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#5509449 - 08/11/11 300 win mag grizzly and moose?
ribka Offline
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Registered: 03/11/10
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I'm am primarly a bow hunter so am throwing out this question

Have a moose tag in BC this Oct and the guide has a grizzly tag available. I said hell yeh I'll take it, also picking up at least one wolf tag too

Taking up my bow but also bringing my 300 win mag. I know the 300 is more than enough for moose as I have shot 2 with my bow

Is it justifiable to pick-up a 338 or 375 HH for the grizzly bear or is a 300 win mag sufficient? I know the grizzly and moose run smaller up in N BC than Alaska. Thought I would post this here as you guys seem to have the most real world experience.

Any loads, bullet selection 300 mag/ 338 for big bear?

Thanks

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#5509470 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: ribka]
ironbender Offline
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Registered: 12/08/03
Posts: 43990
Loc: In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn...
Originally Posted By: ribka

Is it justifiable to pick-up a 338 or 375 HH for the grizzly bear or is a 300 win mag sufficient?

Yes and Yes!

That justifies the acquisition if that's what you want, but you won't be undergunned with the 300WM.

Good bullet in the right place.
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#5509514 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: ribka]
yukonphil Offline
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Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 391
Loc: Whitehorse, YT
Ribka,

as you re going in BC i suggest you to try on our Canada section.

there is more than one fellow there that i hunted moose and grizzly.

if you tell there where you re going pretty sure you ll get top notch advices.

of course here too.

ps : there is some nice²moose dandy in N BC and some BC grizzly can be compare side by side with AK peninsula brown bear.

for the caliber everything will work and take the one you can handle as you re a bowhunter you know a little about bullet or arrow placment

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#5509594 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: yukonphil]
JBabcock Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 1515
Loc: Longbranch, Washington
My Brother has been using a 300 Weatherby for about 25 years on Moose and Grizzlies. Hasn't let him down yet. 200gr Noslers are his 1st choice, but he's killed just as many or more with 180's.

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#5509608 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: yukonphil]
docdb Offline
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Registered: 01/26/03
Posts: 2489
My grizzly fell to a .30-06 like he was was hit by the hammer of Thor
I used Federal factory 180gr TSX


Edited by docdb (08/11/11)

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#5509619 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: ribka]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13810
Loc: Central Louisiana
That sounds like a great hunt. If I was in your shoes, it would be an easy choice. I have a .300 Win Mag that light and accurate. I would be working on the right loads for that hunt, with the possiblilty of a bear in mind. Now, if I was going after the big bears, I'd have to take my .375, but it's a lot heavier than the .300 Win Mag. With the right loads the Win Mag is an effective and adaptable round.

DF

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#5509643 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: JBabcock]
gddir Offline
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Registered: 10/04/09
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Loc: Oklahoma/Kansas
Originally Posted By: JBabcock
My Brother has been using a 300 Weatherby for about 25 years on Moose and Grizzlies. Hasn't let him down yet. 200gr Noslers are his 1st choice, but he's killed just as many or more with 180's.


+1 on the .300Weatherby! 200gr AB's--84gr of H-1000 at 3,000fps gets their attention right away.
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#5509688 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: ribka]
bsa1917hunter Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 08/12/10
Posts: 20965
Loc: Orygun
Originally Posted By: ribka
I'm am primarly a bow hunter so am throwing out this question

Have a moose tag in BC this Oct and the guide has a grizzly tag available. I said hell yeh I'll take it, also picking up at least one wolf tag too

Taking up my bow but also bringing my 300 win mag. I know the 300 is more than enough for moose as I have shot 2 with my bow

Is it justifiable to pick-up a 338 or 375 HH for the grizzly bear or is a 300 win mag sufficient? I know the grizzly and moose run smaller up in N BC than Alaska. Thought I would post this here as you guys seem to have the most real world experience.

Any loads, bullet selection 300 mag/ 338 for big bear?

Thanks



When in doubt use a partition. My 300 win mag loves the 200 gr. partition. I'm pretty sure a bear wouldn't like it though. I've even got some 220 gr. partitions stashed away for that special hunt grin
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#5509705 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: gddir]
Salmonella Offline
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Registered: 10/17/06
Posts: 4036
Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
No worries with the .300 Win.
Prepare in other ways, your rifle is more than enough.



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#5509735 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Salmonella]
bsa1917hunter Offline
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Registered: 08/12/10
Posts: 20965
Loc: Orygun
Originally Posted By: Salmonella
No worries with the .300 Win.
Prepare in other ways, your rifle is more than enough.




I know I've told you this before, but very cool pic.
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Originally Posted By: raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


BSA

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#5509937 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: bsa1917hunter]
MontanaCreekHunter Offline
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Registered: 06/28/08
Posts: 7713
Loc: 99821/06810
Ribka you don't need no stinking gun! You have your bow.

Can't wait to see pictures. Good luck and be safe.
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#5510014 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: MontanaCreekHunter]
Sitka deer Offline
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Posts: 26320
Loc: Anchorage, AK USA
Use a true premium bullet in the 180gr range and there will be absolutely no problem getting full penetration at any angle... Nosler Partitions do not qualify as true premiums...
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#5510084 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Sitka deer]
ironbender Offline
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Registered: 12/08/03
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Loc: In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn...
Accubombs, then? smile
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American by birth; Alaskan by choice.


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#5510264 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Sitka deer]
Salmonella Offline
Campfire Guide

Registered: 10/17/06
Posts: 4036
Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
Nosler Partitions do not qualify as true premiums...


Shhhhh. Don't tell that to my 10 footer.

grin

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#5510355 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Salmonella]
gunner500 Offline
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Registered: 09/08/09
Posts: 23351
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: Salmonella
Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
Nosler Partitions do not qualify as true premiums...


Shhhhh. Don't tell that to my 10 footer.

grin



Thats funny Salmonellagrin, got a Bud that has killed three kamchatka giants with his 300 Win. and NP's.

Gunner
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#5510428 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: gunner500]
ribka Offline
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Registered: 03/11/10
Posts: 4803
Thanks for the advice. Of course any opportunity to purchase a new 338 or 375 could be justified but the wife is giving me a hard time already on money spent on the trip eek

Would love to shoot one with a bow but this is probably my one and only chance for a grizzly so will probably be primarily carrying the rifle. Will be doing a good deal of hunting from horseback and guide advised that most shot opportunities run from 50-200 yds.

Will start working up loads this weekend and start shooting

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#5510433 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: gunner500]
wildhobbybobby Offline
Campfire Ranger

Registered: 12/27/09
Posts: 2462
Loc: Michigan Yooper
I guess I was lucky to escape with my life when using an inadequate .300 Magnum and non-premium 200 gr. Nosler Partition bullets...whew! He must have had a heart attack when he heard the noise, I guess. grin





Edited by wildhobbybobby (08/11/11)
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#5510492 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: wildhobbybobby]
Dirtfarmer Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 13810
Loc: Central Louisiana
NPT's may not be the latest, slickest bullet on the market, but the standard by which others are judged. I would think at least 180's in the .300 Win Mag with any of the NAB, IB, E-Tip, SSII, TSX, TTSX types. I would go with the one my gun liked best. With monometals, of course, it's the critical bullet length more than weight.

Never count the NPT's out. They're like the Energizer Bunny, keeping on keeping on, year after year, decade after decade, a true classic. And a bullet doesn't obtain that status over time without a reason. It's got to be pretty darn good...!

DF

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#5510730 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Dirtfarmer]
Sitka deer Offline
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Registered: 02/02/01
Posts: 26320
Loc: Anchorage, AK USA
No one said they are a bad bullet... Huge difference though between the performance of the NPT and a true premium bullet. Lots of stuff gets shot and dies from non-premium bullets.

But if one is paying for a premium bullet I would think they would have some incentive to make sure they actually get one. The second hole is simply not reliably produced with the NPT... and a huge percentage of NPT shooters wait for the chance to poke one behind the shoulder.

With a real premium the wait is not there and the bloodshot meat is hugely reduced. I have seen bears shot with the NPT and it works, but it would be a long way from my first choice.
art
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#5510761 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Sitka deer]
jwp475 Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 19405
Loc: USA


+1, Sika deer
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….they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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#5510770 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Sitka deer]
hamr56 Offline
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Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 974
Loc: Wyoming
Great pictures wildhobbybobby! Yes a 300 mag will work, and plenty of grizz have been taken since 1948 with a NPT. However I would take the bullet that shoots the best in your gun and has the best performance. If that is the NPT then so be it.

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#5510983 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Sitka deer]
Klikitarik Offline
Campfire 'Bwana

Registered: 08/13/03
Posts: 13103
Loc: Alaska - N63º, W162º
Premium bullets are the bomb!





Okay, so that doesn't quite 'say it' well. In fairness, I can't think of anyone other than Speer with their Grand Slams who calls their bullets "premium", so we can give the guys at Cerebus/Barnes a pass.



And just so no one thinks I'm taking a swing at Cerebus, here's a Cerebus/Remington that turned out well, if bullet remainders matter. (And it did make two holes; was recovered beyond the dead animal, unlike the two previous.)

The use of a bullet has a lot more to do with what ends up premium in the results or not. There would be a lot of fault on the user of a 200 Partition in a 300 mag if those results didn't turn out well. There are no grizzlies or moose that can't be dispatched quite handily by any reasonably competent person so equipped.

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#5511035 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: Klikitarik]
458Win Offline
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Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 2668
Loc: AK peninsula
Personally I consider the Nosler partition a premium bullet and, when considering performance on all game, still one of the best of the best.
This bear was one of the largest bodied bruins that any of my clients have taken in thirty years. A single 200 gr Nosler Partition from the hunters 300 mag. stopped it within 30 yards.



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#5511065 - 08/11/11 Re: 300 win mag grizzly and moose? [Re: 458Win]
jwp475 Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 19405
Loc: USA


Now that's a bear!!!!
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_O
….they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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