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I got to thinking that I spend way too much time on the nuance of ballistic gack and reloading and really just need to add something to the stable that makes so much sense it is sinful to not use it as my go-to rifle ALL the time. Since I hunt in the east, I figure this set up gets it done with a minimum of fuss from coyotes to white tails to black bear:

Out of the box Ruger M77 chambered in .308 Winchester
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 165 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X

Can anyone think of anything more effective and reliable, for less money out the door?

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The rifle will likely need at least a trigger adjustment, and that's too much bullet.

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I went with the 165 instead of the 150 to save meat -- keep impact velocities down, and to increase the likelihood of getting two holes at odd angles and thru bone.

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With the monometal TTSX you'll have no issues with the 150gr.

Cup in core maybe but not mono.


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Speed kills with the Barnes. The higher the impact speed the better. Save meat by not shooting them in it. grin

As to two holes and bone, have you seen Steelhead's pics of the things he's whacked with 130 grain TTSX bullets from the 308 and 300 Savage?


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Good stuff, OK, here we go then, adjusted set-up:

Ruger M77 / .308 Winchester
trigger work
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 150 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X

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Originally Posted by Dogger
Good stuff, OK, here we go then, adjusted set-up:

Ruger M77 / .308 Winchester
trigger work
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 150 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X


Weren't you paying attention to what mathman was saying???

Barnes 130s out of a .308 are about as good as life gets. Prefer the TTSX, but if your rifle shoots the TSX that's cool too. There's nothing I would worry about shooting with them in North America. 46 grains of Varget and TTSXs is so good it's almost criminal.

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Originally Posted by Dogger
Good stuff, OK, here we go then, adjusted set-up:

Ruger M77 / .308 Winchester
trigger work
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 150 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X

Sounds good I have had a similar thought pattern running through my head as of late.


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With the possible exception of the 98 Mauser action, the Ruger and Winchester CRF actions are probably the most reliable out there.
The 4X Leupold is another that is legendary in it's reliability.
Nobody I've met, who ever hunted a .308 much, had any misgivings about it.
I would, however, do a trigger job, or replace the factory unit if it doesn't come out as it should, and go with a free floated barrel. I've found such setups hold zero over the long haul very reliably and make the use of a shooting sling practical.
Last of all, I'd get either a Cling Sling setup or use a military shooting sling. E

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Originally Posted by mathman
The rifle will likely need at least a trigger adjustment, and that's too much bullet.


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The only changes I would make if it were me are:

Winchester Sporter in 30-06 ($649 @ CDNN)
2x7 power scope with German #4 reticle
1" Montana Sling
Run 165 grn to the occasional 180 grn on bear


Edit: BTW, I have an FNH made Winchester. The new trigger on the Winchesters are fantastic. Also, the one piece metal base plate is far superior to the two piece on the older Winchester and current Ruger rifles.

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For me it would be a Remington 700 KS stainless in 30/06. We've had dozens of guys here over the years from Alaska using 700's and I don't recall any of them saying the 700 wasn't dead nuts reliable.

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Originally Posted by Dogger
I got to thinking that I spend way too much time on the nuance of ballistic gack and reloading and really just need to add something to the stable that makes so much sense it is sinful to not use it as my go-to rifle ALL the time. Since I hunt in the east, I figure this set up gets it done with a minimum of fuss from coyotes to white tails to black bear:

Out of the box Ruger M77 chambered in .308 Winchester
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 165 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X

Can anyone think of anything more effective and reliable, for less money out the door?


I have that rifle. An all weather Hawkeye I found it used for a good price. Different scope and ammo, but for the money I completely agree with you. I have other rifles I like better, but doubt if any are more reliable out of the box. The others aren't much more accurate either, even though they cost much more.


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Put a decent 3-9 on there and you'll have a much nicer rig. It's the 21st century, no reason at all to handicap yourself with a fixed 4X.

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While they do have a pretty good rep, I've had and seen enough problems with Remington 600/700 rifles not to call them "stone nuts reliable."
I've had bolt releases jam open, seen trigger get enough goo in them, usually from the opening for the safety, and even a busted extractor or two. To say nothing of having them lock up if the ammo was too hot.
I've had one Ruger, with a super hot load and one 98 Mauser with same extract and eject the fired case with the primer completely gone. Never seen a Remington that could do that. E

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Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Put a decent 3-9 on there and you'll have a much nicer rig. It's the 21st century, no reason at all to handicap yourself with a fixed 4X.


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Originally Posted by Dogger
I got to thinking that I spend way too much time on the nuance of ballistic gack and reloading and really just need to add something to the stable that makes so much sense it is sinful to not use it as my go-to rifle ALL the time. Since I hunt in the east, I figure this set up gets it done with a minimum of fuss from coyotes to white tails to black bear:

Out of the box Ruger M77 chambered in .308 Winchester
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 165 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X

Can anyone think of anything more effective and reliable, for less money out the door?


And the first thing you got hit with was a quibble about ballistic gack.

I love the campfire... wink


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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Originally Posted by Dogger
I got to thinking that I spend way too much time on the nuance of ballistic gack and reloading and really just need to add something to the stable that makes so much sense it is sinful to not use it as my go-to rifle ALL the time. Since I hunt in the east, I figure this set up gets it done with a minimum of fuss from coyotes to white tails to black bear:

Out of the box Ruger M77 chambered in .308 Winchester
Leupold 4X scope
Uncle Mike's Mountain Sling
Factory Federal 165 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X

Can anyone think of anything more effective and reliable, for less money out the door?


And the first thing you got hit with was a quibble about ballistic gack.

I love the campfire... wink


And the naysayers(whose worthy opinions I otherwise have very high regard for... grin ) regarding the 4X scope.

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Originally Posted by Eremicus
While they do have a pretty good rep, I've had and seen enough problems with Remington 600/700 rifles not to call them "stone nuts reliable."
I've had bolt releases jam open, seen trigger get enough goo in them, usually from the opening for the safety, and even a busted extractor or two. To say nothing of having them lock up if the ammo was too hot.
I've had one Ruger, with a super hot load and one 98 Mauser with same extract and eject the fired case with the primer completely gone. Never seen a Remington that could do that. E


No offense Eremicus, but everything you just stated was shooter/owner neglect. Poor/unsafe loading techniques and lack of basic maintenance aren't rifle problems.





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