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#5946347 - 12/21/11 09:37 AM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Mule Deer]
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Exactly, I could not agree more
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_O
.they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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#5947179 - 12/21/11 01:23 PM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Mule Deer]
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Good point(s) MD. While I don't try to take out both shoulders on a broadside shot, if I can hit one of them on an animal that's facing me or angling away, I've found that helps too.
I've seen deer class stuff go down pretty reliably with a lung shot that hits the rear lobes, but the bigger, tougher stuff does seem to have an amazing ability to go long distances in really mean country with such a hit. Even watched a Pronghorn hit through the rear lobes of the lungs try to get up a minute or two after going right down. It really pays to both shoot carefully and to make sure he's down for keeps. E

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#5947205 - 12/21/11 01:33 PM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Eremicus]
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John,

Quit making sense and using personal experience in a logical way to back your opinions.
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#5948110 - 12/21/11 05:40 PM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: GregW]
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Greg,

Thanks!

It's always kind of odd to read really firm opinions based on limited experience and theory....
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#5949179 - 12/22/11 03:38 AM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Mule Deer]
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Originally Posted By: Mule Deer
Greg,

Thanks!

It's always kind of odd to read really firm opinions based on limited experience and theory....


I like to refer to such as, "long on theory-short on substance"
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_O
.they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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#5949947 - 12/22/11 07:54 AM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: jwp475]
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A good friend of mine sometimes calls them "aggressive ignorance."
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#5950138 - 12/22/11 08:30 AM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Mule Deer]
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#5951890 - 12/22/11 03:55 PM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Mule Deer]
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Originally Posted By: Mule Deer
Phil Shoemaker, the well-known Alaskan brown bear hunting guide, has done extensive penetration testing, sometimes on beached whales. He's found that the 220-grain Partition penetrates deeper than any other expanding bullet he's used, and Phil has used cartridges up to the .505 Gibbs, and most of the premium bullets made in the U.S.



Has this work been published? I am a big fan of the 220gr Partition out of my .300 Win Mag.

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#5952128 - 12/22/11 04:48 PM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Arac]
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As I recall Phil published the info in one of the Wolfe magazines.
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#5956479 - 12/23/11 05:07 PM Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: BobinNH]
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Originally Posted By: BobinNH

These guys all disagree with you, including one well respected and experienced writer who you managed to insult with your own pontification; one reason I am having a hard time taking seriously anything you say....



Two writers, actually. In one of his books, Boddington also mentioned that he didn't think African game was any tougher than an elk.
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