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#4132981 - 06/01/10 04:19 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: fish head]
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Originally Posted By: fish head
How about a rifle for all conditions.

It could be stamped:

.280 rem, 7mm express, 7mm-06, .280 whelan

Four in one. Talkin' about getting your monies worth. Huh.

That would end a lot debates on ....... vs ........

Pure genius from a marketing standpoint.


fish head


Can't be done -- because while the .280 Remington and 7mm Express are exactly the same case, the 7mm-06 is not. It is based on a .30-06 case, and is enough shorter in the shoulder length that you can't load .280/7mm Express brass in true, genuine 7mm-06 chambers. Assuming that the ".280 Whelen" is based on nothing but a Whelen case necked down to .284 -- you won't be able to chamber .280/7mm Express catridges in it either.

So you have a minimum of two, and perhaps three, chambers and cases for them described...

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#4133514 - 06/01/10 07:15 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: muledeer]
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Dead on, Dennis.

The ones that got out marked 7mm-06 were a mistake............as soon as somebody at Rem pulled their head outta their azz, that got changed, right quick like.

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#5758675 - 10/29/11 01:41 AM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: MontanaMan]
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Yep, the .280 Remington is a necked down 30-06 with a pressure limit of 50,000 cup and the shoulder moved forward so it couldn’t be chambered in a .270 Winchester.
The .280 was set at this lower pressure because it was 50,000 introduced in Remington’s semi-automatic and pump-action rifles of the 1950’s, which were not designed for higher pressure.
In 1979 Remington introduced the 7mm Express in bolt-action rifles only, (I have a 7mm Express) and this round as has a working pressure of 52,000 cup 2,000 cup more than the .280. I have a Remington reloading manual from 1980 and it lists both the 7mm Express and the .280 and shows the difference in max working pressure as listed above. Dimensionally they are the identical and if used in old autoloaders the lower pressure load of the .280 should be used, but in modern bolt action and semi-auto rifles 52,000 cup or so, the pressure design of the 7mm Express and could be used. The 7mm Express and new .280 are being condemned to the lower pressure of the 1950’s .280 pressure loads which I see in most reloading manuals in the 48,000 cup range and this cheats the 7mm Express owners and .280 bolt action rifle owners out of the potential of this excellent cartridge.
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#5758965 - 10/29/11 06:48 AM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: JohnMoses]
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I'll bet that anytime you find a seller at a gunshow with one stamped 7MM Express, he'll provide evidence (through pricing) that it is far superior to the .280.

On a related note, Remington missed a golden marketing opportunity. They could have kept the 7MM Express name for the .280 and renamed their belted 7MM the 7MM Excess and had a matched set of catchy names.
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#5760140 - 10/29/11 03:32 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: Middlefork_Miner]
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Originally Posted By: Middlefork_Miner
How bout a 6.8-06 vs. .270 thread?

LMAO


Well since the .270 is actually a 6.8-03 it would have a touch more capacity....just saying grin
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#5760207 - 10/29/11 04:02 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: JohnMoses]
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Originally Posted By: JohnMoses
laugh


laugh indeed !
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#5760220 - 10/29/11 04:05 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Experience can be so hard to come by, what with leaving the house and all.


Now, that's funny right there. grin
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#5760226 - 10/29/11 04:06 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: Reloder28]
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Well, Remington chose the 280 over the 7mm Express. That oughta count for something....I mean nothing.
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#5760306 - 10/29/11 04:41 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: JohnMoses]
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Originally Posted By: JohnMoses
laugh



I don't understand the question confused....could you repeat it? sick


cool smile


Edited by BobinNH (10/29/11 04:42 PM)
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#5761051 - 10/29/11 08:29 PM Re: Which is the best? 7MM Express or the .280 Remington [Re: muledeer]
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Muledeer: I have owned and successfully Hunted with both "calibers/cartridges" in question here.
I specifically remember the reason the fine folks at Big Green "changed" the caliber designation of the 7mm Remington Express back to 280 Remington - and that reason being folks (both buyers/users and sellers) got the 7mm Remington Express "cornfused" with the 7mm Remington Magnum!
The 280 Remington (7mm Remington Express) is one of the finest of Remingtons proprietary cartridges and no matter what it is called this cartridge works wonders on game up to and including Elk, IME!
Hold into the wind
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