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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
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reference the sierra 170grain JHC bullet in the .41 mag, hodgdens online is showing two max loads at 1887fps with different powders.
I haven't done that yet. I remember reading somewhere where a guy would buy those old cast iron skillets to shoot with that load just to watch them fly apart. Got to try that some time.
I do have some 10mm loads with a 135grain nosler that i haven't run through the chrony yet that should be quite speedy.

two powders i was refering to was 110 and 296


Same powder different can....Bob


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Originally Posted by Eremicus
Maybe, Kevin. The hottest pressure tested loads I can find for the 10mm run about 1150-1170 fps. with a 200 gr. bullet.
In the 41 Magnum, 210 gr. loads with slightly longer barrels run 1400-1425 fps.
As far as penetration goes, I've punched through 3 end to end 2.5 gal water jugs with Double Taps 200 gr. wide flat points in the 10. That's what the standard swagged lead loads from the .44 Magnum do. The same stuff Elmer Keith used to shoot through the frontal plates on big range bulls. Just what anyone would need more penetration for is beyond me. E


If you have a 10mm and don't reload, look no further than Double Tap. One of their 200 grain loads goes a claimed 1,275 fps, while the other goes 1,300 fps. Double Tap as a business was started in response to the emasculation of the 10mm by ammo manufacturers.


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Thanks Bob, I was thinking someone else besides DM also had killed a cat that posted in a thread on AR in the past few years, could not locate it but do recall it was a Taurus and he used 170s (though handloads) at a mild 1100-1200 range.

No matter. Good info on the Gold Dots, read a good review on them in 357 for rifles in 158gr for larger game. Looks like the 210 JSP are fine for deer.

Any idea on how the XTPs penetrate/retain.

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...on the XTPs....my guess would be that they will penetrate much better than the Gold Dots but maybe not as far as the Remington SPs when the velocity is equal.

All of the .41/210s have the same sectional density so it is going to be a matter of how fast they open up slowing down penetration.

Gold Dots open up very fast. Those bullets above were caught in the second to third gallon jugs of water. Compare the diameter of the HP to any other HP...even if that nose doesn't open up it has a meplat the size of most hardcast bullets to work with.

Fired on the same day this 200 grain Speer HP ran through 6 jugs of water, one 3/4" sheet of marine plywood and the stuck in the face of the second sheet. Nose expanded and peeled off in the first two jugs and then it just became a flying ashcan...

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Most HPs can't penetrate like this because they keep expanding....I miss this bullet and the 146/.357 and 225/.44. The machine that made these since the 1960s wore out a few years ago and the decision was made not to retool... Long time friend Alan Jones who was editor of the Speer reloading manual gave me a tour of the factory in 2003. When I suggested that Speer add a .45 to that line of bullets he warned me that once the machine was beyond repair the whole line was history...and so it came to pass a few years later. I spoke to Corbin and they said if I supplied a bullet they would make a die to duplicate it...maybe one day...

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I do reload. What I've found is that, due to the 10's small case, it can go critical very easily.
I'm really impressed with double Tap's 200 gr. wide flat point bullet and their quick, friendly serice. The 200 gr. ammo, however apparently clocks about 1150 fps.
There is some less than full power ammo out there. Federal's HydraShok ammo is only loaded to about 980 fps with their 180 gr. bullet. Reminnton's UMC 180 gr. FMJ and CCI's aluminium cased stuff is also loaded light. But the premium stuff like that from Hornady and Winchester appears to be right where it needs to be. E

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E, maybe your gun is slow. It's possible. I have chronographed a lot of different loads from DT and they usually exceed the claimed velocities.


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Actually a little hard to compare the 2...........if one want's a revolver, get the 41; if a semi-auto is preferred, get the 10mm.

The 10mm can never really equal the 41, when the 41 is loaded to its potential, especially with heavier bullets.

I've killed a number of deer with the 41 in a S&W M-57; don't have a 10mm & really see no need for one. The 41 works just fine given a decent chance.

For hunting, I think a revolver is much superior to a semi-auto, thus the 41 is my choice. For SD, I'm happy with the 45 ACP & have no desire or need for a 10mm.

YMMV

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Well they do make 10s in the 610 S&W, but not my thing, love the 610 4" config, but wish that were a 657 wink Not interested in moon clips.

Sure the 41 has more capacity, though running an auto, you save the lost gas on a wheelgun cylinder gap.

Comparing ballistics is like doing S&S scope comparisons....some will Win the test over....yet odds are perhaps they will all do a good job.

MM- agree the 41 is more gun. Just wondering how sure a killer is that 10 w/best of loads and good shot placement...on deer/hogs.

In 45, what load do you like btw for defense? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by 65BR


In 45, what load do you like btw for defense? Thanks.


For CCW carrying, it's either 230 gr. Federal HydraShoks or 200 gr +P Speer Gold Dots.

For handloading, I use:

230 Bullets........5.0 gr of SOLO 1000 or 7.5 gr of Power Pistol for around 850 FPS

200 Gr bullets......5.3 gr of SOLO 10000 or 8.0 gr of Power Pistol for around 950 FPS (SOLO 1000 is very low flash)

For legal reasons, I prefer to use factory ammo in my carry guns.

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