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#5338050 - 06/16/11 10:02 AM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: johnp034]
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Originally Posted By: johnp034
I don't think your in the "real world."


If this were just some sporterized Springfield 03-A3 John would be wrong.

HW Creighton was a benchrest gunsmith. I have a 6mm-250 on a Remington-built 03-A3 with a Sako take-off barrel built by Creighton it is crazy accurate. I'm sure this one is no different.

Now there is a lot of room between the $700 asking price and the $250 this "real world" person threw out, but there can be no doubt that this "real world" offer was based upon ignorance of the rifle.

If I had the cash I'd definately be on this. If it performs anything like my 6mm it'll make someone very, very happy.
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#5338097 - 06/16/11 10:17 AM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: efw]
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Originally Posted By: efw
Originally Posted By: johnp034
I don't think your in the "real world."
If this were just some sporterized Springfield 03-A3 John would be wrong.

HW Creighton was a benchrest gunsmith. I have a 6mm-250 on a Remington-built 03-A3 with a Sako take-off barrel built by Creighton it is crazy accurate. I'm sure this one is no different.

Now there is a lot of room between the $700 asking price and the $250 this "real world" person threw out, but there can be no doubt that this "real world" offer was based upon ignorance of the rifle.

If I had the cash I'd definately be on this. If it performs anything like my 6mm it'll make someone very, very happy.
So if this thing is so damned good and such a "bargain," why hasn't anyone snapped it up?

As much as it hurts your feelings and bruises yours and the seller's egos, $250 is much closer to a realistic selling price on this rifle. It seems most likely Mr. Craigslist here is in the business of buying and selling guns and paid too damned much for this one to turn a profit.
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#5338310 - 06/16/11 11:16 AM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: Bricktop]
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No bruising of my or the seller's egos, bricktop.

The fact that you ignore is that unsolicited advice is worth as much as is paid for it. If someone wants to offer a firearm for sale on this site at a price that is too high, that is their right.

It seems to me that it is your ego that needs feeding. Everytime I see you involved in a thread it becomes a personal, name-calling cluster-cuss. You're always offering unsolicited advice and getting into these stupid arguments about nothing and it appears that it is to somehow prove your "expertise" to a group of people who really don't care.

It is bad form to criticize an offering price in the public forum. If you make an offer via PM and don't get the response you desire, move along. As has been pointed out here already, there have been Springfields offered here for less money. Go buy one.
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#5338542 - 06/16/11 12:29 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: efw]
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Well stated. Couldn't agree more.

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#5338624 - 06/16/11 12:49 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: 3dtestify]
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+1 on well stated and couldnt agree more!!!

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#5338832 - 06/16/11 01:59 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: 257wthbylover]
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Thank you efw, for your positive feedback! This rifle is a tack driver, as you stated, all of Harry Creighton's are. I also have one of his in a .220 Swift that shoots 1/4" holes all day long. Won't be selling that one anytime soon.
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#5339506 - 06/16/11 05:56 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: efw]
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Originally Posted By: efw
No bruising of my or the seller's egos, bricktop.

The fact that you ignore is that unsolicited advice is worth as much as is paid for it. If someone wants to offer a firearm for sale on this site at a price that is too high, that is their right.

It seems to me that it is your ego that needs feeding. Everytime I see you involved in a thread it becomes a personal, name-calling cluster-cuss. You're always offering unsolicited advice and getting into these stupid arguments about nothing and it appears that it is to somehow prove your "expertise" to a group of people who really don't care.

It is bad form to criticize an offering price in the public forum. If you make an offer via PM and don't get the response you desire, move along. As has been pointed out here already, there have been Springfields offered here for less money. Go buy one.
Who the f*ck are you, the politeness police? I didn't realize the flavor of the day was now candyass.

You and johnp034 can try and spin this nine ways to Sunday, but here's the reality: the gun being sold is nothing more than a fairly crude sporter built on a military 1903 action. It's not a G&H sporter. The gunsmith in question was only a regional gunsmith of average ability; there's no great fan base out there trying to locate his rifles as they would a Fred Wells or Lenard Brownell. Similar rifles don't sell for anywhere near the asking price this pogue is asking. Is any of this sinking in yet?

The seller has identified himself as employed in "retail gun sales," yet he seems to be completely detached from this. He offers misleading items for sale. (Anyone recall his "Remington Rand" 1911 and the offense he took when it was pointed out that this was NOT what he was selling?) And now he's selling this crude military sporter. And when someone shot him an offer, he took offense at that.

There's just no demand for this rifle at the price offered. Period. That's reality. You can sure as hell sit on it at $750 and that's all that'll happen. Read it and weep.
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#5340283 - 06/16/11 10:02 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: efw]
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Can't say much for the aesthetics of john's rifle. Does your rifle look any better? I'd like to see some pics.

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#5342877 - 06/17/11 05:46 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: Bricktop]
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Thanks for proving my point... and for the avatar... my boys crack up every time they see it.
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#5342915 - 06/17/11 05:57 PM Re: Custom .257 Roberts [Re: efw]
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Originally Posted By: efw
Thanks for proving my point... and for the avatar... my boys crack up every time they see it.
Proving your point on what? You've expended a hell of a lot of effort trying to sell this fence post of a rifle, but I don't see any buyers. And for all of your bluster, you sure as hell ain't one. Funny how that is, huh?
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