Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Alaska 10mm 220gr Hard Cast enough Grizzly?

Doesn't Glock advise against shooting non-jacketed bullets?

I don't know, but the DT 200gr HC FN bullets are gas checked, and give me no problems in my stock G20. I know others have reported the same.

I saw a video of Ted Nugent braining a Cape Buff with his 10mm Glock.

It was a multiple shot deal on a previously arrow wounded bull but it sure enough dumped the bull. He shot it 3 or 4 times in about 1 � seconds.

If you are more comfortable with your Glock that would be my choice.

I regularly carry a 45 ACP with a flat nose hard cast 230gr at 900fps in grizzly country. I have killed about a dozen steers for slaughter with that load and it will penetrate the skull with no problem. Bear skulls are thinner.

The trick is getting the grizzly to stand there like a steer for the brain shot...

If a steer is the measure of effectiveness, just carry a .22 rifle.

Not so handy.

A steer head is actually a pretty good measure and contrary to urban legend the 22 LR out of a pistol is not reliable on unconfined steers on a one shot basis.

The hard cast 230gr bullet would reliably penetrate the skull completely and be in the neck.

Pretty much going to have to hit the CNS at some point if you want to stop a bear attack with a pistol as apposed to simply killing a bear at some point in time. Point is the 10mm with a good hard cast bullet will do as well as about anything and be quicker with follow up shots than something silly like the S&W .460.

Of course having killed a few critters with a handgun and hardcast bullets one learns of the effectiveness of such things.

It's not even reliable on unconfined hogs. That's why I stated rifle.

Nice critters John. Is that your 10mm in the pictures?

No that is a 45-70 (.454 Casull running 350gr WLN at 1600fps) that fits in a holster.

My point is that I would prefer a good 45 ACP (or 10MM) and load over that revolver if you were going to stick me in a room (or tent) with a pissed off grizzly because until the brain pan is punched the bear is going to still chew on my sorry ass and more shots per second will aid in getting that brain shot.

On a side note I do appreciate you not ridiculing our �Midget Moose� and �Toy Bears� down here in Wyoming.

I have a Glock SF 10mm with the 6" Lone Wolf barrel & I'd like some advice on the best all around factory load for big game as well as bear medicine.

Thanks,
Jeff

Ditto. I carried my .454 when I was HUNTING in Alaska, but I probably would have rather had my G20 with 200gr HCs for a self-defense situation. It's counterintuitive, but until someone can give me an actual real-world scenario where shots from a good handgun load in 10mm, .45 ACP, .41 RM, etc ... has actually caused a bear to become a more aggressive and effective killer, I will continue to avoid the commonly-held theory that they actually do so. Arguably, you're going to be more likely to get a good brain shot with one. But also, I still have not heard of one single actual real story where a bear shot with any handgun accelerated toward the shooter after being hit in the brain, chest, butt, or just the muzzle blast of a 10mm, .45 ACP, .41 RM, etc. If it's happened, it's happened, but I've never heard of such a real incident. I've only heard of the idea that you've got to break down a bear's CNS in one shot or you're dead, and shooting at a charging bear with anything less than a .500 JRH will get you kilt. In recent times, I've come to question that home-spun wisdom for lack of a single substantiating example, much less any significant number of examples.

Dober,
Didn't you try to talk him into 7 Mashburn?? Yeah, for anykind of bear I would go to a rifle and for grizzly I would go to the 20mm mentioned earlier in the thread...no such thing as over-kill!


Johnny $

not sure how realistic this is but interesting anyway. guns are a 5.5 S&W 460V and Glock 29 10mm

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ETHPYuuPms

2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZicahVgn0UA

3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDEy3RJdjhs

I like Glocks and the 10mm G20 for a S-A 'bear gun. But change out that barrel for a fully-supported [chamber] one!!

I had a kaboom with a G23 this past July, using factory ammo. Yeah that sorta thing gets a fellow's attention! Wish i had swapped out the stock-Glock barrel before I learned how bad a fully-un-supported barrel can be.

Bar-Sto barrels are @$200, and a good add-on in my opinion. With one of those installed that Buffalo Bore ammo shouldn't be unsafe - I would think. If/or when I get my G20 10mm, thats what I will do besides installing Ashley Express sights, is also install a Bar-Sto barrel!

Hope you catch lots of salmon and halibut in AK.

if i go with the glock I'd use an extended barrel with 2 ports.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=944&CAT=236

ADDED: I agree a long gun is the best weapon to deal with any bruin, but esp a GRIZZLY even in the contiguous 48 states.

For the lower-48 I'd likely chose a Nosler PARTITION 180 or 200 grainer in the .308Win and .30/06 respectively; or a 160 in the .280Rem or 300 grainer in a .45/70. All cartridges that I shoot.

However if I found myself headed to the 49th state, preferably a carbine length .45/70 Marlin Guide Gun or 20inch .375 H&H bolt-gun would be my picks around fishing holes and brownies.

In twelve gauge ammo, I already have the two most powerful loads available for ANY bears [via a camp gun] Winchester Partition Gold's and Remington 1 3/8oz Buckhammer's - both in 3 inch! Both loads generate 3400+ FPE and 3200+ FPE, respectively, and are more powerful than an '06. Each of those rounds either makes a .50 or .72 caliber hole going in.

The last nine days of my float bear hunt last September (after I got my bear and was in constant celebration mode with some fishing and unsuccessful wolf hunting mixed in), I was REALLY, REALLY glad I brought a pistol, so I didn't have to lug my rifle (or a shotgun) around every second or worry about perhaps needing to use it in the tent:



Much more comfortable than a rifle or shotgun, and the 360gr HC bullet moving at 1,500 fps would be more than necessary IMO. I would have felt fine with my 10mm.

That's a mighty-fine looking grayling!!

Good fer yoo!!

Thanks. We were in a place that no one ever goes to except for my guide and his hunters--far away from everything and accessible only by a float plane coming in, and you have to get 48 miles down stream to get picked up (input lake is too small to take off with a load). So, we were fishing fish that likely never had been fished before. It was sooo easy, it almost got boring for me after a while--catching one good fish for about every third cast (when they were jumping).

Good for breakfast:

I caught some decent Grayling in the Chena near Fairbanks and some really nice ones in the Talkeetnas but I never saw one that big. I always heard Iliamna had some huge ones.

MarineHawk,

A few years ago a couple of bowhunters after elk here in Montana ran into a sow grizzly with cubs that acted aggressive. One of the guys had a .45 ACP and started shooting, hitting the bear somewhere. She charged and got him down, and was tearing the hell out of him when his companion chased the bear away with pepper spray. Luckily the first guy lived.

Example of one, but you were asking about real-life examples of bears becoming more aggressive after being shot with handguns.