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I'm not sure how you guys are changing the thread's title to .243 OK, on Elk (or Grizzlies) - but it's got me in stitches.

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Ya, has gone a bit off topic. Always will be the small/bigger is better issue. I tend towards the bigger is better. Everyone has their own choices to make. For myself I will go with what has worked for me. As has been stated before why does one need more than one rifle? I could agree with that, but it would not be near as fun.

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Originally Posted by smithrjd
Ya, has gone a bit off topic. Always will be the small/bigger is better issue. I tend towards the bigger is better. Everyone has their own choices to make. For myself I will go with what has worked for me. As has been stated before why does one need more than one rifle? I could agree with that, but it would not be near as fun.


Since when did a 24CF thread ever stay in topic?


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Originally Posted by Mako25
I'm not sure how you guys are changing the thread's title to .243 OK, on Elk (or Grizzlies) - but it's got me in stitches.


My bad. "You guys" was all my fault. Just use the regular "reply" link and you can change the title to anything you want. It wasn't so many years ago that the Roberts was debated for elk on internet forums - and the result was that people tended to disparage the idea. Nothing has changed in that time other than people's opinions.


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I think the thread is official derailed. Moose are one thing but taking up to grizzlies is apples and oranges. How about elephants? Cape Buffalo? Sasquatch?

I think moose will go down easier than elk, and especially bears. I don't think they have the toughness or whatever you want to call it compared to elk. One through the lungs and wait till they tip over. It just takes a little time to deflate them compared to your standard whitetail.

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OK...WTF....I'll play...

1. Elk-yes.
2. moose. Yes
3. grizzlies- sure..what the hey...
4. elephant-give me a 120 gr. round nose solid..I'll try anything once....


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The famous African professional hunter John Kingsley-Heath killed a bull elephant quite suddenly with a .243. He used a bullet custom-made by Speer specifically for the purpose, and put it in the ear-hole. Crash!

Kingsley-Heath admitted that was something of a stunt, but firmly believed the .243 was the best leopard cartridge ever. This always gets a rise from "modern" African hunters, whether amateur or pro, but JKH's reasoning was pretty clear: The .243 didn't kick enough to bother anybody, and the bullets expanded perfectly for killing 150-pound animals, especially at typical bait-hunting ranges. Over a career that was over a half a century long, he not only killed a pile of leopards himself but guided clients to hundreds, in several African countries.


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Originally Posted by Partagas
I think the thread is official derailed. Moose are one thing but taking up to grizzlies is apples and oranges. How about elephants? Cape Buffalo? Sasquatch?

I think moose will go down easier than elk, and especially bears. I don't think they have the toughness or whatever you want to call it compared to elk. One through the lungs and wait till they tip over. It just takes a little time to deflate them compared to your standard whitetail.
One through the lungs and wait til they tip over works,and moose seldom take much notice of a big bullet through the boiler room,but it has been my experience that with smaller calibres they tend to wander a bit before they fall,and the wandering can often be into a swamp or a willow jungle.I shoot an 8mmMag at BC mooses,and I keep shooting til the legs go up in the air!! grin Monashee


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Perhaps the best thread ever. Good information, some heartfelt responses - but the satire is just rich, I mean golden.
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OK 243 is great for 150# animals?? Have never baited a moose, wait, I will admit I have never shot a moose.. Good to go I will sell all my other rifles and keep the 243. Mice to Elephants nothing else needed.
No not really but will keep the 243 because it does work well in its niche..

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There another consideration. From what I've seen with you ( limited) they can have more poise than mNy adults. They simply don't know they should be nervous plus they are more patient for the right shot. They don't take marginal shots because they've been told not to. Judge the maturity of your son and let that also guide your decision. Not all new hunters need extra margin of error. Some need less because they are less willing to push the limits

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Originally Posted by Monashee
Originally Posted by Partagas
I think the thread is official derailed. Moose are one thing but taking up to grizzlies is apples and oranges. How about elephants? Cape Buffalo? Sasquatch?

I think moose will go down easier than elk, and especially bears. I don't think they have the toughness or whatever you want to call it compared to elk. One through the lungs and wait till they tip over. It just takes a little time to deflate them compared to your standard whitetail.
One through the lungs and wait til they tip over works,and moose seldom take much notice of a big bullet through the boiler room,but it has been my experience that with smaller calibres they tend to wander a bit before they fall,and the wandering can often be into a swamp or a willow jungle.I shoot an 8mmMag at BC mooses,and I keep shooting til the legs go up in the air!! grin Monashee


Thinking you have not seen many moose or bears shot... I have seen a number of moose take a ridiculous amount of killing... My elk experience is way limited, but there is no way I would hesitate to shoot an elk with a 243 and a TSX, while holding on the shoulder.


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I can't think of anything, hit well - including bears, that has lasted very long. I don't include critters that paint the countryside as necessarily hit well however. Some animals do seem to be able to survive by pumping adrenaline fumes through their veins if your don't hit the drains too hard to begin with. FWIW, more than a few bears don't get hit well initially which is partly why they have a reputation for toughness, I believe.


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If your Son can't shoot the 30-06 or the 6.5X55 , he's not ready to hunt Moose yet ! IMHO


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Originally Posted by oneoldsap
If your Son can't shoot the 30-06 or the 6.5X55 , he's not ready to hunt Moose yet ! IMHO


Pretty arrogant statement there...


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Originally Posted by oneoldsap
If your Son can't shoot the 30-06 or the 6.5X55 , he's not ready to hunt Moose yet ! IMHO



I agree. I did not let my son put in for Moose until he turned 14 this year. Reason was because he hunted with a .243. This year he has a Ruger .270 and he is shooting it well so we put him in for moose. Since I apparently need to qualify my opinion with my experience here, I've shot three moose. A bull and a cow in Vermont and a bull in New Hampshire. I've also participated in moose hunts with my wife and BIL in VT and NH. All were DIY without a guide in sight save the Holy Spirit who guides me in all things. Just my opinion, and yes .243 guys I am allowed to have one. I'm hoping my boy pulls a VT moose tag here in two weeks.

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Originally Posted by oneoldsap
If your Son can't shoot the 30-06 or the 6.5X55 , he's not ready to hunt Moose yet ! IMHO


Go ya one better, beins you're a full growed bonafide he man, if you can't shoot a 458 lott loaded full house with 500 gr bullets, with a stock that a full 2 inches to long and a checkered steel buttplate you're a puss...


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Originally Posted by Ranch13
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If your Son can't shoot the 30-06 or the 6.5X55 , he's not ready to hunt Moose yet ! IMHO


Go ya one better, beins you're a full growed bonafide he man, if you can't shoot a 458 lott loaded full house with 500 gr bullets, with a stock that a full 2 inches to long and a checkered steel buttplate you're a puss...



Who has a .458 Win with a steel buttplate?

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Guess you fall in the puss catagory then?


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