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How about the 300 BLK in Remington's discontinued 7615? The black rifle guys use it for pigs and deer and it handles bullets between 110 and 250grs. with a 1 in 8 twist. It would seem like a good farm, truck, utility gun. And good for people who can't use a semi or don't desire to, like PA hunters or the blokes from Oz.

My backdoor guns shoot at predators around the farm and occasionally get used for butcher jobs when we don't use a handgun. Shooting is offhand and I use peep sights. Coyotes started taking lambs this year, so they're on the list. What little hunting I did was deer and rabbits.

I reload and cast and shoot lead. This cartridge sees like a modernized 32-20 with capabilities getting into 30-30 country, if not coming close to high end modern 30-30 loads.

And lastly, Freedom Group owns both AAC and Remington. Remington already has 3 or more loads out and more to come. New brass is $25/100. It seems like a utilitarian cartridge that might take off. And it would fit just right in a sized down pump gun.

What do all ya'll think?

Essay W.

Gimme a 223 or AI thereof.

Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier just to find a shooter grade 760 or 7600 in almost any caliber and shoot $15 Federal factory ammo from Wal-Mart?

JEff

Not really. I want the low range loads and quiet loads more than the the full power. I would like the rifle small and handy too. If what I had in mind was a full power cartridge in a full size rifle, I would not have been as specific as I was about my needs and desires in my post.

The main problem with this fantasy, the 7615, is they were really high priced when they were out, neck and neck with mini thirties and some ARs. If they came back, that might happen again.

Other advantage in a pump over the auto is any handload that feeds and clears the barrel will function. Like a cat sneeze round in a revolver. Kill an animal the barnyard with out the blast and disturbance.

Bottom line, I'll get the Handi-Rifle coming out and learn not to miss and / or reload really, really fast. And 32-20 level round, hot, will do the job on any coyote I could hope to hit off hand.

You got to believe a 250 gr rnfp lead bullet would penetrate whatever, even at 1050 fps.

Essay.

I am a big believer in over kill, not just getting by.

The 7615 is just a short barreled 7600 with a magazine adapter that allows the use of AR format magazines.

Shoot reduced velocity reloads or reduced recoil factory loads, have the barrel trimmed, and buy a set of the factory plastic stock/forearm. If I lived or hunted in PA, the land where semi-autos aren't allowed for hunting, I'd probably put together a short 760/7600 that would fill the niche that my cut-down Winchester 100 currently fills.

JEff

A 7400 with managed recoil 30-06 is awesome.

I had a little overkill incident butchering a goat. Sprayed blood and brains all over me and the carport. ALL over. Like a bad movie. The ranch rifle as a concept was never about the high end use, IMHO, and although there is waterfowl hunting across the road, the encroaching neighbors of creeping suburbia make full power rifle or magnum handgun a poor choice most of the time.

Until a dream gun shows, which may never happen, it is probably better to approach this as a reloading challenge with an existing rifle and caliber. Short 30-30 would do most if not all of what I need with some handloading. Easy enough to put on the peep sights too.

Essay

Win 94 in 30-30 is all you need. If you want to go modern the AR in 6.8 SPC

How about a Savage 170 in 30-30 or 35?

JEff

Is the Savage 170 tube fed or with a box magazine? My local Gun store Mecca has a huge selection of used firearms, and good prices. I'll have to pay closer attention. I know they always have a few 30-30 levers in the rack to choose from.

I just re-read some Paco Kelly articles on hand loading the 30-30 and it's Ackley version, and he has a load for any application I can see having. Has a cat sneeze 200gr load and a 3000fps 100gr load and lots in between. Could probably get out with rifle and dies and 100 pieces of new brass for $350. Got a couple thousand 32-20 bullets that might fit and a 30 cal lyman M die, and powders that will work. Might be too simple and practical.

Essay

The Savage 170s have tubular magazines.

The only rifles chambered in 30-30 with detachable magazines that I am aware of are the bolt action Remington 788, Savage 40/45 Super Sporters, and the Savage 340 series. The Savage 340s were also sold under the Stevens and Springfield brands by Savage and as house-brand rifles for Western Auto, Montgomery Wards, etc.

If you do a search under "30-30" in the bolt action rifles section of GunBroker, you're likely to come up with a page or more of them in a variety of conditions and prices.

JEff

Or how about a Marlin 1894 in 32-20, either a new one or an old one. That combo has been working for lots of country folks for a hundred years.

Don't over look the 7.62x39. I find myself reaching for my Mini Mauser in this caliber more and more.

I like low range more or less .30 cal rounds. I have my Mini, a Savage 23c (.32-20), a Savage 340 and my old Marlin 336RC.

I bought the 23c already modified, barrel shortened to 20", drilled and tapped and reblued. A shop in Texas City loaded me a crap load of Hornady 95GR. XTP. I keep this rifle in Ky. as my bum around rifle.

For the little .30's I go from 100 gr to 150 grain loads, with several, "cat's sneeze", versions. My favorite is with the Speer plinker bullets,110gr. I use BlueDot for almost all of these loads.

I wonder if one of the new Ruger 77,.357 rifles could be re barreled to .32-20?

Might have an overall length issue. And from what I hear, Ruger mags are super caliber specific. I had a Browning model 53 32-20 that I let go of, and it was sweet. But I was in the habit of buying and selling with little thought and it is gone. Stock Savage 23 gone too.

I wonder how close the 327 is to the 32-20 when both are in modern rifles. Article by Richard Mann in Shooting Illustrated says the Marlin cowboy 32 H&R (which I have) can be rechambered simply by reaming with no further modification needed. A post on a Marlin forum said the rated pressure of the round exceeded the rating of the action, but you wonder if that accounts for the smaller diameter case and reduced bolt thrust etc. Would a case full of H110 in one cartridge be less safe than a case full in the other?

Mann also wrote about the 7.62 x 39 as a light all-around gun in it's bolt version for West Virginia hunting. Squirrel to deer and the occasional black bear. Little ones that don't need the 338 mag I guess. A 527 carbine. If I could get the XS sights full length rail with integral ghost ring on that rifle, I would buy that tomorrow. Sold one of those too. There is a pattern here. The quest is continuing.

The 300 BLK rimmed variant needs a few things to be viable in my mind. Fast twist and throated to allow heavy for caliber bullets. Modern case design with modern brass. A parent case that allows relatively easy conversion. Personally, I would choose a rimmed variety over the 300 BLK if both were available from the factory, but that is no more likely than the 7615 in 300 BLK. I do like my lever guns.

But since it is all dreaming, how about the Freedom Group Division Marlin bring out the rimmed 30 x 357 designed for a similar range of bullet weights. 250 gr. bullets are being designed on the cast bullet sites for the 300 BLK already. 250 gr. RNHPPB @ 1050 fps. Tree stand at 50 - 100 yards, what wouldn't it kill? 16" in stainless and laminate for the back door and a longer barrel for quiet un-suppressed use.

Essay W.