Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters 300 Win Mag 200gr TTSX for mountain grizzly in BC ?

Personaly I would use the 165/168 or the 180 and would stay away from extremely long bullets. When a monometal bullet is not properly stabilized it will often have enough wobble to bend the point and inhibit expansion as well as pentration

The 200 TTSX is too long IMHO

True we did, but the critter sure as hell wasn't dead because of this slug...!

Dober

I think you will find it was a Barnes marketing strategy as well, when they first introduced the X Bullet. GS bullets also make lighter monometals for the same reason.

I know Plains Game are better taken with a 150 monometal X from a .300 magnum than anything heavier. 200 grain in a .300 ? Use a bonded or conventional bullet.

Some very good opinions here, the same gun shoots the 175 LRX very well at 3100 FPS...Maybe I should take that instead of the 200 grainer ?

Why don't you send 458WIN a PM? He is an expert on griz.

I really don't see the need for a 200 grain solid like this in 30 cal unless you are trying to stretch it into a hippo or buff rifle. Bears aren't that big. I'll bet it would work, but having shot over 10 bull elk with 165s and never recovering a single one, I think that you would not need to go bigger than 180 and acquire any of the problems that accompany those LONG bullets.

If I did a hunt as "exotic" as that, I would probably use a leaded bullet. If you want 200 grains, maybe a A-frame or Partition. If you want to use the Barnes, I suggest a 180 is more than enough.

now that right there is scarey. Mark, i was thinking tsx in my pre-64 243 for BIG deer. What do you think? Do you think ttsx is better? I worry about sciroccos opening if it's a 400 yd shot.

I took a big 30 and 200 Partitions on my mountain grizz hunt. It worked. 211 yards and the bear went from eating blueberries to dead. Never took a step. A Partition would be tought to beat.

I've recovered some very nasty-looking, parasite damaged lungs from moose, which died because of a different parasite......one holding a 30-30 Winchester.

As you will recall, I've also had monos "pencil in" without penciling through. Shooting a large game animal more than once has never been a bad thing IME. (I don't sweat which bullet got the job done first.)

Exactly a pointed bullet that doesn't open is going yaw, tip and or tumble

Yes, it's enough. This 8-1/2' Tundra Grizz taken North of Nome in 2008 did a front roll, up on his feet to start running and hit again, a few inches from 1st shot, dropped in his tracks with 2nd shot from 300 WSM and 180 TTSX from 157 yds.


Second bullet recovered.


Alan

I loaded up some 200 gr Partitions a few years back for my brothers 300 Weatherby. Works real good. He's killed a big handful with them. I think the TSX bullets are fantastic, but that whole "penceling thru deal" would make me think twice about using one on a Grizzly.

Just a thought...

The only thing close to personal experience with a 200 TSX(tipped or not) and grizzlies I've had was when the guy who went into the same Alaskan camp a couple of years ago got his bear with 200 TSX's from a .300 Winchester Magnum.

Or at least he partially did. He hit the bear OK but not perfectly with the first shot, and eventually the hunter and the guide put 9 bullets into it. (The guide used a .338 Winchester Magnum and 225 AccuBonds, as did two other guides from the same lodge.)

I heard the story from both the hunter and guide, though separately. I also got to gaze at the skinned carcass of the bear for several days while glassing for my bear. It had a number of bullet holes in it, but even ravens weren't bothering it much. Dunno why.

It was also a very big carcass. The guide (who'd been guiding in Alaska for 25-30 years) claimed it was a genuine 9-foot bear, but we were hunting where B&C calls them brown bears and SCI calls them grizzlies, about 150 miles from the nearest coast.

That's all I know.

I used the 80TTSX last year out of the 243 on two deer--the bullet opened fine and penetrated completely; however, it does not make as big of a hole as a normal softpoint bullet does.

That may be another advantage to the shorter monos; I've seen some pretty obvious "tumbler" effects when the get sideways - nice exit paths that way.

I'll be trying the 175 gr LRX in my .300 WSM this year. Not to many reports on the LRX so far.

I see a lot of guys on here scared of the 200 grainers "not stabilizing", "tumbling", and "penciling through". The common denominator? None of them speak of ever actually USING it on game.

A few years back I took a lot of game in BC with my 300Wby, with premium bullets from 165ers at 3370 to the 200s at 3050. Goats, bear, bison, moose, you name it. The only conclusion I reached is that one killed as fast as the others. The 165 grainers fried moose, and the 200 grainers certainly didn't tumble.

I would happily use the 200.

One doesn't need to use every weight in every caliber to get some understanding of what works and is necessary. Perhaps the 200 would be suited, if much more than necessary on grizzlies, in an UltraMag or other very large case. I don't think anyone has suggested that it won't work in the Win Mag either. If you've used the likes of even a 180 in nothing more than a 30-06, you can easily understand that you are over-thinking and over-solving the problem in applying the very long 200 to bears which aren't generally huge. BTW, I didn't notice whether you had used the 200 TTSX or not either. I'm assuming not as I don't think it has been available for very long. Speed is never a bad thing with monos which is part of what favors lighter bullets IMO.

I'd happily use the 200 NPT, Accu, GK or HC but would prefer to not use the TTSX/TSX. I'd use it if I had to but would just prefer not to is all.

Now a 168 TSX/TTSX I'd use in a heart beat!

Dober

Just curious Why would you use a 168gr TTSX and not a 175,180,or 200 grain TTSX..?