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Flat trajectory. Massive downrange energy. Sub MOA accuracy from many rifle and handload combos. High but manageable recoil in most rifle weights. Almost unlimited bullet selection, and widely universal availability of factory ammo, if needed
If you were on a trophy hunt for big bulls, could you really come up with a better choice?
For myself, the next bull will fall to another TSX, 165 or 180 gr, with extreme confidence.
Why undergun yourself with lesser armament, or overrun yourself with higher recoil?
If Roy himself were around today, I'm guessing he would endorse his 300 as perfection on elk.
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I like the round, but I can produce dead elk with many rounds including some with less bump. But, make no doubt about it it's a mighty fine round. Personally and this is very hard for me to say but if given a choice I'd prefer a 300 WSM over the Wby. And, get ready for the left hook but I way prefer my 7 Mashburn Super to all of them...  Dober
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300 H&H - you might as well use the daddy 300 mag.
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I own a 300 Win Mag and have always considered "any" of the big 30's as the best of the best for elk at both short and long range. I am also very fond of the Big 7's.
I have shot many deer with the 300's with little meat loss, you just have to pick your shot carefully.
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I have killed around 40 elk with a 30-06, but as I get older and less sneaky, I find the 300 WBY to be the perfect gun.
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I be seeing ya Friday night, we can cuss n discuss this then...  Personally, I likey your 25/35! Dober
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Guess I can still sneak, so I stick with the 30/06. CB
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For me, a 300 Wby for open country and possible long range shots; a short, 20" barrel Ruger 77 in 338 RCM for aspen, wooded country and timber.
I only added the 338 this year after sticking between trees in dark timber too many times with the 24" barreled Weatherby last year.
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I'm thinkin' old Roy would probably still take the .257 Bee to all others...
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I used to hunt elk with a .300 Wby.
Then I killed a few, just as dead, with an -06.
$3 per shell Accumark that weights 780 pounds v. $1 per shell Ultra Lightweight that weighs about as much as a 6 pack of Talls.
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I used the 300 Weatherby on elk and smaller stuff, but at the same time was using a 300 Win Mag throated "long" for the same things.They were as alike as two peas in a pod and I loved them both for their flat trajectory and terminal effect.Pretty hard to trump either one with everything from 165's to 200 gr.
But I no longer use them because to keep recoil manageable,the rifles have to be heavier to lug and in rough country I don't want to put up with this, although some do not mind the extra rifle weight at all.
Over the years I also found I could put up a 7mm magnum of some sort that weighed a pound or so less,and recoiled less,and the game ended up just as dead.
But there is just no doubt the 300 Weatherby may be the best 300 magnum of the bunch.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Oh 300sav kind of rings my bell. Got more then one with it.
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Kawi I am betting you have... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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280 Remington or 30-06. No elk have ever been able to complain. The 300 Weatherby is a fine one though I'll give you that!
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When you have the rifle and cartridge that is at the top of the ladder there is no need to go further. The 300 Weatherby is a cartridge of the present and the future and will be for your lifetime, after that who cares.
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I've had two, a Euromark, and an Accumark. Nice rifles, but as I grew older I found I didn't like the recoil impulse, or the weight of the Accumark. It seemed to me the recoil was faster than a .338 Win Mag or a 375 H&H. All that said, I have to agree its the best of the 30 caliber medium mags. I've not shot any of the Ultras, or the Lazz, or the 30-378.
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Worse shooting rifle I ever had was a Weatherby.Even thier guarantee is only 3"at 100 or was.
No doubt the cartridge it is an elk stopper,especially for the long distance snipers, but I would have to stop before I'd say it is the best elk medcine. Fact is, I'd be hard pressed to say any one rifle or cartridge is the all around best.
If one gets into specifics,now that is a differnt story.
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A 300 or 338 for open country and a 45-70 for timber hunting I think is the ticket for elk. And good bullets are a must.
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Any of the 300's mag are great elk guns,but when you get serious about it,the .338's shine.The .340 WBY mag has to be my choice followed by the .338 RUM in factory guns.
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Kawi I am betting you have...  The 300 WBY is a fine all NA big game round, but elk live along way from me, so I use the 300's big bro, an old custom 28" barreled 338-378 and 225 TTSX's @3350, it works  Gunner
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For those who may have missed it, here's an article on the .300 Wby. by Mule Deer- http://www.24hourcampfire.com/newsletters/October_2008.html
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Love the 300wby. I've had a half dozen (USA and Japan) and all were sub-moa shooters. Took my last elk with a Fibermark. If I have another it'll be on a 700 wearing Krieger & McMillan.
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I have used the .30-06, .300 WSM, .300 Win Mag, .300 Wby, .338-06, .338 Win Mag, 9.3x74R and .375 H&H on elk. I could never tell that any one of those killed quicker or "better" than the other. However, I don't shoot elk at extreme ranges, so the differences in trajectories (which are pretty much negligible at ranges less than 300-350 yds) don't bother me.
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I steer away from Weatherby calibers because you have to buy Weatherby ammo at $65/box. I have killed 33 elk using a 30-06 and 180 grain Nosler Partitions leaving the tube at 2,880 fps. I think the middle calibers, anything from as small as .270 to as big as .338 magnum, are best suited for elk hunting. I recommend a minimum of 150 grain controlled expansion bullets. A 30-30 will kill an elk but its� range is limited to about 200 yards. It�s my opinion that anything bigger than a .338mag is more gun than necessary and I don�t enjoy the recoil of those big calibers. A well placed shot from just about any legal caliber will kill an elk but nothing will work right with bad bullet placement, so one needs to use a caliber with which they are comfortable and competent and take the time to get it right the first time.
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few of us could pick a good wife, or hope to pick the best possible wife for a friend and few of us can select a friends ELK rifle, personally I think the 340 wby or 375 H&H is a better choice, most likely because I seldom see elk past 300-350 yards and I like having a bit more bullet mass, my late hunting partner thought I was magnum crazy, and used a BLR in 358 win , pushing 250 grain speer bullets at only 2300fps, for 30 plus years and never had the least problem killing elk.
the 300 wby is certainly a fine choice , but like wives a bit of each rifles charm is in the eye of the beholder
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Be using one since the mid eighties. Kills elk DRT.
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Reading ballistic tables, the .300 Weatherby with 200 grain bullets may be the best elk CARTRIDGE though I think a .340 Weatherby with a 225 is as good or better.
However, I don't care for the weight of the rifles I need them in for me to handle the recoil. Therefore I don't hunt them.
I am just as happy with a 165-180 in my '06 or a 210-225 in my .338. My .308 Norma with a 180-200 may be the best of all, I just don't hunt it much either.
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I've killed elk with all kinds of calibers and rifles. I've seen all kinds used for elk hunting as well. The Weatherby gives you 100 yards more range and energy than a .30-06. The Weatherby has a LOT more recoil, expense and bark. To me, it isn't anything to get excited about at all. I dial in a couple more clicks on the scope in the .06 and dead is dead. The name "Weatherby" and "Magnum" offer more to those with egos than they do any real practical hunting difference If you need more than an .06, you need a LOT more and any of the various .300's aren't much of a step up. That should fan the flames a bit. Flinch
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Remember a 300 Weatherby is a souped up 30-06. It will handle every bullet the 30-06 will only faster and flatter. It is like needing a bobcat to hunt with but you took a lynx instead.
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I shoot a 200 grain 30 caliber accubond over 3300fps from the muzzle out of a 9lb fully loaded rifle with a 27.5" lilja barrel. It shoots itty-bitty groups and is any animals worst [bleep] nightmare. I watched a girl shoot an elk in expert fashion with this rifle recently and have it all on video. It ain't a 300 weatherby, or a weatherby. Yuck.
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I like my 300 WBY alot, just recently switched to a 7mm WBY Accumark because my 300 has a brake. I can tell you this, of all the elk that I have shot with the 300 (8) and the 7mm (2) there was a big difference in how hard they went down, the 300 puts them down quick and hard! I agree that the Accumark is heavy, I just bought a Remington 700 Thumbhole stocked 300 WSM which shoots everything great that I'm going to start using a lot!
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... a 45-70 for timber hunting I think is the ticket for elk. I just started learning that lesson. I am becoming a fan of the .45-70.
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300 H&H - you might as well use the daddy 300 mag. add me to this list....unless the .35 Whelen is an option!
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The big 30s kick a little hard for my tender shoulder but they sure can kill elk with good shot placement.
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I would go 300 RUM with out a doubt.
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My 300 Wby ammo costs me $1.13 per shot with 200 gr Barnes TSX bullets, about same as any other caliber in factory loads with non-premium bullets, short of cheap .223. If you use cheaper bullets the cost goes down dramatically. People who buy factory ammo, don't reload and complain about the price don't bring up much sympathy with me. Reloading is so affordable that bringing up "$65 per box" as an argument against a round seems to make no sense.
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The big 30s kick a little hard for my tender shoulder but they sure can kill elk with good shot placement. A 10 pound 300 kicks to hard?????
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300 weatherby is a great elk round, but I prefer the 338's, 338 rum,338 edge,338-378,340 weatherby
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The big 30s kick a little hard for my tender shoulder but they sure can kill elk with good shot placement. A 10 pound 300 kicks to hard????? For me but then I am a wimp. When I was younger big mean people made me shoot all manner of silly things like .585 Nyetis and .600 Nitros and .500 Maximums and all that big recoil left me mentally scared.
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I can shoot the big 30's and 33's as well as most, but I've found that if I wanna stay on my game in a manner which I choose to that I do mo betta with a big 7.
Even a 10 lb big 30 or big 33 can grow old if one's shooting it enough and from odd positions. I've found that many shoot them 5 or 10 times off a bench, sometimes with a sissy bag and they say hmm...what's so bad about that...?
I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, just stating my experiences is all.
Plus, I've found that the sub big 30's don't really do anything for me that I can't do with a big 7 or so. I have no experience with the 264 but am sure it's in the same league. Same with the 270 Wby and 257 Wby (those I do have experience with).
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I have a nice Vanguard deluxe in .300 Weatherby. I bought it used with a brake on it. I wouldnt like shooting it much from the bench because of the muzzle brake, but it kicks like a .243 and isnt really all that heavy.
The problem is, I hunt elk with my custom, light, 7.82 Patriot Lazzeroni.
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Of course there is nothing wrong with the extra reach the magnum 7mm and 6.5mm offer over the big 30s. Most of the time it is not needed but when the going gets tough every little bit helps.
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I to got an elk this year a bee but it was not a 300. I love them all thou the bigger one was just right this year. With the sav as backup.
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I've killed 38 elk, all with .308 win, and a .280 Rem. All just as dead as if they were shot with a .300 mag or larger. I enjoyed the shooting a bit more though. Oh, I'm 6' and weigh 210, and can shoot those bigger rifles. Just choose not too.
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The Weatherby is not loony enough for my taste. I carried a 30-338lapua improved last week. With 230gr bergers at nearly 3200 fps with fireforming loads it is kinda between to 300 and 30-378 weatherby rounds. I will take the 300 lapua improved over the 300 weatherby because of the availibility of Lapua brass alone.
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I'm thinkin' old Roy would probably still take the .257 Bee to all others... +1, 257 was Roy's favorite.
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After spending many years with the 300wby and 30-378, I'm happily re-visiting the 264win and now a 7wby.
Then hornady and berger threw a wrench in my new thinking with the 230 grain VLD's..Now the 30-378 may not see retirement for a few more years!But at 12 pounds (and a brake), will see less action than the 7mm..My 300bee comes in at 8lbs (no brake),and is just too much for me in the recoil department..There was a time when I thought I enjoyed shooting it, not anymore.
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Of course there is nothing wrong with the extra reach the magnum 7mm and 6.5mm offer over the big 30s. Most of the time it is not needed but when the going gets tough every little bit helps. Gotta luv this, great quote...grin Dober
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Since its hard for me to make time and the distance traveled to elk areas, I tend to think around .338 diameter is a good thing. I've a LOT of confidence in a 338 win mag for some reason.
I have a couple of 300 mags, and a 7x300 mag. I tend to migrate to teh 338 or the .54 MZ when I think elk, just in case I need to take an angled shot. Drop is something that can be dealt with easy enough.
Truth be told though, I simply wouldn't feel a bit bad with a 243 in my hands. Have to be a bit more picky, but right bullet selection and shot placement have always been big keys to things like death in an animal....
And another truth be told, I get bored with calibers easily, and with deer, generally am using a different caliber as often as I can. Just because I enjoy seeing what they all can do.
This year the 1864 civil war musket still has a charge sitting in it, but its still looking for the chance on a deer...
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I would not hunt elk with a 243.! There is absoulty no margin for error, and requires a standing shot at fairly close range with perfect shot placement. Most hunters are not willing to do that.
I have dug several .243 caliber bullets out of elk. The 338 is a much more reasonable choice
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The name "Weatherby" and "Magnum" offer more to those with egos than they do any real practical hunting difference If you need more than an .06, you need a LOT more and any of the various .300's aren't much of a step up. That should fan the flames a bit. Flinch My first 13 elk were killed with a 721 Remington 06. My .300B is a 721 Remington 300 HH bored out to .300 WB, both are pre 60's manufacture. My choice of rifles has nothing to do with my ego or vanity. Nor would I state so of others here. It has to do with performance, the 06 starts to lag at 400 yards. You may say not, but I have seen elk walk away with shoulder shots, and others hit slightly back at that distance and beyond. Some to be recovered miles away. The 06 is a fine caliber, and I still own one but for the extra 100 or 200 yards the big 30's bring more to the table. I have a 300 Win Mag that I have owned since the 70's which is my primary.
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The 300 Wby Mag for elk- is there anything better? Depends on who is pulling the trigger.
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....Massive downrange energy.... You're kidding right? The 300 Weatherby is one of my favorite cartridges of all time but "massive downrange energy"? Personally if I had my $20k bet on a chance at a trophy elk that I thought might require long range shooting I'd be packing either Weatherby's Accumark chambered to 338-378 or a custom variation there of. That said I certainly would feel well armed with the 300 Weatherby as well, after all I do own 6 of them
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I would not hunt elk with a 243.! There is absoulty no margin for error, and requires a standing shot at fairly close range with perfect shot placement. Most hunters are not willing to do that.
I have dug several .243 caliber bullets out of elk. The 338 is a much more reasonable choice well I might be a bit more patient and a bit more accurate and picky than your average shooter/hunter. I"m well aware of limitations of ANY cartridge, probably save for my 50, but then again it even has range restrictions. I doubt most elk on a 100 yard broadside ribcage shot could even think about retaining an 85 tsx, ore even at 200. But my sole guide for elk is what works best on Nilgai down here and when the chips are down, and its balls to the wall, a 243 NOR a 300 of any flavor would be my choice. And at that point light bullets are not your friend.
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300 WM is a good cartridge, if you can shoot it and a terrible one if you can't. These days I like my light 7mm RM for my hunting needs. Plenty flat shooting for my needs with out the recoil of the larger case. I hunted some with one years ago. I shoot a 338 Winchester Mag if I think I will need more gun. These days a 250-3000, a 243 or a 30-30 would be plenty cartridge for the CT white tails I been shooting.
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I guess we an keep this rollin' as elk season is just four to five months away:)
I have a 300 Wea now in a 8.5 lb package ready to go. I have not had many difficulties with recoil through the years as I used 340 B at that same weight for over two decades and took about twelve Bulls with it. A little rearrangement of my battery and the 340 was replaced by a 300. The 340 is a virtual elk hammer. Of those twelve Bulls nome required a second shot, went beyond a few yards and at least half were taken between 300 and 500 yards.
The 340 was on a semi-custom Rem 700 Action which brings up the point you don't have to have Weatherby platforms for the Wea cartridges nor shoot the spendy factory ammo--two "disadvantages" some always bring up in regard to the B cartridges. I handload everything. And I have never had a Weatherby rifle though I have also had a 270 B.
I fully realize any cartridge in the 308-30/06 family is elk-capable, not to mention the 7 mms. In fact I have a lightweight 284 I would gladly use if so inspired that morning. The actual question in regards to any of them and their pro's and cons is, "is the shooter capable?"
I really like the magnums for elk but as important for me as the cartridge is the platform any of them are in.
Presently, the fall load planned for the 300 is a 168-gr TTSX or a 200-gr AB or Nos Part depending. A 375 proven load is a 260-gr AB over R15; the 284's load has evolved to the 150-gr ABLR over R17.
But from my bit of experience, I would pick a 300/340 class mag for elk with the 300 B being the one I settled on.
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John Jobson, a pal of O'Connor's and a .270 worshiper, wrote the .300 Wea. and 180 grain Nosler Partitions made the perfect elk rifle...
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Mine was a Vanguard in a Rimrock stock. I took a couple of elk with it using 180 Sciroccos--one with the original Scirocco and one with the later version. A few years ago, my brother was wanting a magnum rifle, so I gave it to him, mostly to have an excuse to try something else.
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It is hard to argue against a stout 30 cal 180 at 3200+ for western elk hunting. I suppose my only dislikes would be the recoil/gunweight/noise factors, which are not conducive to my ability to shoot well or hunt hard. For those who are immune to those, and there seem to be many on the 'fire, go for it.
Maybe when you get up to 340 Wby, elk are impressed. Anything below that- including 338Win, 300RUM, 300Win- hasn't seemed to impress elk beyond how much a 30-06 or a 7mm do. I've seen a bull take a few in the ribs with a 338 and act like nothing happened, and I've seen a modest 30-06 load at modest range take one right off its feet with same placement, single shot. Elk are hard to impress, most of 'em anyway. I've not been around for anything bigger than what I named though.
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I can appreciate those who pay homage to the 300 WSM in this thread.
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I can appreciate who pay homage to the 300 WSM in this thread. In my thinking, this may be closer to ideal: light, compact package, plenty of thump. My bro has a SAUM that is a light, short, and ideal, season after season.
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The 300 Weatherby works pretty good on elk.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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my favorite Elk rifle is the 338-06 Ack
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Wow, talk about resurrection of an old thread!
In the few years since this original post, two more bulls have been taken with my MkV .300 Weatherby. It now wears a McMillan Edge stock, reducing weight with scope and mounts to around 8 3/4 lbs. Favorite bullet remains the Barnes 165 gr. TSX. I may treat her to a new Leupold VX3 2.5-8x scope, since I took the old one off to use as a spare for an Africa hunt.
If I get a return trip to Africa for plains game, the WBY gets to go along again- in addition to being a superb elk cartridge, it also performs extremely well on everything in Africa except the really big stuff.
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300 Weatherby and 200 grain bullets, it is the ideal elk combo.
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I.... The 340 is a virtual elk hammer. Of those twelve Bulls nome required a second shot, went beyond a few yards and at least half were taken between 300 and 500 yards.... I handload everything....
that pretty much sums up my experience with the 340 wby,using a 250 grain bullet, but Ive also had good results with the 375 H&H 45/70,35 whelen 358 win and a few others... while the 340 is darn impressive its sure not the only effective route to putting elk on their nose
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Have used the .340 on three elk.. To me it was no more effective in dropping elk than any of my .300's..
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I use a muzzleloader, and depend on the 290gr Barnes T-EZ to get it done on elk out to 150yds.
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I killed my first dozen with a puny .270.
The last 1/2 dozen elk, in a half dozen years have all been with a .308 Win.
Various cartridges in between.
While I certainly enjoy my .300 winchesters for long range target shooting, I find myself carrying my little 20" Tikka for all my elk and mule deer hunting. May play with an -06 this year.
Never felt the need for lightweight heavy recoiling rifles for big game.
In regards to the .243 for elk. A BUNCH of elk get killed by locals with them every year. Wives and kids tend to carry them. Husbands don't tell them that the internet says it is not enough and elk keep tipping over..
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I can appreciate those who pay homage to the 300 WSM in this thread. Excellent elk round as well. Not going to answer that OP's rhetorical question as we all know there are many cartridges that are damn near perfect elk medicine. 338 win mag really comes to mind, since it was made for elk hunting... ..OOPS, that was a slip up.. .. But true..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I can appreciate those who pay homage to the 300 WSM in this thread. Excellent elk round as well. Not going to answer that OP's rhetorical question as we all know there are many cartridges that are damn near perfect elk medicine. 338 win mag really comes to mind, since it was made for elk hunting... ..OOPS, that was a slip up.. .. But true.. But these are the same guys who say the 338 recoil is bad but shoot 300 win mags and 300 weatherby mags all day long. Me on the other hand think the 338 great round, recoil not bad but I cannot stand the recoil of a 300 win mag. I rather get kicked in the nuts before I shot a either version of the 300 mag
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Ah, the age-old argument: Keith vs O'Connor. Speed vs momentum. Flat-shooting vs raking-shot penetration. I suspect many who shoot the 300 Wby feel it is the perfect balance of the two sides of the argument: it shoots as flat as a magnum 7 and has the energy of a magnum 338. If there were fewer guys pole-axing elk with wee little calibers, then I might consider a 300 Wby. Or a 338.
But an '06 makes big holes through elk really, really well. And I can manage the recoil and gun weight.
I'd rather have a Toyota Camry to run around town than a Chevy with a Duramax. Of course, when getting firewood in January, the Chevy IS necessary. The elk hunting I've done looks far more like a Camry situation than it looks like a Chevy situation. In fact, I've put a cow elk in a Camry before.
I hope my analogy makes sense. It is a rough arthritis day today, and my head is spinning from pain at the moment. The point I am making is that small and efficient is a great idea for most situations, whether we are talking about running errands or guns for hunting elk. If I can do it with a Camry, I'll leave the Chevy in the driveway.
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OH, now you are taking all the fun out of it. Sometimes I need my "chevy" to get to my elk hunting spots....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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OH, now you are taking all the fun out of it. Sometimes I need my "chevy" to get to my elk hunting spots.... Good call. I don't go hunting in the Camry anymore. Plus, last year, when no elk could be found for the 12th time, I stopped and cut firewood in a foot of snow. It was far more successful than the elk hunting.
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OH, now you are taking all the fun out of it. Sometimes I need my "chevy" to get to my elk hunting spots.... Good call. I don't go hunting in the Camry anymore. Plus, last year, when no elk could be found for the 12th time, I stopped and cut firewood in a foot of snow. It was far more successful than the elk hunting. Ha ha.. A few years in a row (when I first started elk hunting) I thought about throwing my rifle in the ditch and taking up golf. . Those were the years I actually packed a 300 wby around. All this rifle/cartridge talk is fun in the off season. The main thing is getting into the elk. When you do this, damn near any legal chambering will get the job done. As long as you put the bullet in the right place. I hear you about the wood cutting though.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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It's a good thiing then in the end that the various "elk states" describe various legal cartridges or acceptable "power levels" for cartridges that can be used for elk hunting.
The "best" is at best a theoretical best.
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As much as I like .308, .30-06 and .300WM cartridges, I don’t have much interest in the .300WBY. Or any WBY cartridge for that matter. If I can’t get it done with my .300WM, a 300WBY won’t give me any warm fuzzies.
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The "best" is at best a theoretical best.
That's a tag line there, George. A quotable quote indeed.
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Have used the .340 on three elk.. To me it was no more effective in dropping elk than any of my .300's.. I'd point out that the bullet you use is doing ALL the work, and the bullet placement is critical to getting good results. I have used a 340 wby on over a dozen elk, using a 250 grain hornady bullet, but a 300 wby on only two,(200 speer bullet, on one 190 grain hornady on the other.) so I can,t really make a valid judgement call on the difference with so little to compare between the two. As you stated both calibers in both rifles worked, but Ill stick with my 340wby based simply on the consistently good results I've had, neither 30 cal bullet exited , most of the 338 cal did
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I.... The 340 is a virtual elk hammer. Of those twelve Bulls nome required a second shot, went beyond a few yards and at least half were taken between 300 and 500 yards.... I handload everything....
that pretty much sums up my experience with the 340 wby,using a 250 grain bullet, but Ive also had good results with the 375 H&H 45/70,35 whelen 358 win and a few others... while the 340 is darn impressive its sure not the only effective route to putting elk on their nose
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I believe it was John Jobson, O"Connor's pal and .270 fan, said if there were a perfect elk round it would be the .300 Wea. with 180 grain Partitions..
The .33's are great, but for me the .300's more versital and far easier to shoot than any .338 I ever owned..
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Technically, the 338 win mag was built for elk hunting. Hard to improve on that one..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Well boys lets just split it down the middle and say the 8 mag is the perfect Elk round!
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Well boys lets just split it down the middle and say the 8 mag is the perfect Elk round! Ok Boddington..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I can reliably kill elk out to 500 yds with a 270. If I'm undergunned, my freezer doesn't know the difference. Fire once, and if they're not DRT, it's a 75 yd blood trail. All but one of my elk killed with that rifle were with partitions, mostly 130 with a couple of 150's and my last with a Hornady 130 GMX
My #2 elk rifle is a 300 WSM, so I'm not exactly biased against the 30 cal stuff. But a 6.5 lb, scoped and loaded 270 is my go-to elk rifle. Shoot what you want, my freezer's full, too.
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I can reliably kill elk out to 500 yds with a 270. If I'm undergunned, my freezer doesn't know the difference. Fire once, and if they're not DRT, it's a 75 yd blood trail. All but one of my elk killed with that rifle were with partitions, mostly 130 with a couple of 150's and my last with a Hornady 130 GMX
My #2 elk rifle is a 300 WSM, so I'm not exactly biased against the 30 cal stuff. But a 6.5 lb, scoped and loaded 270 is my go-to elk rifle. Shoot what you want, my freezer's full, too. I like that idea. Do you prefer the 150 or 130gr. partition for elk? I have a great 150 gr. load worked up for my 270 and think it would work great on elk.. Thanks for your input..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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A 300 or 338 for open country and a 45-70 for timber hunting I think is the ticket for elk. And good bullets are a must. I have thought similar to this for a long time. I hunt most with a 22' bbl .338WM as it is a compromise between long range capable & good for close deep-woods shots. It's usually loaded with Woodleighs or Partitions. I still have a .300 set up long range, and sold my big bullet lever gun.
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I used the 7RM for a long time with very good success and bought a cheap used Vanguard 300B with 24" barrel as a back up. It shot so well after a Timney trigger was added it is the primary these days. The extra oomph is tough to resist since we hunt close to the private boundary.
The jury is still out on the rifle with only a small cow taken but it really rings steel at 6&700 yards off sticks. If 3-4 years of hunting don't prove it better I'll go back to the 7 or try something different. I am fond of the crappy plastic stock since scratches don't bother me at all now.
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The answer to the OP's question boils down to how you define "better."
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From the autopsies, it makes little difference in penetration, BSA1917. I worked up a good 130 load, and shot most with it. If you have a good 150 load, I would not change a darn thing. The partition penetrates very well, and has the side benefit of not destroying a lot of meat.
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Thanks buddy. I figured as much. I might just have to drag the ol 270 out this year. I'll probably use it for deer too. Never been one for shooting a 270, but it grows on me more and more. My buddy has been using one since we were kids and it sure does work for him..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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If only these critters could appreciate our efforts of their planned demise.
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With so many cartridges out there today I'm not sure you can label the 300 Weatherby the "best". It's obviously very good and certainly as effective as many others,and maybe more effective than some.
It will drop elk like sash weights...if you hit them right. If you don't hit them right it will also wound them as well as anything else.
It's a great elk cartridge but it's not magic.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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So true Bob that it's surprising it bears repeating so often; kind of like reminding each generation that the earth is not flat.
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....kind of like reminding each generation that the earth is not flat. Lucy, you know the world aint round, Drops off sharp at the edge of town. Lucy, you know the world must be flat, 'Cause when people leave town they never come back. Hal Ketchum
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Generally I steer clear of Weatherby calibers because they are priced too high. I don't feel like paying extra for a name brand when the generic will do the job just as well.
I hunt elk with a 30-06 and 180 grain Nosler Partitions with Spitzer points, hand-loaded to perform like a .300 magnum (61 grains RL22 – 2,870 fps). BTW the trajectory is close enough to factory loads Federal Premium 30-06, 150 grain Sierra Game King BTSP, that I can switch loads without adjusting my scope.
I think the middle calibers, anything from as small as .270 to as big as .338 magnum, are best suited for hunting elk. I recommend a minimum of 150 grain premium controlled expansion bullets. A 30-30 will kill an elk but its’ range is limited to about 200 yards. It’s my opinion that anything bigger than a .338mag is more gun than necessary and I don’t enjoy the recoil of those big calibers. A well placed shot from just about any legal caliber will kill an elk but nothing will work right with bad bullet placement, so one needs to use a caliber with which they are comfortable and proficient and take the time to get it right the first time.
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Good post. ^^^^
A weatherby chambered rifle need not be name brand. When I pieced mine together, I was after a 300 Winnie. I couldn't find components anywhere, but R-P headstamped brass and RCBS dies were surplus at every gun show, so that's the direction I went. I'm happy with the results.
Do you need a drop tube to get that much RL22 in a 30-06 case?
I've killed several elk with a 350 Rem Mag and 375 Ruger, they really don't recoil any worse than a 300 or 338 magnum. To each his own though. My dad has been hunting with the same 7x57 since the late 70's, smart man I suppose.
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Got to remember that the buffaloe and almost the elk were annilated before any of these magnums were in exitance.
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KC,
Do you need a drop tube to get that much RL22 in a 30-06 case?
bigSwede: No drop tube. After I weighed it I discovered that that much just about fills the casing to the top of the neck. Tap it and shake it a little so the powder will settle some then tamp it in with a wooden dowel. Not too hard. KC
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KC,
Do you need a drop tube to get that much RL22 in a 30-06 case?
bigSwede: No drop tube. After I weighed it I discovered that that much just about fills the casing to the top of the neck. Tap it and shake it a little so the powder will settle some then tamp it in with a wooden dowel. Not too hard. KC Thanks for the info.
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk? I can find a carload of carcasses left over from a bunch of elk hunting, that will attest to that fact...
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk.
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk? As will a bazooka.
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother.
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis......
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis...... I kinda dig the 300 Wby my son was gifted this past year from my elk hunting partner.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/beretzs/RIFLES/MK5%20300%20Weatherby/F1E179DF-8BEA-44A8-9DDA-612894C8D119_zps6svtmi5u.jpg)
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother. My buddy killed six elk out of seven trips to Colorado with me and all with the 300 Win Mag and the Sierra 200 gr BT
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother. My buddy killed six elk out of seven trips to Colorado with me and all with the 300 Win Mag and the Sierra 200 gr BT Nope, can't be true. If you read the internet enough you will know that a Sierra Game King is not a suitable elk bullet. You need something bonded or a mono. I'm glad I don't read the internet.
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I see no advantage of the Weatherby over a Win Mag. You can get ammo about anywhere for the win mag if things go bad. Long seated reloads seem to perform pretty dang good. A Weatherby isn't worth the bother. My buddy killed six elk out of seven trips to Colorado with me and all with the 300 Win Mag and the Sierra 200 gr BT Nope, can't be true. If you read the internet enough you will know that a Sierra Game King is not a suitable elk bullet. You need something bonded or a mono. I'm glad I don't read the internet. I'm glad I don't either.... I generally use 250gr gamekings in my 338... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis...... I kinda dig the 300 Wby my son was gifted this past year from my elk hunting partner.. Scotty, that is a damn good shooting 300 wby. Reminds me of how mine shot 180gr. ballistic tips and partitions. Why in the hell I ever got rid of it, I'll never know!!!! I don't know what your son ended up with, but mine was built on a really nice m1917 sporter. I sold it to a guy on the other side of the river about 40 miles from where your elk hunting partner lives...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The .300 Wby is a great round. As far as best, well, that is subjective. Everything living will die very quickly sans its heart. What destroys its heart is immaterial. That it is destroyed is.
Last September, I put a 900+ pound 7x7 bull on his butt with one 160 Partition fired from my 7MM Rem Mag. The fact is I can't think of a big game round that wouldn't have done the same thing provided a bullet from one destroyed its heart.
Were I accorded a rifle do-over, I'd go with a 22" barreled .280 Rem and never look back. But then again, I like short barreled, easy-to-carry guns.
Hunting success is determined by hunters' skills. A .303 British will kill just as dead as a .300 Wby if bullets from each stop oxygenated blood from flowing topside. Big game will die when oxygenated blood stops topside flow.
Therefore, it ain't the cartridge as much as personal preference and hunters' skills.
If I'm fortunate to go again this season, I'll be using my 22" barreled .270 Win. As long as I put a bullet in an elk's oxygenated blood pumping equipment, it will die. That is biological fact. And in hunting as is true in all that lives, biology is controlling.
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BTW, the 7MM Rem Mag was designed as a long range elk cartridge. My guess is that the 7MM Rem Mag has killed more elk than any other magnum cartridge. But that;s just a guess.
There is magic in 7MM Rem Mag bullets. To get better sectional density, ergo better penetration, one has to move far right on the power continuum where cartridges that hurt to shoot are found.
I have a Belgian Browning in .338 Win Mag. I've never hunted with it. It's far too power for everything I hunt. But it is a beautiful gun. About 30 years ago I fired it 3 times & have never again fired it. Were I to be able to hunt polar bear, I might use it. But then again, Eskimos & Inuit us the '06 with great success on polar bear.
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Flat trajectory. Massive downrange energy. Sub MOA accuracy from many rifle and handload combos. High but manageable recoil in most rifle weights. Almost unlimited bullet selection, and widely universal availability of factory ammo, if needed
If you were on a trophy hunt for big bulls, could you really come up with a better choice?
For myself, the next bull will fall to another TSX, 165 or 180 gr, with extreme confidence.
Why undergun yourself with lesser armament, or overrun yourself with higher recoil?
If Roy himself were around today, I'm guessing he would endorse his 300 as perfection on elk. As far as I’m concerned, the premise of the question (“The 300 Wby Mag for elk- is there anything better?”) is wrong. “Better” is an individual assessment based on specific criteria. There is no universal “better” as the criteria will necessarily vary from individual to individual. Before addressing that matter, let me comment on the supposed advantages of the .300 WBY as stated by the OP. Flat trajectory: Most game is taken within 300 yards where many cartridges are capable of providing a “flat enough” trajectory. My .257 Roberts shoots way flatter than necessary for such ranges. The real advantage of “flat” shooting magnums comes in at ranges over 500-600 yards, ranges at which most people a) have no business attempting a shot due to lack of practice and b) have no idea what the actual trajectory is (and usually underestimate the drop in my experience). In 33 years of hunting elk, I’ve never taken a shot where a .308 Win would not have sufficed. “Flat” shooting cartridges are nice but rarely necessary. Massive downrange energy: Dead is dead. More energy won’t make an animal more dead. It can, however, result in excessive wastage of the meat. Once a certain level of energy transfer is reached, the law of diminishing returns kicks in with a vengeance. Once again the advantage is most important at ranges far beyond where most game is taken. Sub-MOA accuracy: Many cartridges are capable of sub-MOA accuracy. Many of those can provide more than adequate on-game performance with far less recoil and expense than a .300WBY. High but manageable recoil: Manageable for whom? Many people find .30-06 levels of recoil objectionable. The recoil of my .45-70 hunting loads makes any .300WBY load look tame by comparison but the older I get the more I appreciate cartridges that have relatively mild recoil. Almost unlimited bullet selection: While there are a log of bullets available for .308” bores, the same hunting bullets I would use in a .300 WBY are available for most common bore diameters, including North Fork SS, Barnes TTSX, Nosler AccuBond, and Swift A-Frame. If you prefer cup-and-core hunting bullets you would be hard pressed to find a common bore diameter for which such bullets are not readily available. Widely universal availability of factory ammo: That claim is a self-contradicting oxymoron. (And yes, I know “self-contradicting oxymoron” is repetitive.) “Widely” and “universal” are mutually exclusive terms. But never mind that – I suspect factory .30-06 ammo (and .300WM ammo for that matter) is available at far more places, and in more varieties for far less cost, than is .300WBY factory ammo. Could I come up with a “better” choice for a trophy hunt for big bulls? Yes, and easily so, as I have quite a few rifles that would be more than adequate but don’t have a .300 WBY or any desire to purchase one. Moreover, they would undoubtedly do 99.9% of the jobs I could do with a .300 WBY with less recoil and less cost. But what is “better for me is not necessarily “better” for the next person.
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I do like smash-mouth cartridges but I also like light rifles; therein lies a conundrum requiring some compromise.
Though I've taken relatively few elk (eleven or twelve), they've mostly been between four and five hundred yards.
It'll be a 300 B at 8.5 lbs all up for me this fall or a 6.25 lb 284 all up at back-up; or vice-versa. I like 'em both.
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Shoot what you can handle and hit them where they live and you will be killing yourself getting a Bull out of the mountain. The 300 Wby is a great hunting round if you can handle the recoil, most newbe's can't and would be much better off packing a 30-06 or 308 for Elk. Exactly.. All this gack is fun, but what most guys really need to be doing is practicing with their elk rifle on a more consistent basis...... I kinda dig the 300 Wby my son was gifted this past year from my elk hunting partner.. Scotty, that is a damn good shooting 300 wby. Reminds me of how mine shot 180gr. ballistic tips and partitions. Why in the hell I ever got rid of it, I'll never know!!!! I don't know what your son ended up with, but mine was built on a really nice m1917 sporter. I sold it to a guy on the other side of the river about 40 miles from where your elk hunting partner lives... It's an older Japanese MK5 that was my elk hunting partner's fathers rifle. He passed it along to my son last year. Hoping he gets a chance to use it this Fall in Wyoming for elk. I have had a 300 Wby in a Vanguard, didn't like it. I like what this MK5 does, so it is has kinda gotten me back on a 300 magnum kick recently. I think a 300 Win or Wby 70 Classic Sporter would be the one. I am dieing to put a rifle in a Legend stock and can't think of a better one than a 300 mag in a Classic.
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Have we collectively figured out yet that the 300 Weatherby knocks the snot out of bull elk? As will a bazooka. Same thing, same results.
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The .300 Wby Mag is a classic big game cartridge. But it won't kill any deader than other big game cartridges. Mr Heinz Neaf knows this to be factual as did the new world record Yukon bull moose, the largest of the three species of North American moose, that he killed with a .303 British. Nothing living will remain in that condition sans its heart and/or lungs. Without oxygenated blood to any big game animal's brain, it will die. That is an unalterable biological fact. What hunters want to use to kill their big game is up to them. But they'll lose me in a maze of convoluted logic when they try to tell me that their cartridge of preference is best. As evidenced by Mr. Neaf's new world record moose, a .303 British will kill big game just as dead as a big magnum provided a bullet from it stops oxygenated blood flow. God only knows how many head of all North America big game, and big game on other continents (including elephants), have given up their ghosts to the .45/70 Gov't using black powder loads.
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Without oxygenated blood to any big game animal's brain, it will die. Apparently, some humans can function without it.
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THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Why sansucki keeps coming back is beyond me. He has been repeatedly exposed as John Melvin Davis, the nutjob convicted felon (AKA Gunkid, google his federal penitentiary resulting exploits)....
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Why sansucki keeps coming back is beyond me. He has been repeatedly exposed as John Melvin Davis, the nutjob convicted felon (AKA Gunkid, google his federal penitentiary resulting exploits)....
Slow learner..
All the bottom feeders resurface about politicking time Mac. Gunner, that 348 you got from me would make a hell of an elk rifle. I'll bet those 250gr. barnes will knock the chit out of one...
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I'm happy with the old 06.
If I step up to a magnum it's going to be 338
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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I've had three shoulder operations, I'm 56 and won't use a muzzle brake. For me a .300 Weatherby is not an option. If I could shoot one without the attending pain and not being able to lift my shoulder for two weeks then it might be an option. So in my situation it is not the perfect elk caliber. I'll take a plain jane .270 Winchester or 30-06.
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When hunting anything in the mountains I would rather have a light weight rifle to a heavy ole Mark V with a 26" barrel.
Caliber/recoil range around 7RM, 300 WSM would be maximum for me.
Sizzling velocity used to be preferred before the scopes got better. Now you can twist a turret or use a ballistic style reticle and extreme velocity is no longer required for long range hits.
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While obviously most associate this cartridge with the the same named rifles, it need not be. The 300 B can be made or found in other packages, some not as heavy as the Weatherby models.
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When hunting anything in the mountains I would rather have a light weight rifle to a heavy ole Mark V with a 26" barrel.
Caliber/recoil range around 7RM, 300 WSM would be maximum for me.
Sizzling velocity used to be preferred before the scopes got better. Now you can twist a turret or use a ballistic style reticle and extreme velocity is no longer required for long range hits. My .300 Wby Mk. V. now weighs 8lb. 14 oz. all up, with McMillan Edge stock, Talley LW mounts, and Leupold VX3 2.5-8x scope. I carry it easily all day, with just enough weight to help tame the .300 recoil. There's still no substitute for high velocity with a high BC bullet to minimize wind drift.
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I had an edge break on me shooting a 300 wm with 200gr partitions. After that experience, I wouldn't feel confident putting one on my mkv 300 wby. Is it a weatherby pattern or other?
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My son guided elk hunts for an outfit in Wyoming last year. I've always appreciated the art of asking questions as a teaching tool for younger ones.
I asked my son about rifles he'd seen in camp. His reply......One man had a 30-378 weatherby mag and this is what I want to get.
I asked my son if he new what the most successful hunter in camp was carrying. Sons reply.....6.5 sweede
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My son guided elk hunts for an outfit in Wyoming last year. I've always appreciated the art of asking questions as a teaching tool for younger ones.
I asked my son about rifles he'd seen in camp. His reply......One man had a 30-378 weatherby mag and this is what I want to get.
I asked my son if he new what the most successful hunter in camp was carrying. Sons reply.....6.5 sweede
Son.....I want you to think about that!
Shod If the guy carrying a 30-30 happens to run across the elk and the others don't, it doesn't matter what the hell they are carrying. Same thing I guess, but that's not what the OP wanted to know. I guess, the "best" rifle/cartridge for elk hunting is the one that gets the job done...
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BSA, I suppose I was working at answering the question in a non threatening or offensive way.
I'll attempt to answer the question in a more direct way.
The 270 and 30/06 have killed more elk than the 300 weatherby has dreamed of. If you gave 50 folks a 300 weatherby and 50 folks a 270/30/06 the 270-30/06 crowd would be more successful every time.
Magnums are comprised of hype, recoil, and muzzle blast that is far removed from any real world gain.
The reality is recoil and muzzle blast are the exact components that seem to contribute to poor shot placement according to bench rest and competition shooter also backed up and confirmed by a large number of hunters whom do more than read books and charts.
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BSA, I suppose I was working at answering the question in a non threatening or offensive way.
I'll attempt to answer the question in a more direct way.
The 270 and 30/06 have killed more elk than the 300 weatherby has dreamed of. If you gave 50 folks a 300 weatherby and 50 folks a 270/30/06 the 270-30/06 crowd would be more successful every time.
Magnums are comprised of hype, recoil, and muzzle blast that is far removed from any real world gain.
The reality is recoil and muzzle blast are the exact components that seem to contribute to poor shot placement according to bench rest and competition shooter also backed up and confirmed by a large number of hunters whom do more than read books and charts.
Shod
Absurd statement. I have never felt recoil when pulling the trigger on game and have seen this confirmed by my petite 4'11" wife, who do a malfunction on her 308, had to use my 375h&h with full power 270 gr tsx loads to shoot her quarry. She said she didn't feel the recoil. Have let me nephew practice lots with 223 and then gave him a "real" rifle (308 with 150 btips) to go hunting with. Made a perfect shot and didn't feel the recoil either.
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BSA, I suppose I was working at answering the question in a non threatening or offensive way.
I'll attempt to answer the question in a more direct way.
The 270 and 30/06 have killed more elk than the 300 weatherby has dreamed of. If you gave 50 folks a 300 weatherby and 50 folks a 270/30/06 the 270-30/06 crowd would be more successful every time.
Magnums are comprised of hype, recoil, and muzzle blast that is far removed from any real world gain.
The reality is recoil and muzzle blast are the exact components that seem to contribute to poor shot placement according to bench rest and competition shooter also backed up and confirmed by a large number of hunters whom do more than read books and charts.
Shod
Absurd statement. I have never felt recoil when pulling the trigger on game and have seen this confirmed by my petite 4'11" wife, who do a malfunction on her 308, had to use my 375h&h with full power 270 gr tsx loads to shoot her quarry. She said she didn't feel the recoil. Have let me nephew practice lots with 223 and then gave him a "real" rifle (308 with 150 btips) to go hunting with. Made a perfect shot and didn't feel the recoil either. I'll agree, it is an obsurd statement. However I didn't want to get into a pizzing match. Like I've said numerous times. Shooting 1 rifle vs. another is same same personally in a hunting situation. It all boils down to fundamentals. If you don't have them, you just don't have them regardless of which rifle or cartridge you are shooting. Now if you are scared of big rifles with more recoil, then I'll agree you have no business shooting a magnum. Leave the bigger guns to the grown-ups who can handle them.. . Not directed at Shodd or kman, just stating a simple fact..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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All about fundamentals I bought my daughter a vanguard in 223 so she can shoot all day long practice practice and practice.. Time for hunting get her hunting rifle out and off we go.. I know guys who shoot 300 win mags no problem they shoot a 338 and they are whimpering in the corner lol..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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All about fundamentals I bought my daughter a vanguard in 223 so she can shoot all day long practice practice and practice.. Time for hunting get her hunting rifle out and off we go.. I know guys who shoot 300 win mags no problem they shoot a 338 and they are whimpering in the corner lol.. ... Fundamentals are generally best learned with rimfires and small centerfire cartridges...Good on you for trying to teach your daughter right from the beginning..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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All about fundamentals I bought my daughter a vanguard in 223 so she can shoot all day long practice practice and practice.. Time for hunting get her hunting rifle out and off we go.. I know guys who shoot 300 win mags no problem they shoot a 338 and they are whimpering in the corner lol.. ... Fundamentals are generally best learned with rimfires and small centerfire cartridges...Good on you for trying to teach your daughter right from the beginning.. Yep I really need to get her a bull barrel 223. But we get to the range and I plop a bag off ammo next to her. tell her to check the barrel to see how hot it is she's a pretty good learner that's for sure I have two 223 but I never get to shoot mine my daughter shoots one, barrel gets warm she grabs the other and shoots it. So a nice bull barrel 223 with a good scope and have her shoot out to 200yds be sweet.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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.300 Wby, 180 NPT, 150 yds. I'm sure there are a number of rounds that would whack an elk as good as the .300 Wby. How does one define "better"? DF ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/Canada2009013.jpg)
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I define that as one of the "better" bulls I've seen - very nice!
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All about fundamentals I bought my daughter a vanguard in 223 so she can shoot all day long practice practice and practice.. Time for hunting get her hunting rifle out and off we go.. I know guys who shoot 300 win mags no problem they shoot a 338 and they are whimpering in the corner lol.. ... Fundamentals are generally best learned with rimfires and small centerfire cartridges...Good on you for trying to teach your daughter right from the beginning.. Yep I really need to get her a bull barrel 223. But we get to the range and I plop a bag off ammo next to her. tell her to check the barrel to see how hot it is she's a pretty good learner that's for sure I have two 223 but I never get to shoot mine my daughter shoots one, barrel gets warm she grabs the other and shoots it. So a nice bull barrel 223 with a good scope and have her shoot out to 200yds be sweet. Now I can't be selling you all of my rifles....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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.300 Wby, 180 NPT, 150 yds. I'm sure there are a number of rounds that would whack an elk as good as the .300 Wby. How does one define "better"? DF DF. That is a damn nice bull!!!!!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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short answer to OP: "NO"..
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.300 Wby, 180 NPT, 150 yds. I'm sure there are a number of rounds that would whack an elk as good as the .300 Wby. How does one define "better"? DF Good grief, what a bull. Around here with all that green, that would be early September. There would be less hunting pressure, as rifle season wouldn't open for another month...
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BSA, I suppose I was working at answering the question in a non threatening or offensive way.
I'll attempt to answer the question in a more direct way.
The 270 and 30/06 have killed more elk than the 300 weatherby has dreamed of. If you gave 50 folks a 300 weatherby and 50 folks a 270/30/06 the 270-30/06 crowd would be more successful every time.
Magnums are comprised of hype, recoil, and muzzle blast that is far removed from any real world gain.
The reality is recoil and muzzle blast are the exact components that seem to contribute to poor shot placement according to bench rest and competition shooter also backed up and confirmed by a large number of hunters whom do more than read books and charts.
Shod
Absurd statement. I have never felt recoil when pulling the trigger on game and have seen this confirmed by my petite 4'11" wife, who do a malfunction on her 308, had to use my 375h&h with full power 270 gr tsx loads to shoot her quarry. She said she didn't feel the recoil. Have let me nephew practice lots with 223 and then gave him a "real" rifle (308 with 150 btips) to go hunting with. Made a perfect shot and didn't feel the recoil either. I'll agree, it is an obsurd statement. However I didn't want to get into a pizzing match. Like I've said numerous times. Shooting 1 rifle vs. another is same same personally in a hunting situation. It all boils down to fundamentals. If you don't have them, you just don't have them regardless of which rifle or cartridge you are shooting. Now if you are scared of big rifles with more recoil, then I'll agree you have no business shooting a magnum. Leave the bigger guns to the grown-ups who can handle them.. . Not directed at Shodd or kman, just stating a simple fact.. BSA, I agree with you. The fact is there are many hunters out there that shoot magnums very well. In fact most on this forum are far from (gun shy). I suppose I really should be more careful in my choice of words as I really don't want to affend any of the fine hunters that frequent the forum. There are no doubt some very knowledgeable hunters here who have passed on much more information that I've learned from than I could ever teach them. I'll be more specific yet less affending and attempt an answer that contains a bit more logic and reasoning other than I don't like magnums because I think they suck. Lol I'll explain my typical preparation for an elk hunt especially when working up a load or preparing a new rifle that I'm just getting used to. I'll use the 270 Tikka T3 I acquired several years ago as an example. Basically once my load work is done I'll go to the range 4-5 times a week and shoot right around 20 rounds each visit however I do bring other rifles and shoot around 50+ rounds of big game ammo. I shoot at 100,200,300,400,500,600 yds. My goal is I want to be extremely well versed in how my rifle is shooting and exactly where to hold for each yardage. I also want to be very well versed in any changes I may run into under different weather conditions. The end result is thousands of rounds of familiarizing myself with my rifle and I feel like my rifle truely becomes almost like an extension of my body. For instance two years ago I shot a Muley buck at 530 yds making a clean heart shot. Did I feel confident. My confidence was through the roof. I'd already made that shot 100s of times at the range with nary a miss. I didn't even follow up by ejecting the spent casing. I simply watched and waited. This is my main pitta and what I have noted over the years. When I show up at the range sporting a number of Magnums my round count goes way down. Not because I don't shoot them well but because.....well......300 rounds a week of Magnum recoil is going to do some bruising to 98% of us and then there's always that 2% that seem to be somewhat inhuman. Shod
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Is there a better Elk rifle than the .300 Wby?
Yes, in many cases there are "better" chamberings for many people.
For myself, I am one of those individuals who are very recoil tollerent. I shoot most bigger guns just as well as I do smaller rifles, but for many shooters this isn't true. For most, the recoil limit is somewhere near .30-06 level before shooting is negatively effected.
The .300 Wby is just past that limit and for those people a 7mm Magnum or .30-06 might be a better choice.
For those, like myself, who aren't as sensitive to recoil the .338 Magnum is a better choice as it hits a bit harder and (in my experience) kills quicker than the .300's.
What the various .300's have going for them is that they are a near perfect compromise chambering. It's recoil is stiff, but not as punishing as the bigger .338's. It shoots as flat as the smaller 7mm and .270 rifles. And it handles heavier bullets than the smaller chamberings as well....providing better killing power.
It is a near perfect "tweener" round that sits between "too small" and "too big" competitors for most people.
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The .300 is good, however I prefer the fast .338's for Elk.
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6.5 Grendel worth a TTSX 100-120gr bullet has taken a bull from this combo had taller cows-bulls from100yards to 450 yards. I'd use a 6.5 Grendel with no hesitation.
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Is there a better Elk rifle than the .300 Wby?
Yes, in many cases there are "better" chamberings for many people.
Exactly. From what I've seen at the range and in the field, , most people have no business shooting past 200 yards and that is a stretch for many. You don't need to put up with .300WBY levels of recoil for shots that close in and in fact the recoil would only add to the accuracy problems many shooters have. Here at the fire we are mostly a bunch of rifle loonies - completely atypical of the average hunter. I've hunted with guys who had their rifle bore sighted by the dealer on Day 1 and on Day 2 be in the field hunting with it, having never fired it at all. Numerous times I've asked people what load they were using only to discover they didn't have any clue. Many who spend more time with their rifles are still far from rifle loonies - they practice enough to be fairly good with them but simply have other priorities. They are quite happy and successful with their .30-06 or whatever and feel no need or desire for anything else. Daughter #1 is no longer a kid but she is still rather petite and doesn't care much for recoil. For her first elk hunt we settled on a .308 Win with a 130g TTSX running 3045fps at the muzzle. Recoil is very moderate at about 15 ft-lbs. She is not prepared for ranges over 300-350 yards and within her range I expect that load to work just fine. Unfortunately she only had 2 days to hunt this year and didn't get a shot opportunity. We'll have to wait until at least next year to find out how that combo really performs. While I've taken two elk with a .338WM with a 225g AccuBond @ 2742fps, the last at 487 yards, and while I really like that combo, at about 33 ft-lbs the recoil is more than most people are comfortable with. A .300 WBY factory 180g @ 3240fps claimed will probably exceed this by 1 pound or so in the same weight rifle (depends on powder charge, could be as much as +3 ft-lbs). My .300WM loads (180g @ 3033fps) run noticeably less at about 28 ft-lbs. and have proven capable of whacking elk just fine at 400 yards, my longest with it so far. Under perfect conditions I'd take shots out to 600 yards (the extent of my regular practice) with this combo and not worry about whether or not I had "enough gun". Tomorrow I'll be taking my .338WM/225g AB/2742fps, a .30-06/150g AB/2991fps and my .280 Rem/140g AB/2900fps to the range to decide which two will be going elk hunting. Frankly, I doubt it makes much difference in terms of final outcome. I do know I'd rather pull the trigger on the .30-06 or .280.
For myself, I am one of those individuals who are very recoil tollerent. I shoot most bigger guns just as well as I do smaller rifles, but for many shooters this isn't true. For most, the recoil limit is somewhere near .30-06 level before shooting is negatively effected.
The .300 Wby is just past that limit and for those people a 7mm Magnum or .30-06 might be a better choice.
Recoil for 150-180g .30-06 loads typically run around 20-24 ft-lbs. My 7mm RM loads are about 22-25 ft-lbs depending on the specific load, not much different than .30-06 loads. Not to be picky but a .300WBY load that runs up to 10 ft-lbs more is considerably more than 'just past' those recoil levels.
For those, like myself, who aren't as sensitive to recoil the .338 Magnum is a better choice as it hits a bit harder and (in my experience) kills quicker than the .300's.
What the various .300's have going for them is that they are a near perfect compromise chambering. It's recoil is stiff, but not as punishing as the bigger .338's. It shoots as flat as the smaller 7mm and .270 rifles. And it handles heavier bullets than the smaller chamberings as well....providing better killing power.
It is a near perfect "tweener" round that sits between "too small" and "too big" competitors for most people.
For 20+ years my only bolt action big game rifle was a 7mm RM. I often wondered if a .300WM would have been a better choice and eventually I got one. As much as I like that .300WM, its advantages with the loads I use are vanishingly small when compared to the 7mm RM. At the ranges I've used it (400 yards max), it doesn't have a lot of advantage over a gentler .30-06, either. Last night Daughter #1 got married to Son-in-Law #2. Like Son-in-Law #1, he is getting a .30-06 as a wedding present. For 90% of all hunters and hunting situations I think that is more gun than they will ever need. Not knocking your choices, though, I think the .338WM will likely make the elk hunt this year - the main question in my mind is whether to take the .30-06 or .280 Rem.
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What ever I take out on any given day is better than a 300 bee for me. Easy as that.
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Give me a .270 and Partitions and I'll show you dead elk until you're sick of looking at dead elk.
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Give me a .270 and Partitions and I'll show you dead elk until you're sick of looking at dead elk.
It's always been the Indian, not the arrow. Pretty hard to argue with this. The 300 Weatherby is no doubt a great elk cartridge. But today the world is so full of great elk cartridges you can't keep up with them all. Personally I'd rather have a 7mm Mashburn. It kicks less.
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The puny 270 Win throwing a 140 gr TSX worked for me a couple of weeks ago. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa437/boxhead61/IMG_0934_zpsdmcyjgpa.jpg)
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The perfect elk rifle/cartridge is the one in your hands when hunting elk. This is not rocket science.
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Whatever I have is right... but bigger animals mean wider bullets to me basically...
But I think it only really could matter in non perfect situations.
I'd hunt em with a 243, understanding the limitations and using a barnes and the right shot angle and distance without a doubt.
It would not be my trophy go to rifle... that one would very likely be 338 of some flavor if not slightly larger possibly.
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Hit the range yesterday and narrowed down my choices for the elk hunt. semi-custom Ruger boat paddle /stainless .338 WM wiht 225g AB and Ruger Hawkeye All-Weather .280 Rem wiht 140g AB.
Don't know which will be the one I grab opening morning but don't think it makes much difference. Neither one is a .300WBY and I don't think that will make a difference, either.
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The perfect elk rifle/cartridge is the one in your hands when hunting elk. This is not rocket science. Just make sure the cartridge goes with said rifle. I was reading somewhere where this dumb azz brought the wrong ammo for his rifle when he went elk hunting last year... Forgot who that was... 
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The perfect elk rifle/cartridge is the one in your hands when hunting elk. This is not rocket science. Just make sure the cartridge goes with said rifle. I was reading somewhere where this dumb azz brought the wrong ammo for his rifle when he went elk hunting last year... Forgot who that was... I heard that also. Discovered .45-70 ammo wouldn't chamber in the .257 Roberts worth a damn...
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The perfect elk rifle/cartridge is the one in your hands when hunting elk. This is not rocket science. Just make sure the cartridge goes with said rifle. I was reading somewhere where this dumb azz brought the wrong ammo for his rifle when he went elk hunting last year... Forgot who that was... Interesting..... I have the cartridge name written on my ammo boxes i.e. .270 Winchester,.300 Wby,7x57 Mauser etc.... easy to get the right one. And for those cartridges which I have more than one rifle,I have the rifle in which the ammo is for. For instance with my FN Mauser .270 Win,on the box lid it reads .270 Win FN. For my Winchester Super Grade it says .270 Win Super Grade. It's not rocket science.
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The perfect elk rifle/cartridge is the one in your hands when hunting elk. This is not rocket science. Just make sure the cartridge goes with said rifle. I was reading somewhere where this dumb azz brought the wrong ammo for his rifle when he went elk hunting last year... Forgot who that was... Interesting..... I have the cartridge name written on my ammo boxes i.e. .270 Winchester,.300 Wby,7x57 Mauser etc.... easy to get the right one. And for those cartridges which I have more than one rifle,I have the rifle in which the ammo is for. For instance with my FN Mauser .270 Win,on the box lid it reads .270 Win FN. For my Winchester Super Grade it says .270 Win Super Grade. It's not rocket science. It isn't rocket science but it does require remembering to change the ammo when you change the rifle at the last second... ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/257_Roberts_Ammo.jpg)
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With the two examples I gave the FN load is a 150 gr Nosler Partition and the load for the Super Grade is a 130 gr Nosler Partition. If I forget what the load is,I open the box and look at the paper which has the info.
Either of those two loads will handle anything I want to hunt with a .270 Winchester.
For my third .270,it uses a 130 gr Swift A-Frame. On that box it says .270 Win CHG. CHG is Custom High Grade.
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Flat trajectory. Massive downrange energy. Sub MOA accuracy from many rifle and handload combos. High but manageable recoil in most rifle weights. Almost unlimited bullet selection, and widely universal availability of factory ammo, if needed
If you were on a trophy hunt for big bulls, could you really come up with a better choice?
For myself, the next bull will fall to another TSX, 165 or 180 gr, with extreme confidence.
Why undergun yourself with lesser armament, or overrun yourself with higher recoil?
If Roy himself were around today, I'm guessing he would endorse his 300 as perfection on elk. Back in my magnum phase, I decided to go with the 338 win mag after shooting and hunting different '300 mags'. I found with the noise and recoil associated with the 300 mags or the 338 I decided to run the 338. If you can shoot one of the 300 mags you can shoot a 338 win and have more bullet... that was then. Now, my last elk I killed with my 280 rem stoked with 150 grain ballistic tips. While not a trophy, the small 3x4 bull made it a whole 20 yards and tipped over very dead with his vitals turned to soup complete penetration with about a 1-1/2 exit hole. I did shoot a second time as the bull was stumbling out of the clearing and hit him in the last rib to angle forward threw the already destroyed vitals and broke the off side shoulder.... but I still would have shot a second time even if I had a 300 or a 338 in my hands... If there up, yer shoot'n I have been hunting a long time and once thought a magnum was the answer, but along the way its always been shot placement not the 'displacement size' of the cartridge. It did not take me long to find out elk just do not lay down dead after being vitally hit even with a magnum, or with ANY caliber for that matter. Shot placement, knowing limits and firearm familiarity trumps names, brands and all the money one can spend. The 300 mags are fine elk guns. A mans just gotta know his limits..... Most of those fine points bighorn gave about the 300 Weatherby could just a arguably be said about the lowly 30-06
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The perfect elk rifle/cartridge is the one in your hands when hunting elk. This is not rocket science. Just make sure the cartridge goes with said rifle. I was reading somewhere where this dumb azz brought the wrong ammo for his rifle when he went elk hunting last year... Forgot who that was... Interesting..... I have the cartridge name written on my ammo boxes i.e. .270 Winchester,.300 Wby,7x57 Mauser etc.... easy to get the right one. And for those cartridges which I have more than one rifle,I have the rifle in which the ammo is for. For instance with my FN Mauser .270 Win,on the box lid it reads .270 Win FN. For my Winchester Super Grade it says .270 Win Super Grade. It's not rocket science. It isn't rocket science but it does require remembering to change the ammo when you change the rifle at the last second... On the other hand, it helps to read the labels in the box, something I forgot to do when in a hurry last Friday morning in the dark... ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/20151108_061928-1.jpg) Left to right, .338WM, .280 Rem fired in a .338WM, .280 Rem, .375 Win fired in a .45-70 ( a mistake I made years ago). ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/20151107_222641-1.jpg) Ended up taking my 6x with my buddy's 7mm RM and a 160g Grand Slam. 160g Grand Slam recovered from 6x5 bull, 411 yards, quartering away: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/20151109_034228-1-11.jpg)
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Lets hear the story behind that first shot, Coyote Hunter!
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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How much better is a Weaterby than a Winchester in 300 mag?
What % faster in MV?
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RR, I have both.. Both 700's with Lilja barrels.. The Win. has a 26" the Wea. a 27".. With the loads I checked, the Wea. is about 100 fps. faster than the Win.. I also have a .300 win. with a 28" barrel with my std. load, it shoots about 75 fps. than the Wea.. To me they are both great rounds.. They have excellent speed with lighter bullets and with 220's they have ample power for any game we have..
The one advantage that I see with the Win.. In a long action like the 700, I can seat the bullet out as far as I need to to achieve accuracy.. In the Wea. caliber, the magazine box limits that ability.. But so far the Wea. is a very accurate rifle..
John Jobson was a big fan of the .270, but somewhere in my files I have his article on elk rifles.. He said the .300 Wea. was about the perfect rifle for elk.. He was an experienced hunter, reloader and shooter, I always felt he knew what he was talking about..
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They are very close in comparison,but it seems that the Winchester is much more common for brass, manufactured ammunition and guns available in that caliber that all these conveniences make up for the slight advantage in fps.
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No doubt!! In equal barrel lengths, and given a long magazine like the 700, they are very close, but the Wea. does have a bit of an edge..
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300 ultra for those born from the late 70's on..
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In these days of near-continuous shortage, I'd probably go Win mag over WBY just for brass availability alone. Sad but true.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Give me a .270 and Partitions and I'll show you dead elk until you're sick of looking at dead elk.
It's always been the Indian, not the arrow. Pretty hard to argue with this. The 300 Weatherby is no doubt a great elk cartridge. But today the world is so full of great elk cartridges you can't keep up with them all. Personally I'd rather have a 7mm Mashburn. It kicks less. Bob, my 300 B is in a Blaser R8, 8.5 lbs scoped. I don't know what it is--it certainly kicks but doesn't seem excessive to me at all. Maybe it was all those years of lighting the 340's fire. 😳 😀
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I had a couple Ultra's.. With a 28.5 in barrel they were something.. With a shorter barrel, I am not so sure..
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If your not picky about brand I have never seen any shortage of 30 cal magnum brass. At least as it pertains to 300 wsm, 300 win mag, 300 Weatherby or 300 ultra.
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I had a couple Ultra's.. With a 28.5 in barrel they were something.. With a shorter barrel, I am not so sure.. A 24" tubed ultra will run 3300 pretty easy.
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Give me a .270 and Partitions and I'll show you dead elk until you're sick of looking at dead elk.
It's always been the Indian, not the arrow. Pretty hard to argue with this. The 300 Weatherby is no doubt a great elk cartridge. But today the world is so full of great elk cartridges you can't keep up with them all. Personally I'd rather have a 7mm Mashburn. It kicks less. Bob, my 300 B is in a Blaser R8, 8.5 lbs scoped. I don't know what it is--it certainly kicks but doesn't seem excessive to me at all. Maybe it was all those years of lighting the 340's fire. 😳 😀 George recoil is SO subjective. But after a few sessions with a hunting weight 340, the 300 Weatherby can feel trifling. I feel like the Mashburn offers the same down-level of recoil from a 300 Weatherby,that the 300 Weatherby does from a 340.....which makes sense because in each case we're burning less powder and shooting lighter bullets. I do get to shoot 300 Weatherby now and then, side by side with the Mashburn. My buddy has a 300 Weatherby and I have owned several.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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(Signature) I have a 7mm mag. Why do I need all that other stuff? Bob - Is that signature new or have I just not noticed it before? In any case, my 7mm RM was my first centerfire in 1982 and my only bolt-action big game rifle for 20+ years. It go used for everything from light varminting to elk. Now I have a safe full of rifles, lever, bolt and semi-auto and find myself asking the same question. The answer I keep coming up with is "They are fun and I can". Works for me, although I now find myself wanting suppressors for subsonic use with my Ruger .308 Scout and AR .300 Blackout rather than new rifles. BTW, congrats on your new Remington .280 pump carbine - it looks like a beauty and I'm sure you're going to enjoy it.
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I was very pleased with my 300Wby Vanguard topped with a Zeiss HD5 3-15x50 with the Z800 reticle this season fot elk and deer in Colorado. We practiced out to 800 yards getting ready and the rifle was automatic at 500 practicing from field positions.
I shot a large cow at 550 yards right behind the shoulder, she turned to face me and the next shot caught her right in the center of her chest, both exited just behind the off side shoulder and she cartwheeled down the steep slope several yards before lodging between tree branches - pretty spectacular results.
The only downside was damaged meat 6-8" away from the entry and exit holes including neck meat, flap meat and a piece of back strap. Not ideal but on a huge cow the lost meat isn't a big percentage. I shot a small buck on our last day hunting and took a 140 yard neck shot DRT and no lost meat.
I'm a huge fan of the 300 B for elk and since I picked up the Vanguard dirt cheap the set-up with the Zeiss and a Timney trigger is sub $1,200, hard to beat that bang for the buck on a longer range elk stopper.
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CH: Thanks on the 280! Neat retro little rifle! Hope to hit the range today and shoot it. I have/had other stuff, too...used lots of it on animals. I noticed about 20 years ago that I grabbed a 270 or 7 mag just about every time I hunted...except brown bear and for that brought 375's and 338's. 7 mags (most any of them) are easy to like. Fast, flat trajectory,accurate. Bullets of ample weight and everything from high BC, long range styles to lighter speed bomb monos. And (relatively) modest powder charges . They recoil but don't beat you up. Pronghorn to moose versatility,and about everything in between. All this in moderate weight rifles. What's not to like?
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The only downside was damaged meat 6-8" away from the entry and exit holes including neck meat, flap meat and a piece of back strap. What is "flap" meat? I have my own definition, but it's context is usually confined to threads that have "223AI" somewhere in the title.
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I think the proper term is skirt steak, the meat along the ribs that around here we typically use for Carne Asada .
I grind most non steak or roast meat because I love elk burger by that cut marinated and grilled with beans and guacamole on a tortilla is just excellent.
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My Dad left me his 300 Wby. It was a pre-64 300h&h that was sent to Weatherby to be chambered there.
I killed 5 deer and 1 elk with it, and it hit like the hammer of Thor.
But, when my best friends son wanted to get a "magnum", I gave him the gun. He will keep it in his family and use it and appreciate it.
My "problem" with it was simply that I didn't enjoy practicing with it, because of the sharp and strong recoil.
Because of that, I would shoot about 3 or 4 rounds at the range prior to deer season, then go hunting, get my dear, clean the gun and put it back in the safe until the next year.
So, I decided to get an 06', and shoot all year long and use it hunting instead. I think it was a good decision, because the extra practice has made me a better shot... funny how that works.
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the nicest part about a 300 win mag is most gun stores have them in stock and that cartridge is very accurate.i have one in a Remington sniper rifle with a niteforce on it shoots 3/4 groups at 300 yards on a bench,but do not enjoy shooting my 300 win.mag it kicks nasty .i have built a new long range elk gun now 338 lapua with a recoil reducer on the barrel and that will be a better long rifle except ammo could be hard to find for some people. being a handloader for both not a problem.but if I went some place in the world on a plane for a hunt I would take the 300 win. mag just because ammo is easier to get all over the world.i own a 300 weatherby too and really see very little difference with a 300 win.mag except win mags ammo and brass is cheaper and to be honest the 300 win mag. is just a little more accurate, that's why the seals use them, seals use mostly federal ammo too,so sometimes that brass is around too,all three cartridges will kill elk and I like all three except the kick !
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The 300 wtby bridges the gap between the 300 ultra mag and the 300 win mag. It doesn't have the redeeming qualities of either imo. I base this on owning all three.
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A .300 Weatherby Mag is the best choice if a .300 Weatherby Mag is what you want.
For everybody else, not so much.
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A .300 Weatherby Mag is the best choice if a .300 Weatherby Mag is what you want.
For everybody else, not so much. Well said!
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I know many have a pet cartridge they love to hunt elk with , myself included but I did kill my biggest bull elk with a hoyt bow at 70 lb.s bull scored 374 b.c., all cartridges will kill a bull elk placed in the right place.just sayin
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Back in the dark ages (1890's) the question would have been "The 7x57 Mauser for elk - is there anything better?"
Now, over 120 years later, for some people the answer is still "No".
The .300 Weatherby has a lot of positive attributes, but it has a lot of negatives, too. Among those negatives are:
1. Typical barrel length is 24". Not horrible but not compact, either.
2. Typical rifle weight. Again, not horrible but not lightweight, either.
3. Recoil with pull power loads is more than many people want to (or can) endure. Definitely more than necessary for the vast majority of hunters.
4. Factory ammo costs. This morning the cheap stuff at Midway is 1.78x more expensive than the cheap .300 Win Mag ammo and 2.56x more expensive than cheap 180g .30-06 hunting ammo. Comparing Remington Express 180g Core-Lokt ammo: .30-06 (2700fps), $22.99; .300 WM (2960fps), $30.99; .300WBY (3120fps), $69.99.
5. Ammo selection. At midway this morning there are 116 options for .30-06, 72 for .300 WM and 27 for .300 WBY.
6. Rifle options. Almost every bolt rifle manufacturer offers a .300 WM option. Don’t bother looking for a new .300 Weatherby from Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Savage, Sako, Tikka, Montana Rifle Company, Nosler, or Kimber. In other words, if you want a .300 Weatherby, be prepared to let your cartridge of choice dictate the rifle manufacturer and model.
This is not to knock the .300 Weatherby but rather just to point out some practical considerations. While I can’t say I‘ll never own one, I can say I don’t see any remotely compelling reason for me to do so. YMMV.
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I still say there's something special about a 200gr Accubond whistling through the mountain air at 3100fps.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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The best caliber for elk is the one you can shoot accurately with the right bullet.
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The .300 Weatherby is a decent elk round if you don't need much reach and love recoil. But then if that fits the bill then the .340 Weatherby offers even less reach and kicks even more. But then if that fits the bill then the .33-.378 Weatherby offers even less reach and will kick even more. Need I go on??
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Yes, go on. How bouts a 338 RUM or a dinosaurus ultra rex magnum? Merry Christmas, John and everyone else.
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The .300 Weatherby is a decent elk round if you don't need much reach and love recoil. But then if that fits the bill then the .340 Weatherby offers even less reach and kicks even more. But then if that fits the bill then the .33-.378 Weatherby offers even less reach and will kick even more. Need I go on?? John what is your favorite round?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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