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John, It just hit me. The data you mention for the 9.3x62 using the 250 Accubond and Varget, is 60.5 gr. I've look net wide to find such published data and only one place rewards me with 60.5 gr. Loaddata.com's data which references Handloader magazine, #250, Dec 2007. This shot from a CZ550, 23.6" barrel and pressure tested under 60k psi. Now, I'm going to assume that is your load, published by you. If not, I apologize. I'd lay rewared where it is due. No other manufacture of load data, bullets, powder, etc, lists 60.5 gr of Varget of the 250 Accubond or any other 250 gr 9.3 bullet. If it was indeed your data.... 1. How did you come up with said data? 2. Did you use what we refer to as looking for typical pressure signs; ie, difficult bolt lift, velocity, measuring CHE, primer signs (poor signs), etc.? 3. Did you SWAG it? Educated guess? Pay a witch doctor for help?  4. Did you confer with ballistic reps at Nosler, Hodgdon or elsewhere? 5. Once you obtained the 60.5 gr data, I assume you had it pressure tested by Ramshot (?) since you seem to have a very good relationship with them.? Did you notice an increase or decrease in accuracy with each increase in powder charge with this bullet/powder combination? My best accuracy with my Pre 64 M70 and 24" Pacnor barrel seemed to be in the 2400-2550 fps range with 3-shot groups running sub 1/4-1/2 MOA. As soon as I went above 2550 fps, groups opened up to 3/4 to 1.25 MOA; which is fine for it's intended purpose. Basically, I'm wondering if you, like many of us out here in "Handloader Land", pus hed the published envelope a skootch more than the books say and use our years, possibly decades, of knowledge and experience? Please don't interpret this post as a flaming arrow. I appreciate you knowledge and advice as a gunwriter. Oh, and if you need to be politically correct, I understand. Do the best you can with your answers.  Alan
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Alan,
Yep, that was my data.
I never had that particular load pressure-tested.
I did have the load of 62.0 grains of Reloder 15 and a 250-grain pressure-tested, and it got around 60,000 psi. I used that powder charge with 250's for a while, but one day when I was getting ready to go on a hunt in South Africa my supply of RL-15 was a little low. There wasn't any available locally, or time to order any.
I've always gotten good results with Varget, which is normally just slightly faster than RL-15, so tried Nosler's data, starting with the maximum load (56.5 grains) because they stick to older pressure standards of well under 60,000 psi. As I recall the initial test loads went up to 59 grains or so, and all shot sub-MOA for 3-shot groups at 100 yards, normaly for my rifle with about any load.
The muzzle velocity of my pressure-tested 62.0 RL-15 load was around 2650 fps, and the top load of Varget didn't get there. So I did a little calculating and figured 60.5 grains would result in 2650 or so. (This is easily done with single-based powders like Varget because velocity increases at the same rate as the powder charge.)
60.5 grains also shot into less than an inch and muzzle velocity was right around 2650. I loaded up 50 rounds of ammo and took it to Africa, and have used that load with 250's ever since. It never has shown the slightest indication of high pressure, even at 90-degree temperatures, and I would bet an 8-pound jug of Varget that it gets right around 60,000 psi.
I noticed in one of your previous posts that you use 65 or 66 grains Big Game with 286's. Where did you come up with that load?
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Alan,
I noticed in one of your previous posts that you use 65 or 66 grains Big Game with 286's. Where did you come up with that load?
John, LOL, my notes say I got it from you  Alan ![[Linked Image]](http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/GSSP/Pre%2064%20M70%2093x62/IMG_20101106_164942.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/GSSP/Pre%2064%20M70%2093x62/IMG_20101106_172426.jpg)
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John, what is your load for the 286 gr Partition using Varget or Re15?
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I've never tried Varget or RL-15 with 286's.
The very first 9.3x62 I loaded for was purchased for a friend from a local store. Before sending it to him I loaded for it just to see what would happen, trying IMR4895 and H4350 with 286's., which were recommended by many people back when the 9.3x62 was rare in the U.S. Neither worked all that great; H4350 was too slow and IMR4895 too fast.
I bought my own 9.3x62 a decade ago and tried Big Game right away with 286's, since it was right between IMR4895 and H350 in burning rate. It shot so well, both in terms of velocity and accuracy, that I've never fooled with anything else since.
Based on my experience with Varget and RL-15 and 250's, however, I'd say that around 57-58 grains of Varget would be about max, and 58-59 grains of RL-15. However, I must also note that Varget doesn't seem to vary much between lots, but I've seen RL-15 vary as much as two grains in cases the size of the 9.3x62.
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When it comes to the 9.3x62, I'll be the first to say, for the most part, I'm not a pioneer. I discovered it here on the CF and the AR. I've simply followed suit and mimicked John's and others examples. When John said he used Varget or Big Game for the 250 Accubond or 286 Partition, I got in step. Where I did diverge and break away from the pack is having Leupold install the CDS elev turret system on my VX3 1.75-6 and make the 250 Accubond load a combination I can use out to 470-685 yds (near sea level to my 10,500' mountain elevations). I bought three of the turrets; 500', 5500' and 10,500', since the 2nd and 3rd turrets were 1/2 the price of the 1st. For those individuals who claim the 9.3x62's max range should be no further than about 300 yds, better grab your oxygen. The 3rd, 10,500', turret will take me out to 620 yds, not that i'd use it that far. Something of interest. The 250 AB @ 2600 fps drops about 5" more than a 180 Ballistic Tip/AccuBond in 30 cal @ 2700 fps (30-06!) @ 500 yds.
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I must also note that Varget doesn't seem to vary much between lots, but I've seen RL-15 vary as much as two grains in cases the size of the 9.3x62. I found the same thing with RL 15 in my 35 Whelen switching to Varget solved that, got great accuracy too and it costs less.
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Thanks for the reply, John. That actually fits perfectly with my experience using IMR4320.
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Alan,
Yep, that was my data.
I noticed in one of your previous posts that you use 65 or 66 grains Big Game with 286's. Where did you come up with that load?
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Any of you gents have info for the Accubond in a x74R you
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... I've seen RL-15 vary as much as two grains in cases the size of the 9.3x62. I have two lots of RL15 noticeably different in density. With my Redding BR-30 set to throw 42 grains of the light lot, it throws 43.6 grains of the heavy one. Interestingly those two charge/lot combinations shoot about the same under a 168 in my 308 rifles.
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John,
I wold like to thank you for the data for the 9.3X62 that you published awhile ago. It made a noramally long and intensive search for good loads very short. My CZ550 shots yours so well that I have no need to look further.
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John,
Would you use a 9.3x62 for Water Buffalo like we get here in Australia? I notice a few Ruger African's chambered in this cartridge which has peaked my interest.
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Would anyone have a .338 WM and a 9.3X62? Overlap? I like both,but need room in the safe...
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I'm not JB alias MD but when i decided to go hunting water buff in Australia last year i asked my guide if my 9,3x62 would be enough. Answer was "yes without restrain if you use good bullets, will be as good as 375H&H". I choose to take my lever action in .50AK cal but will use 9,3 in Africa next year.
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Hi GSSP,
I'm using and loading 9,3x62 for years in France, not having access to RL15 or Varget i use VN140 and VN540 wich are very close to them, with loads close or a bit higher than that of JB. Velocity is very close to his one and with no pressure excess sign. The 9,3x62 is loaded to lower pressure than cartridges using same case head and capacity because of the old standard of 1905 that are references for manufacturers. Loading to a bit higher pressure is easily done without risk in our modern rifles and cases. Never a 330WM the 9,3x62 is even better today with a bit more velocity than at the beginning of XXth century.
From my experience with french and finnish powders, with RWS, Norma or Lapua cases and most commun bullets we find today i'm sure you can use without problem the datas of MD.
In my Steyr Prohunter i can push 800m/s the 250NBT (no accubond)and get less than moa at 100m for 5 shots if i do my best. Not from Lead Sled but from and old Millet plastic rest...
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PS: The Ramshot powders (Tac, Big Game, Hunter, Magnum) used by JB are franco/belgian powders we use under an other name with the same results as JB.
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LowBC,
I haven't taken any buffalo with the 9.3x62. Tried to in Africa in September, but had already shot a really nice one with my .416 and never found one I wanted to shoot with the 9.3x62, though I carried it (with my PH's blessings--and he had seen others in action) for several stalks. It is so close to the .375 H&H that I doubt anybody could see the difference, though no doubt some ballistic hair-splitter would disagree.
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John,
I have used both for more than 30 years, killed literally tons of big game with both, and always tell anyone who asks about the 9.3X62 that it is a 375 with five in the magazine.
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Gentlemen,
Thank you very much for your responses. Is there a preference for any particular bullet weight? I read in my Nosler No.5 manual that the fella reckons it has a range of 180 yards...the trajectory of a 250 sure doesn't look like that.
Any thoughts?
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Would anyone have a .338 WM and a 9.3X62? Overlap? I like both,but need room in the safe... I have both. Not sure that I need both, but I seem to find uses for each. My 9.3x62 has a 20 inch barrel while the 338WM has a 24. My 9.3 is also a bit lighter by about 3/4 pound. The 9.3 is built on a Charles Daily CRF action while the 338 is on a 700. Distinctly different guns with similar ballistic capabilities, at least out to 300 yards, after 300 yards the 338 shines.
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I also have both a .338 Winchester Magnum and a 9.3x62.
The .338 has a 22" barrel, the 9.3x62 a 23.6". They're both fairly light rifles, the .338 7-3/4 pounds scoped, the 9.3x62 8 pounds. In recent years I've used the .338 mostly with bullets of around 200 grains at 2900-3000 fps, and find that it works great, killing more quickly than with heavier bullets, and recoiling less.
With heavier bullets I tend to use the 9.3x62, since it just about matches the .338's muzzle velocity with 250's (around 2650 fps), with noticeably less recoil. With 286's it's a great killer at the moderate ranges typical of African thornbush or American timber hunting.
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Mule Deer - Since this is a 9.3 thread and we are also discussing the 338, I have a question and would value your opinion.
I have an upcoming spring grizz hunt scheduled for mid May. This will be my first large bear hunt, I have taken blackies which of course are not in the same class. The 2 rifles I have in mind are the 338 and 9.3. For the 338 I have 210 and 250 NP slugs, for the 9.3 250 Barnes TSX, 270 Speer hotcor and 286 NP. I would not use the 232 Norma for grizz.
I can shoot both just fine and I suspect ranges should be 200 yards or less on this class game. What is your rec?
Thanks for your input!
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Either round, and any of the bullets except the 270 Speer. It's a good deer bullet and would probably work, but a grizzly hunt is too important for probably.
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JB or others,
If you couldn't get Big Game powder to use with the 286grain projectile, what would be your next favourite powder, assuming it hasn't changed from the data listed above.
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It's also hard to beat Varget--or as you know it in Oz, AR2208.
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I couldn't squeeze you for an idea on what you would run 2208/varget at with a 286 grain partition or the like if possible? Should it be close on replicating the Big Game performance?
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If anyone's interested, Real Guns.com has a reloading page for the 9.3 X 62mm. It covers most available bullets and appropriate powders, including RL-15 and Big Game. All data was taken from a Ruger Hawkeye African with 23" barrel. I was particularly struck with their results from RL-17, both in velocity and accuracy. It appeared slightly better than Big Game. So that intrigued me, and I bought some. At first it appeared to be a total flop--way too slow. My max load from RL-15 was giving 2463 fps with sub-moa from the 22.4" barrel of my Tikka. That's from a 286 Hornady. The suggested top load from Real Guns (their data) was giving 2500+ fps from RL-17 and MOA from the 286 NP. With the same load, I was just under 2400 with erratic velocity. But after further discussion with a friend and more calculations, I decided to give it another try knowing it's burning rate was supposedly close to IMR 4350. I went 4 grs over their suggested max and was still less than 2500 fps, but matched my RL-15 load in both velocity and accuracy. In fact, it shoots to the exact POI as the RL-15 load! But there appears to be less stress on the brass, from measurements and observation. So, I'm going to try 1 to 1.5 more grains that may give 2500 fps without undo stress. We'll see. Just thought I'd mention it. And, BTW, it was JB's article in HANDLOADER (referred to above) that sparked my interest in the 9.3 X 62. Thanks John. I am a fan of mediums as well as real Big Bores. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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LowBC,
I would work up toward 57-58 grains of Varget as a maximum with 286's. It should come pretty close to Big Game.
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Glad I could be a bad influence!
That's interesting about RL-17. I would have thought it a little too slow myself.
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Thanks JB and others. I will let you know how my load development progresses.
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All I can say is that MD's 9,3x62 data has worked pretty well for me...... ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/djpaintles/9-3x62-Custom-Group-and-loa.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/djpaintles/93x62-improvements-008.jpg) The 250gr X bullets have shot so well in this and 2 other rifles I haven't bothered with other bullets yet..................dj
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Gentlemen,
Thank you very much for your responses. Is there a preference for any particular bullet weight? I read in my Nosler No.5 manual that the fella reckons it has a range of 180 yards...the trajectory of a 250 sure doesn't look like that.
Any thoughts? I would agree - there is no way in the world the 9.3x62 is limited to 180 yards. Clearly with an AB with a BC of .5, and starting at 2600 fps it is good for a long way out. The references to it as a short range cartridge are due to its original intent in Africa, throwing very heavy bullets at very moderate velocities. As Mule Deer suggests, the 9.3x62 now makes a very good alternative to a 338 Win Mag loaded with heavier bullets. The 338 Win Mag only has a significant ballistic advantage out beyond 300yards, and are you really going the be using your rifle at those ranges? For most applications of the 9.3x62 and .338 Win Mag, i'd suggest not. The 9.3x62 is the more efficient cartridge at the ranges most of us actually hunt at. The .338 though remains a more versatile cartridge.
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Mine, with the 250 Accubond @ 2600 fps and the Leupold CDS elevation turret is a 600 yd rifle. I've already proven it to myself.
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Having had a 338/06, I am very inclined to go w/a 9.3 on my next mid bore, as I think it kicks things up a notch, not that a 33 won't work well, they do also.
I think you are set Alan. Elmer Keith used his 44 that far w/250s IIRC, at less than half that mv....no doubt you are slinging a chunk at a good clip. He would surely endorse a 9.3x62.
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Any of you gents have info for the Accubond in a x74R you
could share? Shooting in No.1 and SSK Encore barrel.
57 grains N135, 250 Accubond. 9.3X74R. A moderate load, that is a tack driver in my BBF97 Blaser.
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I should pick the rifle up in the next week or two so will have all the components ready to rock and roll when it arrives. I am loving all these 9.3 stories, it is building the excitement greatly particularly as our roar is only a coupleof months away :-)
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LowBC. 58 grains of 2208 is an accurate load under the Woodleigh 286 PPSN, RNSP and Lapua 285 RNSP Mega have been useing since 2009. It is an accurate load that comes up again and again if you search enough.
I now go with the RNSP Woodleigh. I also load the 250 Nosler AB over >60.5 grns of 2208 but only once in new Lapua brass as it is a max load. It is extremely accurate but I wish they still made the 250BT in 9.3.
The 2011 Woodleigh website gallery has a number of pictures of African PG I have taken with the 9.3x62.
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Alan,
Yep, that was my data.
I noticed in one of your previous posts that you use 65 or 66 grains Big Game with 286's. Where did you come up with that load?
Just for reference purposes.... Cheers! -Bob F. John, Getting a touch of senility there, Ay? Alan Anyone recall what brass was used? I see from Alan's post and pics, that the WLR was the primer of choice. Also, how would the load data for the 250gr Barnes X compare with the 250gr TSX or TTSX? For that matter, what might be considered a starting load for the 250gr TSX and Big Game?
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I use Lapua for mine.
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If it can help:
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Using Norma cases, only partial forming, finnish VN540 powder 4,10g (63,3grs) CCI LR primer, Nosler BT 250grs:
Velocity for 2x5 rounded: 820m/s (2690fps)
Zeroed to 180m (200yards) i have enough elevation in my old S&B 1,5-6x42 to more than 600 yards with enough windage for most of my hunting conditions (can go farther if not too much wind)
Controlled by shooting to 300, 400m and by balistic program, Infinity 6, close enough for real hunting world situations one can meet using a 9,3x62.
I even pushed the enveloppe farther without pressure sign or any problem but i give credit to the tight chamber of the Steyr, so went down to the load above to keep safety margin when temperature climbs.
Enough for all soft skinned game on earth to 400m (or a bit more, around 1600fps left at 600m) with close to 590m/s remaining velocity at 400m...
Far from a 200 yards ammunition!
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This is a great thread Alan. Thanks for starting it. A lot of damn good info here.....
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I'm loading the 9.3x62 with the 250 accubond over 60 gr of Varget in Hornady cases with cci 200 primer. They are fired in a Ruger African M77. Groups are all.under one inch normally .800 or so, with 3x Leupold.
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I'm loading the 9.3x62 with the 250 accubond over 60 gr of Varget in Hornady cases with cci 200 primer. They are fired in a Ruger African M77. Groups are all.under one inch normally .800 or so, with 3x Leupold. Awesome! But then, it's no surprise there. Alan
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Not to hijack the thread but here's some decent data to work with as well. http://www.realguns.com/loads/93x62mm.htm
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I'm loading the 9.3x62 with the 250 accubond over 60 gr of Varget in Hornady cases with cci 200 primer. They are fired in a Ruger African M77. Groups are all.under one inch normally .800 or so, with 3x Leupold. Awesome! But then, it's no surprise there. Alan This is going to RSA next year along with a 7-08 shooting 140 gr accubonds.
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I would work up toward 57-58 grains of Varget as a maximum with 286's. It should come pretty close to Big Game. Would that work with the TSX as well?
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John, isn't the 60.5 grain Varget load for 250's the same as a load you recommended for the .35 Whelen? I'm getting older, so I guess I could be remembering wrong, but that is what I think I read.
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Do you guys see a significant reduction in recoil when you go less than the 286gr bullets?
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Do you guys see a significant reduction in recoil when you go less than the 286gr bullets?
Travis Not really much if any difference between the 250s and the 286s.
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Thanks for your prompt response. I'm going to RSA to a park near Kruger on a cull buffalo hunt in June.
Apparently there are non trophy buffalo coming in from Kruger and deciding to stay.
Should be fun.
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doubletap,
60.5 grains of Varget is Nosler's maximum load for 225's (not 250's) in the .35 Whelen. I've found it to work very well in more than one Whelen.
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It should indeed be fun!
I'm betting the 9.3 with 250 TSX's will work pretty well too. Please keep us informed.
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Do you guys see a significant reduction in recoil when you go less than the 286gr bullets?
Travis Not really much if any difference between the 250s and the 286s. I would agree on that - they feel about the same to me.
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Do you guys see a significant reduction in recoil when you go less than the 286gr bullets?
Travis Not really much if any difference between the 250s and the 286s. I would agree on that - they feel about the same to me. Thanks to both. Travis
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Travis,
I have used more 286 gr loads at around 2400 fps than anything else. They really are not hard to handle at all, and certainly enough for any big game, as has been abundantly evident for well over a century.
And, they shoot flat enough to do so out to 300 yd without any trouble.
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Has anyone tried BL-C(2)with the 286 grain NP in the 9.3X62? I have used BL-C(2)with the 225 grain NP with success in a custom .358 Win that I have but have not tried it with the 9.3X62.
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I haven't tried BLC2 in the 9.3x62, but Hodgdon lists it with the 270 Speer. Looks pretty impressive: 66.0 grains gets 2548 fps at 47,400 CUP. This is considerably more velocity than any other 270-grain bullet load listed.
I'd drop that a couple of grains for any 286, but it looks like it might work very well.
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I worked up my 9.3x62 load in 2000 using the original 250 X pushed by 61 grains of RL-15 in Norma brass. I took it to Africa in 2002 and the combo worked wonderfully, porcupine to eland, no surprise. The one and only rifle I was ever able to get an original X to shoot well in. Velocity was 2630 fps in the FN's 24" barrel. I still have the balance of the original 50 I took over there.
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Do you guys see a significant reduction in recoil when you go less than the 286gr bullets?
Travis I shoot the 320 gr Woodleighs at 2400 fps w/ RL-17 and even they are very well mannered. Gunner
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I'm not saying the 9.3 is rough. I was just asking if there was a difference in recoil between the 250 class and the 285's.
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Concur, I just think the 9.3x62 gives a lot of performance vs said/felt recoil levels, kinda like the sweet little 6.5 Swede.  Gunner
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Has anyone tried these loads in 20" or 22" barrels? I want a shorter barreled gun and am curious.
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Concur, I just think the 9.3x62 gives a lot of performance vs said/felt recoil levels, kinda like the sweet little 6.5 Swede. Gunner Honestly, the only load I have tried is MD's 65gr's of Big Game and the Hornady and Privi. Sub-MOA right out of the gate. That was easy... Travis
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Has anyone tried these loads in 20" or 22" barrels? I want a shorter barreled gun and am curious. Both of mine have 21" barrels, and 2400 fps is easy to attain with 286 gr bullets. Ted
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For a while I had two CZ 550's in 9.3x62, the rifle with a 23.6" barrel and the FS (full-length stocked) model with 20.5" barrel. One day I shot a bunch of the same handloads and factory ammo in both rifles, and the biggest difference in velocity was 88 fps, if I recall correctly, and most were MUCH less.
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Outstanding news Yukoner and Mule Deer, thanks. Very rarely is one told what they want to hear and it's actually true.
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Concur, I just think the 9.3x62 gives a lot of performance vs said/felt recoil levels, kinda like the sweet little 6.5 Swede. Gunner Honestly, the only load I have tried is MD's 65gr's of Big Game and the Hornady and Privi. Sub-MOA right out of the gate. That was easy... Travis Same here, my first [and only] load shot the same, the 9.3 is very easy to like. Gunner
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In my experience with several rifles the 9.3x62 is one of those "inherently accurate" cartridges, despite how much some people dislike the term. I've loaded 232, 250, 270, 286 and 300-grain bullets and can't remember any that didn't go under an inch at 100 yards, and some loads averaged MUCH less.
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Concur, I just think the 9.3x62 gives a lot of performance vs said/felt recoil levels, kinda like the sweet little 6.5 Swede. Gunner Honestly, the only load I have tried is MD's 65gr's of Big Game and the Hornady and Privi. Sub-MOA right out of the gate. That was easy... Travis Same here, my first [and only] load shot the same, the 9.3 is very easy to like. Gunner Me too, I gave up and went with the one with the heavier charge wt with a tad more velocity. One of these days I'll try the BG powder when it is available locally ...Until then, I'll keep running RE15....
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In my experience with several rifles the 9.3x62 is one of those "inherently accurate" cartridges, despite how much some people dislike the term. I've loaded 232, 250, 270, 286 and 300-grain bullets and can't remember any that didn't go under an inch at 100 yards, and some loads averaged MUCH less. Yessir, and if I'm able to shoot groups like that with a 1.5-5 Leupold w/ German #4 reticle, the rifle and cartridge has to be way past spot on accurate. BSA, I'm waiting on the Western Powders to be available in my area too, read a lot of good things about them from JB. Gunner
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bsa,
You run RL-15 with the 286 gr bullets?
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bsa,
You run RL-15 with the 286 gr bullets?
Travis Yep...I feel like I should say GFY
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I know you are better with pictures so GFY right back: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/002-86.jpg) and this: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/001-97.jpg) My rifle is just not picky....Drops cow elk pretty good too. First year out with the ol 9.3x62 and it worked as expected....: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/1118120921.jpg) Oh, I also used RE15 with the el-cheapo 270gr. speers too: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/001-94.jpg)
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Thanks for the information BSA. I may be on my way to RE 15 covering all my bases.
GFY,
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Travis; I've used lots of RL-15 in mine and it is perhaps at it's best with bullets lighter than 286s. I initially chose it because it had worked very well for me in .35 Whelen. .350 Rem Mag and .375 H&H. However, while I recognize that each rifle has its own preferences, I found RL-15 has it's limit at about 60grs in my rifle at 0* C (+32*F)with 286s for accuracy and consistency. That gives between 2450 and 2460 with .80" MOA from Hornadys, but during June through September, with temps at a high 28*C to a low 18*C (82* to 64*F), best accuracy was with 58.5 as also suggested in Nosler's manual, with about 30 fps less. Mine has a 22.4" tube. Just a year ago, almost to the day, I tried RL-17 for the first time. 67grs gave identical results in MV and accuracy on the same day as 60grs of RL-15... BUT, with less pressure. This year (2012), my go-to load is 68grs RL-17 (a tad slower than Big Game), WLRM primers, Hornady brass and Nosler's 286 at about 2550 fps during the hot/warm months and now, in December, 2500 fps+. Accuracy is the same. In the cooler temps I've used 69grs at 2560 fps but accuracy doesn't appear to be quite as good, though certainly good enough. Pressure still appears to be less that using RL-15. COL is at 3.36" and it's a compressed load. If I can get 70grs in and seat the bullet to 3.36", I'll give it a try one of these days... just because! My rifle (Tikka 3 Lite) weighs 7.2 lbs with scope, sling and 1 cartridge. With 3 it goes 7.4 lbs. Recoil with my go-to load is 45 ft-lbs. The above is intended for information ONLY!!! NOT TO BE COPIED without working up in the usual manner. NOTE: Gunner500 gets 2400 fps from the 320 Woodley using RL-17. In momentum that equals a 300gr from a .375 H&H (or any other 375 or anything shooting a 300gr)at 2560 fps and has an SD of .341 (the same as the SD of a 500gr from a .458-cal.). Kinda puts things in perspective! Bob www.bigbores.ca
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I think RL-17 and Big Game is more ideal. But if I can get by with RL-15, I may have found reloading nirvana.
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I keep a good supply of RL-15 on hand, but I tend to work up my loads during the warmest times of the year I'd be using the load. Otherwise, my best loads worked up during the colder times of the year tend to prove too hot during the warmer times of the year. I still lean heavily on RL-15 on my 416 Rem loads, but it is no longer my go to for the 9.3x62 for that reason.
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You had pressure problems with 15 in the summer? That sorta surprises me.
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Worked up a great load with a Nosler Partition during the fall/winter months. Worked well, but same load ended up too hot the following summer. No visible signs of excessive pressure and was dependable during that winter. Had issues with the same load the next summer. After that experience, I started using powders that were less temp sensitive. I'll use my 9.3x62 during the winter in temps down to zero and during the summer in temps as hot as I can stand to hunt. My supply of RL-15 during that time used in my loads has proved sensitive when shot from my personal Sako 9.3x62 and from a friends CZ 9.3x62.
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Very strange and I don't doubt it but my rifle doesn't seem to notice the 60 degree temp drop. I just checked and it was in the dead of summer when I worked on load development, reconfirmed my zero a week before my cow hunt and it was still dead nuts for POI but I did notice my group size was bigger (1 1/2" for 5 shots!!!!). I was pissed so I took it out on that cow laying next to my rifle in the previous pic. It was 35 degrees that morning when I dumped her but I only needed one shot, thank god By the way, the 286 gr. partition worked great even though it was of the blemished type
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Worked up a great load with a Nosler Partition during the fall/winter months. Worked well, but same load ended up too hot the following summer. No visible signs of excessive pressure and was dependable during that winter. Had issues with the same load the next summer. After that experience, I started using powders that were less temp sensitive. I'll use my 9.3x62 during the winter in temps down to zero and during the summer in temps as hot as I can stand to hunt. My supply of RL-15 during that time used in my loads has proved sensitive when shot from my personal Sako 9.3x62 and from a friends CZ 9.3x62. Not calling bullschit, I believe your results, I'm just very surprised by them. Travis
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Travis,
In my experience RL-15 is the most temperature-resistant of the Reloder powders, and it was improved considerably in the late 1990's. But it still isn't as temp-resistant as the Hodgdon Extremes.
It is, however, one of the very best all-around powders for the 9.3x62. I've gotten excellent results with it with bullets from 232 to 300 grains.
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Good to know. It has proven very reliable for me in the temp departments. I'd say I have the most faith in TAC and RL -15 right now. Whatever the [bleep] that is worth. Travis
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I'm not an expert on this matter, but the friend with the CZ is an expert in the field. He spoke in Greek to me about the base and coatings, etc. But the jist I got out of it was that all of the powders are sensitive to some degree to temp. IIRC, they are pressure tested at a certain temp, going above or below that temp will increase or reduce the pressure. Varget, as an example of something I use alot, has a different coating than Reloader 15 which makes it much more temp insensitive over a broader range than the Reloader. He also said something about Reloader being tweaked to reduce this temp sensitivity somewhat because of this issue. Don't quite know all the science behind the matter, but yes, I see this swing with the RL-15 but not with other powders that are made to be less temp sensitive. I see this swing moreso with my 9.3x62 because I've used it now over a wide temp swing. I don't see it in my 416 because that rifle is used in a narrow temp swing. Best
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Very strange and I don't doubt it but my rifle doesn't seem to notice the 60 degree temp drop. I just checked and it was in the dead of summer when I worked on load development, reconfirmed my zero a week before my cow hunt and it was still dead nuts for POI but I did notice my group size was bigger (1 1/2" for 5 shots!!!!). I was pissed so I took it out on that cow laying next to my rifle in the previous pic. It was 35 degrees that morning when I dumped her but I only needed one shot, thank god By the way, the 286 gr. partition worked great even though it was of the blemished type I was in reverse. Worked up a load when cold and it didn't group well until the load was on the warm side. Grouped very well, easiy extraction and no visible signs of pressure problems. Then came hot summer temps and the same load was too hot, sticky extraction and signs of excessive pressure.
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Very strange and I don't doubt it but my rifle doesn't seem to notice the 60 degree temp drop. I just checked and it was in the dead of summer when I worked on load development, reconfirmed my zero a week before my cow hunt and it was still dead nuts for POI but I did notice my group size was bigger (1 1/2" for 5 shots!!!!). I was pissed so I took it out on that cow laying next to my rifle in the previous pic. It was 35 degrees that morning when I dumped her but I only needed one shot, thank god By the way, the 286 gr. partition worked great even though it was of the blemished type I was in reverse. Worked up a load when cold and it didn't group well until the load was on the warm side. Grouped very well, easiy extraction and no visible signs of pressure problems. Then came hot summer temps and the same load was too hot, sticky extraction and signs of excessive pressure. I hear that....I think that's a common problem but something that will probably get better in the future as soon as more companies get on the band wagon with the "extreme" type powders....Hodgdon is one of them and I've almost all but switched to their extreme powders. However, I don't know if I'll ever give up Imr 4350 or RE15 though, regardless of their sensitivity to varying temperatures...
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GaryVA,
Good post. All of which is why I prefer to use the term "temperature resistant" rather than "temperature insensitive."
There isn't a powder made that will produce exactly the same pressures and velocities from below zero to above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Plus, the same powder can react differently according to the application.
The most temperature-resistant powders will show the least amount of variation in different temperatures and applications.
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John,
I recall reading that certain primers can increase or decrease that effect. IIRC, W/W and Fed were among the best in creating the least fluctuations.
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My concern is more about velocity spread than velocity loss. If I lose 50-60 fps from a good summer load at 80 - 90*F to winter temps of -20* to + 15*F, that's no big deal, at least to me, if it's still accurate with an ES of not more than 20 fps. I find that WLRM primers help provide that consistency for me in addition to the powder used. RL-15 is a good powder for that as is RL-17. RL-22 and 19, in my experience, are awful in that regard. But, as I mentioned above, if I add an extra grain or two for winter hunting in the same rifle, I'll go back to the summer load when spring arrives. In .45-70 and .458 WM, I changed to Hodgdon powders a few years ago using H4198 in place of RL-7 in each for bullets to 350grs, and even 400s, and H335 for any thing heavier. Both H4198 and H335 are very stable and consistent using hot weather loads in winter. Also, H4895 does an excellent job as well. I don't use IMR powders any more even though they are a Canadian product Bob www.bigbores.ca
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I know you are better with pictures so GFY right back: and this: My rifle is just not picky....Drops cow elk pretty good too. First year out with the ol 9.3x62 and it worked as expected....: Oh, I also used RE15 with the el-cheapo 270gr. speers too: BSA, did you tried CCI 200 aswell? all the best.
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We haven't talked about this stuff in awhile so let's renew this thread: All this talk about WLR primers has me befuddled since they're not available to me. Has anyone noticed a benefit to using CCI magnums over regular LR primers with Varget/250s or Big Game/286s?
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I know you are better with pictures so GFY right back: and this: My rifle is just not picky....Drops cow elk pretty good too. First year out with the ol 9.3x62 and it worked as expected....: Oh, I also used RE15 with the el-cheapo 270gr. speers too: BSA, did you tried CCI 200 aswell? all the best. Yes, but only a few. The CCI 250's seemed to be more accurate...
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I am constantly amazed at the accuracy of the 9.3x62. Has anyone had one that doesn't shoot? For a large game round I certainly go into the bush with confidence.
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Sighting in a new scope, here is the final two shot group with 285 Lapua Mega projectiles over 58 of Varget. (Disregard the top composite group) Barrel is a Lothar Walther, scope was an FXII 2.5x20 with FCH @ 100 yards. ![[Linked Image]](http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/Tophet1/IMG_0105_zps762873c6.jpg)
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Has anyone tried the 9.3 in a Sako Black Bear or a CZ 550 Carbine? Both have 20-21 inch barrels. Just checking and attempting to revive the thread.
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Here's one that don't shoot. Whatever, it's still going to RSA on 5 June. It actually does better with 60.5 gr of varget ![[Linked Image]](http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii351/pfuehrer13/91bf086a02c6b736bc1fc7fbe7460a35.jpg)
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I just bought a CZ 550 Medium FS 9.3. I have brass, dies and Accubonds on the way. With any luck, I'll have some results to talk about this weekend.
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Tophet and Ed, nice shooting. Damn I love this old cartridge.
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68gr of RL-17 and a 286gr Hornaday gets 2515 fps in my 9.3x66, just sayin'.
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I had a CZ 550 with the full-length stock and 21" barrel for a while, and spent part of one range session comparing the velocities of several loads from it and my CZ 550 rifle with 23.6" barrel. As I recall, the biggest difference in velocity between the two was 88 fps, with most loads less than 50 fps. One load actually averaged slightly faster from the shorter barrel.
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What is the accuracy like with that load? Any pressure signs?
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Thanks Mule Deer. There is a CZ carbine in kevlar with open sights here locally that looks pretty darn nice. I don't think that is a new model but have not seen that configuration. The shorter barrel looks it'd be handy in tight quarters.
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What is the accuracy like with that load? Any pressure signs? Doing a ladder with said bullet and powder. 68gr (2515 fps) delivered an inch @100m. Took it up to 70gr in 1/2 gr increments. 70gr is just under 2600fps. As I went up the accuracy widened. No traditional pressure signs at all up to 70gr. 2515fps ( 15' from the muzzle) duplicates a factory load in a 2" shorter barrel that I have. The 68gr load feels nice to shoot , 70gr you are starting to feel it.
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Whats your point of impact difference between the 250 gr loads and the 286 gr loads? Mine was great till I switched stocks with a wood stock the load POI was 2" higher with the 250 gr load.
In a Mcmillion Edge free floated 5 " difference. Going to try a pressure point neutral to see I can get similar POI.
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POI is approx 3" difference at 100m. I would normally sight the 286gr 3" high and the 250gr NAB's 2.5" high.
With the 250gr sight in the 286's fall 3" and to the left 2".
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Has anyone tried the 9.3 in a Sako Black Bear or a CZ 550 Carbine? Both have 20-21 inch barrels. Just checking and attempting to revive the thread. I have the CZ carbine with the 20.5" barrel. I'll be fine tuning two loads on Saturday and I'll post my results. Btw, very happy with the little CZ!
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Had my CZ 550 FS out yesterday. Normally I use 65 g. of Big Game with Speer 270 g., PRIVI 285 g., and Hornady 286 g. loads and all normally get close to 2400 fps in my 20.5" barrel.
After reading Mule Deer's comments on powders in his new book (he went to 66 g. of Big Game with 286 g. bullets); I decided to go up in powder with the Speer 270 g. Went in 1/2 g. increments to 67 g. With 67 g. of powder the chronograph just barely reached 2500 fps. Load seemed safe in my rifle. Will test it more for accuracy.
My rifle seems to like the Speer 270 g. bullets and Yukoner says they work very well in his considerable experience with the 9.3X62.
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Furprik, How is your rifle bedded and barrel contour?
Mine is a fairly light contour, and POI changed when I changed stocks.
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the rifle is a stock sako M-85
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The 60.5g of Varget/250 Accubond is running 2550fps out of my 20.5" CZ. Impacts were touching on my 100 yd paper. I would say this load is a winner in my CZ Carbine.
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Trevor, that about matches what I'm getting. My 20.5 Model 70 gets 2520 with that load.
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pabucktail, do you use 286's at all and if so, how fast are you pushing them?
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I need to bookmark this thread.
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There's no doubt that the Varget and RL-15 loads that JB and others have used shoot well. They certainly do in my rifle. That said, with the current 'shortage' of powder, I'd like to find a some loads for the 250gr pills using H4350 or one of the other 'Extremes'. I know JB said that his experience with H4350 was not good, but I do like the temperature stability of the 'Extremes', and I have a large quantity of H4350.
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Whats your point of impact difference between the 250 gr loads and the 286 gr loads? Mine was great till I switched stocks with a wood stock the load POI was 2" higher with the 250 gr load.
In a Mcmillion Edge free floated 5 " difference. Going to try a pressure point neutral to see I can get similar POI. Ordinarily the heavier 286gr bullets would print significantly higher than the lighter 250gr ones.
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Trevor, I just got some loaded up and will try and shoot them tomarrow. I'll let you know.
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I love H4350...well in my 260rem anyway. I do wonder if it might be too slow, but I guess until you try it, who knows. Somewhere on here I think I read someone has had good results with RL17, or am I confusing this'd with another thread?
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JB has stated that he got less than great results with H4350
I shot the 286 gr noslers today and got an avg. of 2401 fps from my 20.5" barrel using 66 grains of Big Game.
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i believe that varget, which you mentioned, is in the extreme family. only problem is getting hold of some.
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I've had pretty good results using IMR 4350. I've not tried the H4350 yet.
I use 63gr of IMR 4350 for 250 older ballistic tips and the new AccuBonds and for the 270gr Speers. I actually gained very little by loading 63 grains over 60 grains, and I found almost no difference between 63 and 64 grains with either bullet.
Pressures seem reasonable, and brass lasts a long time. I do use a magnum primer. All four rifles tried had 24" barrels, except the CZ with a 23.6". My average velocity for the 63gr load with 250s was 2,560 with my present HusqvarnaStyer 98 Mauser hybrid running around 2,600. The 270 Speers were at 2,440. It surprised me that the Speers weren't a little bit faster.
I just got some R-17 and am anxious to try it with 250, 270, and 286 gr bullets. My best accuracy powder has been R-15.
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I love H4350...well in my 260rem anyway. I do wonder if it might be too slow, but I guess until you try it, who knows. Somewhere on here I think I read someone has had good results with RL17, or am I confusing this'd with another thread?
May have been me, I'm getting 2400 fps with the 320 gr Woodleighs in my Heym Mauser with RL-17, originally wanted to try and get 4000+ ft lbs of energy on the '06 sized case to gauge efficiency of the cartridge for a given amount of powder. It proved that in spades and is hell for accurate to boot. Gunner
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I shot the 286 gr noslers today and got an avg. of 2401 fps from my 20.5" barrel using 66 grains of Big Game. Thanks for the info. I have some Big Game in the cabinet and I think I'll try working up a 286 load with that. 2400 fps from a 20.5" barrel seems pretty respectable to me. Trevor
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Yes, I believe it will kill big things just fine. Running the numbers, it appears that I'll have a useful trajectory and bullet expansion out to 300 yards with no problems, which is as about as far as I care to shoot at animals 95% of the time anyway.
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Does anyone have any on-game performance reports with the Barnes 250 gr. TTSX at 2,500-2,600fps? How does it compare with the Nosler Accubond?
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There's no doubt that the Varget and RL-15 loads that JB and others have used shoot well. They certainly do in my rifle. That said, with the current 'shortage' of powder, I'd like to find a some loads for the 250gr pills using H4350 or one of the other 'Extremes'. I know JB said that his experience with H4350 was not good, but I do like the temperature stability of the 'Extremes', and I have a large quantity of H4350. I continue to be impressed with the 250 TSX over 60gr of Varget - MOA groups and 2590fps out of my rebored Interarms. The Swift 250gr A-Frame on the other hand does well with Ramshot Big Game, but not Varget in this rifle. Ran into a fellow looking for some H4350, so I passed some along to him. Local shop has plenty of Varget, so I used the cash from the H4350 sale towards an 8# jug of Varget. I use it in the 22-250 also.
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Hard to have too much Varget on hand.
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It was some of MD's writings plus Ganyana's African experience that encouraged me to give the 9.3 X 62 a try, though at the time I was looking for another 35 Whelen. It has lived up to expectations, and more, over the two plus years of extensive testing and hunting experience. In fact, it has replaced all "mediums", such as the .35 Whelen, .350 Rem Mag, .338 Win Mag. .340 Wby and .375 H&H, which have all been favorites, in my cabinet and affections. It comes exceeding close to the .340 Wby and H&H in ballistics, weighs 2 lbs less, is handier, very accurate and burns less fuel. While I've had a a ton of experience with RL-15 in .35 Whelen, .350 Rem Mag, .375 H&H and .458 Win Mag, and assumed it to be THE powder for the 9.3 X 62, last year's experience with RL-17, and this year's further testing proves to me, at least, that RL-17 is vastly superior, at least with the 286 Nos. Part. I'll not give numbers, as my testing is not fully complete, but I'll say that it EASILY surpasses RL-15 by 100 fps and with less pressure signs. Perhaps not quite as accurate, but plenty accurate for hunting at 1.25" inch average... we're not shooting target rifles or trying to win competitive matches. Just my experience... so far. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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Also looking foward to any new 9.3x62 load data. I've done the same thing, have whittled down my pile of rifles to a select few that are often used. I still keep a 30-06 which I cannot let go, but otherwise, I keep a .243 for varmint chores, the 9.3x62 for big game, and though I keep a favorite 416 for the largest of large game, I'm starting to think I'd still end up using the 9.3x62 over the 416, even in Africa where legal. It's a homely chambering that reliably works well.
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Here is the results of Hornady new brass, CCI LR primer, 59.5 gr of Varget and 286 gr TSX. ![[Linked Image]](http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii351/pfuehrer13/f0dde38b42a1a8d8e3cf881d12a50a08.jpg) Now here is proof. This bull is 39 7/8 and is a cull taken near Hoedspruit, RSA on 14 June. ![[Linked Image]](http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii351/pfuehrer13/4800f001c2eba9a86236dcfe1f782ada.jpg)
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Proof's in the pudd'n... Did you find the bullet, or did it blow on through? DF
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First two went all the way through. Last one went through the spine in front of shoulders and through the vitals, the brisket and lodged under the skin back of the front legs.
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Did the petals break off, or was it a photo finish like in the ads?
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Photo finish-recovered bullet weighed 285 grains. Petals well formed and curled perfectly.
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What velocity is that load running? I tried the 286 TSX in my x62 but couldn't get much over 2000 FPS. I can't remember if I tried RL15 or if I only used IMR4350 (pretty sure I tried RL15). Never did try Varget though I should have since I had quite a bit on hand. I've picked up a pound of N550 that I might try as well. Right now I'm running a Norma 286gr RN at 2350 which works well enough but I'm not really thrilled with the performance they gave on my bison. Maybe I was too close for a conventional bullet (37 meters) but I didn't get the penetration that I had hoped for.
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You should be able to get more than 2K fps with a 286 gr. bullet.
How far did the Norma RN penetrate? I would guess it mushroomed fully, which caused less penetration.
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That 286 TSX is WAAAY too long in my view for anything less than a true magnum cartridge. At 1.5" it eats far too much powder room. Even the 250 TSX is about 1.375", which exceeds the length of the 286 Nosler Partition. I will never use them for that reason alone. Then, they are not necessary and over priced, again in my view. The 286 Nosler Partition will do anything they will do and leaves ample room for expected powder charges. I don't know what pressure Barnes used in their testing, but from a 26" tube they record less than 2300 fps, which will limit the useful range to about 200 - 250 yds if any expansion is wanted. The 286 Nos. Part. from my rifle is useful to 500 yards on larger game like eland or moose where velocity is still over 1800 fps. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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I always get light for caliber Barnes bullets. For example, in .308, a 130 gr. TSX is about the same length as a 180 gr. cup and core. And length is the deal, not weight, regarding stabilizing a bullet. And of course, how much powder room it takes up.
My best 9.3x62 groups were with 250 gr. NAB's using JB's load. My AHR CZ loves that combo and will print a cloverleaf. It'll do about an inch with 286's and Speer 270.
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You should be able to get more than 2K fps with a 286 gr. bullet.
How far did the Norma RN penetrate? I would guess it mushroomed fully, which caused less penetration.
DF The Norma penetrated about 10" (through the shoulder and through one lobe of the lung but not to the heart) and did indeed mushroom fully so I completely admit that the close range, full value impact velocity and density of the animal contributed to the performance seen. I only recovered one of three bullets fired into the bison so it's another classic example of one. Still, none of the bullets reached the heart, which I would have considered to be good performance. All in all, the bull died in short order and when something that big only goes 15 yards it's hard to find fault with the result. I look forward to trying it out on a few more animals to see how it does on lighter fare at a bit greater distance.
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My 9.3's, both built on FN Mauser actions, throw 250 gr X's at 2630 fps from their 24" barrels. No issue with bullet length. A fair load of African plain game were impressed with the combo.
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Hi folks!
I am hunter from Bulgaria - country in eastern part of EUnion and a big fan of CZ550/9.3X62. Here this caliber is very popular.
So I start reload from soon and see in www Mule Deer`s data.
I prepare some for testing:
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bullet-Sako hammerhead - 286gr
brass-RWS
powder - Ramshot BigGame-64.5grain
Primer: CCI 250
COL-3.305
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bullet-Hornady interlock - 286gr
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powder - Ramshot BigGame-64.5grain
Primer: CCI 250
COL-3.291
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bullet-Barness TSX FB- 286gr
brass-RWS
powder - Ramshot BigGame-64.5grain
Primer: CCI 250
COL-3.336
My question is about TSX - I have a problem to seat bullet more deep with 64.5grain Ramshot BigGame. I read that Mule Deer wrote that try around 65 gr Ramshot BigGame even with Barness TSX 286 gr, but not see right numbers - COL and grain of charges.
If some one of you use Barness TSX FB- 286gr with Ramshot BigGame or Hodgon Varget - plese send some data!
Sorry for my bad english language!
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Welcome CZfan,
I have no data for you, and your English serves just fine. I just wanted to welcome you to our campfire.
Thanks for your input and please keep us informed of your results,
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There's no doubt that the Varget and RL-15 loads that JB and others have used shoot well. They certainly do in my rifle. That said, with the current 'shortage' of powder, I'd like to find a some loads for the 250gr pills using H4350 or one of the other 'Extremes'. I know JB said that his experience with H4350 was not good, but I do like the temperature stability of the 'Extremes', and I have a large quantity of H4350. I think H4895 is closer to Varget than H4350. It's one of my favorite powders too.
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After trying both Nosler and Barnes 286s with 66 grains of Big Game I settled on the Nosler because it was more accurate and the TSX got significantly less velocity than the Partition with the same powder charge. My 20.5 barrel was only getting 2300 with the barnes and slightly over 2400 with the nosler.
I see you're using CCI 250 magnum primers. I'd recommend trying the 200 large rifle. I tried both and found better acccuracy and consistency with the CCI 200.
I'll have to go dig through my notes regarding the COL of the barnes load, but I can tell you the partitions are seated so the groove on the bullet is right at the case mouth.
You seem to have excellent english so I'd recommend getting some John Barsness (Mule Deer here on the fire) books. There's some good 9.3x62 info to be had.
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Добре дошли в лагерния огън.
It is always wise to reduce loads a bit and work up to the powder charge you expect to use. So if your goal is to shoot around 64 grains of powder, build a couple of loads of 61, 62, and 63 grains to make sure that there is nothing that is going to cause excessive pressure. There are variables in terms how the chamber is cut, and the loading components, and working up is therefore always advisable. Even if you have experience with a particular rifle, changing something as minor as the manufacturing lot of powder can make it wise to work up again.
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Just found and read this entire thread. I have a Steyr Prohunter in 9.3x62. What bullets are proven to expand and work well on deer sized critters?
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Thanks for all replays folks!
Here we do not have Nosler part. in stock.
Have Barnes TSX, Hornady Interlock, Sako Hammerhead, PPU, Norma all around 286gr. And RWS EVO -290gr.
Do you have some data for RWS EVO -290gr. with Ramshot BigGame or Varget?
I use CCI 250 and today bought CCI 200, so will try them with this charges too.
I plane to use 65-66 gr Ramshot BigGame, so will make some 63 gr and 61 gr loads for tests too.
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CZfan,
I seat the 286 TSX so the cartridges just fit in the CZ 550 magazine. Big Game will be compressed, but still works reliably. I hope that helps!
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I've seen a bunch of 9.3 bullets used from the 9.3x62 on deer-sized game, and all have expanded well: 232 Norma Oryx, 250 Barnes X (pre-TSX), 250 Hornady GMX, 250 Nosler AccuBond, 270 Speer Hot-Cor, 286 Hornady Interlock, 286 Norma Oryx and 286 Nosler Partition. The monolithics haven't killed as quickly with typical lung shots as the lead-cored bullets, but no animal went over 75 yards.
If I was going to pick just one of them for deer-sized game, it might be the 286 Hornady, just because it does the typical 9.3x62 job of killing well, while penetrating deeply without shooting up a bunch of meat, but doesn't cost much!
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CZfan,
I seat the 286 TSX so the cartridges just fit in the CZ 550 magazine. Big Game will be compressed, but still works reliably. I hope that helps! Thanks a lot!
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Thanks for the reply. Does the Hornady factory load with their 286 grain bullet expand well on deer? The reason I ask is that they chronographed only about 2250 fps from my 23.6 inch Steyr Prohunter. I would use them at no more than about 200 yards. Tried them on my 260 yard steel deer target and they drop about a foot with a zero about two inches high at 100 yards. They don't shoot much flatter than my 35 Remington.
But there are plenty of places for me to hunt where I can't see over 200 yards and if they'll expand they ought to let the air out of deer and hogs pretty quick as well as leave a blood trail if anything gets out of sight.
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Yeah, they should expand well even at that velocity. They're designed for the standard factory velocity for the 9.3x62, which is only 2360 fps.
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The resurgence of this thread makes me want to load some ammo for mine, which I have never used. The barrel is for a Blaser R-93, with sights, scope is an all steel El Paso Weaver 3X from 1973 that has about an box of 30-30s under it's belt. Components on hand are a good choice of primers, 270 Hot Core, and Privi brass. I have not seen Varget or BG lately, but I do have 4350, 4895, and BLC-2 that might work.
My experience with mediums has mostly been with 338W and 338-06. The latter was my favorite, but I foolishly shipped them. I ran across this 9.3x62 barrel while looking for a replacement 338-06.
Thanks for the insight,
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Since purchasing my CZ 9.3x62 a dozen or so years ago, my .338 Winchester and .375 H&H have been mostly gathering dust.
It has also impressed a few other people. Five years ago I went to Africa, and my partner made the popular choice of a .300 Winchester Magnum. After the hunt he bought his own 9.3x62.
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Hey MD, do you believe the 320 gr Woodleigh PP soft at 2400 fps coupled with the 280 gr BBW#13 solid at the same speed and poi at 100 yards would be an effective set up.
I certainly do from limited experience, the solid may not even be legal in some locales, but had to develop it with the soft if not only to be complementary cool.
I believe it to be a lot of bang for the buck on the '06 sized case head.
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Oh, yeah, that would work great at woods or thornbush ranges.
I worked up a similar load in my CZ, and the Woodleigh 320 shoots right to point of aim at 100 yards when 250/286's are two inches high. Unfortunately I haven't "field tested" it yet, but have seen enough Woodleighs in action to be impressed, especially the heavier bullets at moderate velocities.
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Thanks MD, that's plenty good enough of a description for me to use them with confidence. I shall go forth soon and test this old Heym mauser.
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Thinking about trying them on another African jaunt?
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Maybe so, I think it'd be excellent for Eland, bush pig and warthog inside 300 yards.
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It certainly wouldn't extend their lifespans!
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I'll gladly have to give em a go when the time comes, have never had a Woodleigh soft fail, and the info Ive read on the BBW #13 solids is outstanding across the caliber spectrum.
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Maybe so, I think it'd be excellent for Eland, bush pig and warthog inside 300 yards. A "just for what it's worth" info bit: Recently (April 27) I did my first test of the 320gr Woodleighs. I fired one of each starting at 61 to 66 grs RL-17. Up front, I'll say that all calculations had been previously done including QL. Here are the results: 1 - 61grs RL-17 = 2276 fps 2 - 62grs RL-17 = 2308 fps 3 - 63grs RL-17 = 2351 fps 4 - 64grs RL-17 = 2388 fps 5 - 65grs RL-17 = 2426 fps 6 - 66grs RL-17 = 2464 fps *Add 10 fps for correction to muzzle. Ambient temp was +5*C Rifle: Tikka T3 Lite (22.4" barrel) Primer: WLRM Case:Hornady COL = 3.37" All cases were new and similar in appearance and extraction. Primer pockets were as new after cases were resized. On May 18 three of those cartridges that had been reloaded for the second time contained 66grs RL-17 behind the 320gr Woodleigh PP. They were fired at our range and recorded: 2433, 2434 and 2428 fps. Add 10 for correction to muzzle. About 30 fps less than the first firing of a single load in new brass, on a day of slightly different ambient conditions in once fired brass is normal. But the point is that they were very consistent in MV, extraction and appearance. I then fired one containing 67grs RL-17 from new brass, all else equal. That one recorded 2475 fps (add 10). Again, all was "normal". I think any of those loads could be useful in hunting depending on range and the game. Probably the 66gr load will be my choice if I ever need or want to use it on anything. Currently, the 250 AB is my goto load at about 2715 fps. It shoots 0.44 MOA. That's from 70grs RL-17 and is not max. Max is 71 grs at 2760 fps and MOA. On the other hand, the 286 NP is no slouch either at 2622 and MOA from RL-17. Very good bears have been taken with each -- a single shot in Sept '13 from the 286 NP at 68 yards and one from the 250 last Oct.1st took a very nice bear at 85 yds. The 9.3 X 62 has become my favorite medium-bore. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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Bob,
you still have some rl17?
find out interesting those speed on the light tikka .....
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I'm chewing on a 9.3 as well.
What vels are you guys getting with 286 gr Partitions with 24" barrels? Loads? What is recoil like compared to full house 250 gr (2500 ft/sec), 35 wh loads in an 8lb rifle?
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Bob,
What pressures do you think you are at with those loads? They are fairly smoking those bullets out the end of the barrel.
How is case life after a couple of reloads?
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Bob,
What pressures do you think you are at with those loads? They are fairly smoking those bullets out the end of the barrel.
How is case life after a couple of reloads?
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For what it's worth, I started working with the 9.3x62 over a dozen years ago. The pressure limit for both CIP and SAAMI is very low, due to many old rifles in the cartridge, but I did some calculating with several formulas, comparing the powder room of the 9.3x62 with both the .35 Whelen and .375 H&H.
One difference, however, between the 9.3 and those two is a very long throat, common among cartridges of that era. Many early smokeless rounds (and the 9.3x62 was designed before the .375 and .35 Whelen) used heavy-for-caliber round-nosed bullets, hence the long throat, which tends to reduce peak pressures, especially with shorter, lighter spitzers.
Anyway, I calculated what sort of velocities the 9.3x62 would be capable of compared to the .35 Whelen and .375, taking into account powder room (it has somewhat more than the .35 Whelen) and bore diameter. Then I fooled with various newer powders until getting the calculated velocities. There were NO signs of excessive pressure, whether with 250 loaded to 2650 or so with RL-15 and Varget, or 286's at around 2500 with Big Game. (RL-17 wasn't around then, or I would have it tried it too.)
But to check my results, I also had Charlie Sisk test the loads with his Pressure Trace, using Norma factory ammo to adjust the results. (The PSI pressures from strain gauges are normally lower than with piezo equipment, the reason so many home-experimenters get such high velocities when "pressure testing." Many professionals use strain gauges, especially bullet companies, but they offset the results with piezo-tested "reference ammunition" from SAAMI.)
The results indicated the 9.3x62 handloads were in the 60,000 PSI range, which happens to be the SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .30-06.
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Those are some very good numbers Bob, I don't have my load book handy but my loads with the 320's clock a little over 2400 fps, thinking I load mine at 65 grs of RL-17, it truly is a fun round to shoot and is off the charts efficient for the amount of power/performance that can be had on the '06 sized case.
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Bob,
What pressures do you think you are at with those loads? They are fairly smoking those bullets out the end of the barrel.
How is case life after a couple of reloads?
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According to QuickLoad about 64,000 psi. Also, from experience with several .338 Win Mags and a .340 Wby, I see no distinctions in effects on brass than in those two cartridges. Not all loads are pushed to max, however. I have a very good load for the 232 Oryx using RL-15 at about 2500 fps that shoots 1/2 MOA. My top loads for the 250 AB and 286 NP are, again, based on psi for the .338 Win Mag at 64,000 psi which is produced by Tikka in the exact same rifle as my 9.3 X 62. Top load for the 250 AB is 2760 fps but I load to 2715 because accuracy is about 1/2 MOA vs MOA. The 286 NP shoots MOA regardless, whether at 2550 or 2620. As mentioned, I've shot two very good bears with those loads. One shot each and done. As mentioned by JB, the 286 Hornady is a very good medium game bullet at around 2400. And easily sub-moa using RL-15. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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I've used on game up to cow nilgai, which are about the size of cow elk, and considered maybe even a little tougher to kill. Shot one quartering toward me almost directly a couple years ago, at somewhere around 150 yards, if I recall correctly. Put the bullet inside the left shoulder and it exited the right rear ribs. The cow made a couple of crow-hops sideways and fell over dead, maybe 10 feet from where it was standing when the bullet hit. Not much meat damage, either--pretty typical of any sort of 286 in the 9.3x62.
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It is without doubt one of my favourite cartridges in the safe. Those 286 grainers tend to work pretty well on our feral pigs and larger game.
Was going to take it on a camel hunt last year but given the terrain we were shooting in, opted for the 338 instead. I am sure it would have done an equally good job.
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I just bought some RWS 9,3x62 EVO 18,8g and GECO 9.3X62 PLUS 255 GR bullets.Need some help from where to start with reload. I have RS Big Game and Varget powders.
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If I were ever going to Africa again, it would likely be the only rifle I'd take. Soon, I hope to shoot something worthy with those 320 Woodleigh PPs. The last time tried at the range, I shot two (trying to save some for a hunt) that recorded 2450 and 2451 fps (add 10 for correction to MV). That from RL-17. Primer pockets are v. tight after firing. But for hunting I either use new brass or once-fired only. RL-17 is faster than H4350 but a bit slower than Big Game and MR2000. It's also less bulky than IMR4350. At a COL of 3.37", I have no trouble of loading up to 68grs behind the 320 Woodleigh in Hornady brass, though I've not tried 68 grs -- yet! Bob www.bigbores.ca
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Bob, have you tried 4350 with the 320 gr at all? I know your work with RE17 has been pretty well accepted up this way, but wondering about the easier to find stuff.
My loads with the 320 gr Matrix have been closing in on 2300 fps, and 2500 with his 290 gr.
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If I were ever going to Africa again, it would likely be the only rifle I'd take. Soon, I hope to shoot something worthy with those 320 Woodleigh PPs. The last time tried at the range, I shot two (trying to save some for a hunt) that recorded 2450 and 2451 fps (add 10 for correction to MV). That from RL-17. Primer pockets are v. tight after firing. But for hunting I either use new brass or once-fired only. RL-17 is faster than H4350 but a bit slower than Big Game and MR2000. It's also less bulky than IMR4350. At a COL of 3.37", I have no trouble of loading up to 68grs behind the 320 Woodleigh in Hornady brass, though I've not tried 68 grs -- yet! Bob www.bigbores.ca You bet CZ, and too me, 2400 fps with a 320 gr bullet is the pinnacle of efficiency in the 9.3-62mm, you're already there, when time allows, I'll be filing the rear express sight for the new load featuring the 280 gr BBW #13 solids  , of course they're not needed, but cool as hell to have a mini rifle with both soft and solid loads just like one of the heavy big bores.
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Bob, have you tried 4350 with the 320 gr at all? I know your work with RE17 has been pretty well accepted up this way, but wondering about the easier to find stuff.
My loads with the 320 gr Matrix have been closing in on 2300 fps, and 2500 with his 290 gr.
Ted Hi Ted; Sorry for the late reply but have been having some Internet problems. Hope they're resolved. No, haven't tried 4350 of any flavor. Still have 1/2 can of RL-17 and 2 on order already paid for. MR2000 is supposed to be very good according to a friend in N.Carolina. He'getting close to my ballistics from a 20.5" barrel. We correspond a lot. He has QL. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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ruraldoc,
I've seen a bunch of 9.3 bullets used from the 9.3x62 on deer-sized game, and all have expanded well: 232 Norma Oryx, 250 Barnes X (pre-TSX), 250 Hornady GMX, 250 Nosler AccuBond, 270 Speer Hot-Cor, 286 Hornady Interlock, 286 Norma Oryx and 286 Nosler Partition. The monolithics haven't killed as quickly with typical lung shots as the lead-cored bullets, but no animal went over 75 yards.
If I was going to pick just one of them for deer-sized game, it might be the 286 Hornady, just because it does the typical 9.3x62 job of killing well, while penetrating deeply without shooting up a bunch of meat, but doesn't cost much! Good advice and good to know. Still an excellent thread, even though I sold my 9.3x62mm to Geno... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Hello all, I always enjoy reading this thread. I recently picked up 5 pounds of Re16 and wonder if anyone has any experience with this powder in the 9.3x62? I'm thinking it might work well considering the success some have had with Re17. I prefer to use the 286 Partition but recently got a good deal on four boxes of 250 TTSX's that I want to experiment with. Thanks for any insight any of you may have to offer.
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The results indicated the 9.3x62 handloads were in the 60,000 PSI range, which happens to be the SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .30-06. I would think these PSI loads would be safe in a Rem 750 or M7400 barrelled to 9.3x62? Would the 9.3/286's feed and function in the auto?? Brainstorming a re-barreled Rem auto with a 21" barrel and a stock shortened to 13". (I have access to a inexpensive Rem 7400 in 06)
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I'm guessing they'd work fine, but don't know of anybody who's tried that conversion.
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The results indicated the 9.3x62 handloads were in the 60,000 PSI range, which happens to be the SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .30-06. I would think these PSI loads would be safe in a Rem 750 or M7400 barrelled to 9.3x62? Would the 9.3/286's feed and function in the auto?? Brainstorming a re-barreled Rem auto with a 21" barrel and a stock shortened to 13". (I have access to a inexpensive Rem 7400 in 06) I am in the midst of rebarreling two rifles, a 760 and a 7600 to 9.3X62, just for fun! Had an inexpensive 742 in 30-06 that I stared down that road with, but changed direction. Besides all the extra work, I am just not much of a semi-auto guy. I can tell you that the 742 fed a full mag of 286 gr Lapua Mega round nose into the chamber mouth just fine. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/laketrouter/firearms/DSCN3476.jpg) They would not go all the way, of course, but went far enough that I am convinced they would have gone all the way home if it were a '62 chamber. Keep us posted on your project, Ted
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I am in the midst of rebarreling two rifles, a 760 and a 7600 to 9.3X62, just for fun! smile
Ted, Cool! that is what I am doing, "just for fun!" I'm not a semi-auto guy either, but still, the idea interest me enough to do it. I would think it would make a great Yukon Bruin Rifle! What twist are you going with?
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Yes a pump Rem 760 or 7600 in either 35 Whelen or 9.3 X 62 would make a great critter getter!
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Hello all, I always enjoy reading this thread. I recently picked up 5 pounds of Re16 and wonder if anyone has any experience with this powder in the 9.3x62? I'm thinking it might work well considering the success some have had with Re17. I prefer to use the 286 Partition but recently got a good deal on four boxes of 250 TTSX's that I want to experiment with. Thanks for any insight any of you may have to offer.
Scott Don't have a 9.3x62 but tried Re16 in the very similar 9.3x66 (.370 SAKO). Re16 is less dense than Re17 so not as much will fit in the case. The following is from a .370 SAKO not a 9.3x62: 286 Nosler - 70 gn Re16 - 2415fps (case full to neck) 286 Nosler - 70 gn Re17 - 2524fps (case less full) So, in addition to filling the case too much, Re16 seems slower burning than Re17 in this cartridge. This might be reversed in other cartridges. As an aside I estimated the relative bulk-density of available 4350-ish powders by filling an empty case, scraping it off even and weighing the contents. Reloder 16 - 91.4 gn IMR 4451 - 93.9 gn IMR 4350 - 95.0 gn H 4350 - 96.1 gn Reloder 17 - 99.2 gn Hunter - 101.7 gn VV N550 - 102.9 gn N550 gave good velocity with 250 TSX and 286 Noslers but accuracy wasn't as good as Reolder 17. Alliant 2000MR was excellent. Not yet finished working up loads with Big Game. Cheers
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Thanks wswolf. That's very interesting and what I was looking for. I appreciate your input.
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The results indicated the 9.3x62 handloads were in the 60,000 PSI range, which happens to be the SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .30-06. I would think these PSI loads would be safe in a Rem 750 or M7400 barrelled to 9.3x62? Would the 9.3/286's feed and function in the auto?? Brainstorming a re-barreled Rem auto with a 21" barrel and a stock shortened to 13". (I have access to a inexpensive Rem 7400 in 06) I am in the midst of rebarreling two rifles, a 760 and a 7600 to 9.3X62, just for fun! Had an inexpensive 742 in 30-06 that I stared down that road with, but changed direction. Besides all the extra work, I am just not much of a semi-auto guy. I can tell you that the 742 fed a full mag of 286 gr Lapua Mega round nose into the chamber mouth just fine. They would not go all the way, of course, but went far enough that I am convinced they would have gone all the way home if it were a '62 chamber. Keep us posted on your project, Ted Hi Ted (and others interested); I once owned a .35 Whelen in M7400 (Rem. semi-auto) for several years -- perhaps about six or seven. It was a GREAT rifle! As good, in fact, as any bolt-action I've owned in terms of strength, function and accuracy. Although it would not fired the 250gr Nosler Partition at the same MVs as the Hornady or Speer. But it would give over 2700 fps with good accuracy from the 225gr NP. There was never a jam or failure to extract "hot" loads either. And I didn't use small-base dies just regular RCBS. I shot a decent bl. bear at 100 yds using the 200gr X-bullet at an MV of 2800 fps. It blew out the opposite shoulder leaving bone fragments in the exit wound. Bear went 10 yards. I personally think such an outfit in 9.3 X 62 would be "the cat's meow". As you may well know, TradeEx sells a pump in 9.3 X 62. It's pricy though. Best wishes and a Merry Christmas. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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If any of you folks have a line on 232gr Oryx bullets, I sure would appreciate the lead.
I've been trying to get the 250gr AFrames to shoot but I've yet to get very good results with R17, 2000MR or Varget.
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Hello all, I always enjoy reading this thread. I recently picked up 5 pounds of Re16 and wonder if anyone has any experience with this powder in the 9.3x62? I'm thinking it might work well considering the success some have had with Re17. I prefer to use the 286 Partition but recently got a good deal on four boxes of 250 TTSX's that I want to experiment with. Thanks for any insight any of you may have to offer.
Scott Don't have a 9.3x62 but tried Re16 in the very similar 9.3x66 (.370 SAKO). Re16 is less dense than Re17 so not as much will fit in the case. The following is from a .370 SAKO not a 9.3x62: 286 Nosler - 70 gn Re16 - 2415fps (case full to neck) 286 Nosler - 70 gn Re17 - 2524fps (case less full) So, in addition to filling the case too much, Re16 seems slower burning than Re17 in this cartridge. This might be reversed in other cartridges. As an aside I estimated the relative bulk-density of available 4350-ish powders by filling an empty case, scraping it off even and weighing the contents. Reloder 16 - 91.4 gn IMR 4451 - 93.9 gn IMR 4350 - 95.0 gn H 4350 - 96.1 gn Reloder 17 - 99.2 gn Hunter - 101.7 gn VV N550 - 102.9 gn N550 gave good velocity with 250 TSX and 286 Noslers but accuracy wasn't as good as Reolder 17. Alliant 2000MR was excellent. Not yet finished working up loads with Big Game. Cheers I too have a 370 Sako. Used lot of different powders but RS Big Game is the best with a 250gr TSX for 2660 ft/s and the 286's(not TSX's) running ~2525-2500 ft/s in a 22.4"bbl.
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