869
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 869 |
If your only shooting out to 300 yards 20" is more than you would need. I dare say that even a 16" barrel would give you enough velocity for shooting out to 300 yards (noise is another story). The difference in velocity between a 20" and 24" 223 barrel is prettly slim.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,706
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,706 |
That's good to know as I like the feel of the little Tactical and the fact that it has a 1-9 twist.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,300
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,300 |
Nope...not giving up anything in that Bbl...buy it and rock on!
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 19,050
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 19,050 |
I'd take the 20" 1/9 over the 24" 1/12 without hesitation.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 613
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 613 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379 |
I have one of those rifles, nice little rig, you won't lose anything with the 20" barrel. TAC and 70 grain VLD's are a nice combo, and gophers hate thr 50 gr. BT's out of it.
Stock is kinda cheezy, I bedded it and laid in some reinforced epoxy into the forend to stiffen it. An A2 is on the list to replace it..
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,133
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,133 |
I have an older Savage 110 "4x4" model in .223 with a 20-inch barrel, and found myself shooting over prairie dogs at a lasered 287 yards, sighted in one and a half inches high at 100 yards, holding over their heads. This was with a 40 gr Ballistic Tip and a max load of H-335. It shot a lot flatter than I expected.
�That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.� George Orwell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 |
Never knew there was a reason to go much longer.
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277 |
Rancho-your rig will perk with the 70's?
Dober
"True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277 |
Dusty-many many moons ago I was cutting 223's to 21", IMO it's the way to go. If I were you I'd be all over that rig! It'll be a rock star for you.
Dober
"True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379 |
Rancho-your rig will perk with the 70's?
Dober Over 25 gr. of TAC, very nicely..
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379 |
Ugly Tikka shoots the same load lights out, too..
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277 |
which bullet and what twists?
Dober
"True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379 |
VLD..
The Rem is a 9 twist, ugly Tikka is an 8.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,076
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,076 |
My Bushmaster AR-15 has a 16" barrel and it has done PD's in just fine at 400+ yards.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,125
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 16,125 |
I've got a 17 1/2" Rock 8 twist that runs 75's at 2900 even. I've killed out to 850.
I wouldn't worry about a 20.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,522
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,522 |
The M16A1s and A2s are 20", which would seem to suggest that the .223 is just about right with that length.
That's how I look at it, anyway............
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 7,766
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 7,766 |
My new toy-in-progress is a 20" .223ai, to me it seems the perfect fit.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,706
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,706 |
Alot of talk about the 223 AI lately. What kind of speeds are we talking about over the 223? I understand the advantage of the straighter case for less trimming as well as the ease of fire forming. thanx.
|
|
|
|
423 members (10gaugemag, 160user, 10Glocks, 12344mag, 10ring1, 163bc, 32 invisible),
2,467
guests, and
1,033
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,191,285
Posts18,467,824
Members73,928
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|