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I can shoot the big 30's and 33's as well as most, but I've found that if I wanna stay on my game in a manner which I choose to that I do mo betta with a big 7.

Even a 10 lb big 30 or big 33 can grow old if one's shooting it enough and from odd positions. I've found that many shoot them 5 or 10 times off a bench, sometimes with a sissy bag and they say hmm...what's so bad about that...?

I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, just stating my experiences is all.

Plus, I've found that the sub big 30's don't really do anything for me that I can't do with a big 7 or so. I have no experience with the 264 but am sure it's in the same league. Same with the 270 Wby and 257 Wby (those I do have experience with).

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I have a nice Vanguard deluxe in .300 Weatherby. I bought it used with a brake on it. I wouldnt like shooting it much from the bench because of the muzzle brake, but it kicks like a .243 and isnt really all that heavy.

The problem is, I hunt elk with my custom, light, 7.82 Patriot Lazzeroni.

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Of course there is nothing wrong with the extra reach the magnum 7mm and 6.5mm offer over the big 30s.

Most of the time it is not needed but when the going gets tough every little bit helps. grin


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I to got an elk this year a bee but it was not a 300. I love them all thou the bigger one was just right this year. With the sav as backup.

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I've killed 38 elk, all with .308 win, and a .280 Rem. All just as dead as if they were shot with a .300 mag or larger. I enjoyed the shooting a bit more though. Oh, I'm 6' and weigh 210, and can shoot those bigger rifles. Just choose not too.


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The Weatherby is not loony enough for my taste. I carried a 30-338lapua improved last week. With 230gr bergers at nearly 3200 fps with fireforming loads it is kinda between to 300 and 30-378 weatherby rounds. I will take the 300 lapua improved over the 300 weatherby because of the availibility of Lapua brass alone.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
I'm thinkin' old Roy would probably still take the .257 Bee to all others...


+1, 257 was Roy's favorite.


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After spending many years with the 300wby and 30-378, I'm happily re-visiting the 264win and now a 7wby.

Then hornady and berger threw a wrench in my new thinking with the 230 grain VLD's..Now the 30-378 may not see retirement for a few more years!But at 12 pounds (and a brake), will see less action than the 7mm..My 300bee comes in at 8lbs (no brake),and is just too much for me in the recoil department..There was a time when I thought I enjoyed shooting it, not anymore.

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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Of course there is nothing wrong with the extra reach the magnum 7mm and 6.5mm offer over the big 30s.

Most of the time it is not needed but when the going gets tough every little bit helps. grin


Gotta luv this, great quote...grin

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Since its hard for me to make time and the distance traveled to elk areas, I tend to think around .338 diameter is a good thing. I've a LOT of confidence in a 338 win mag for some reason.

I have a couple of 300 mags, and a 7x300 mag. I tend to migrate to teh 338 or the .54 MZ when I think elk, just in case I need to take an angled shot. Drop is something that can be dealt with easy enough.

Truth be told though, I simply wouldn't feel a bit bad with a 243 in my hands. Have to be a bit more picky, but right bullet selection and shot placement have always been big keys to things like death in an animal....

And another truth be told, I get bored with calibers easily, and with deer, generally am using a different caliber as often as I can. Just because I enjoy seeing what they all can do.

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I would not hunt elk with a 243.! There is absoulty no margin for error, and requires a standing shot at fairly close range with perfect shot placement. Most hunters are not willing to do that.
I have dug several .243 caliber bullets out of elk. The 338 is a much more reasonable choice

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The name "Weatherby" and "Magnum" offer more to those with egos than they do any real practical hunting difference laugh If you need more than an .06, you need a LOT more and any of the various .300's aren't much of a step up. That should fan the flames a bit. laugh Flinch


My first 13 elk were killed with a 721 Remington 06. My .300B is a 721 Remington 300 HH bored out to .300 WB, both are pre 60's manufacture. My choice of rifles has nothing to do with my ego or vanity. Nor would I state so of others here. It has to do with performance, the 06 starts to lag at 400 yards. You may say not, but I have seen elk walk away with shoulder shots, and others hit slightly back at that distance and beyond. Some to be recovered miles away. The 06 is a fine caliber, and I still own one but for the extra 100 or 200 yards the big 30's bring more to the table. I have a 300 Win Mag that I have owned since the 70's which is my primary.

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The 300 Wby Mag for elk- is there anything better?


Depends on who is pulling the trigger.


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Originally Posted by Bighorn
....Massive downrange energy....


You're kidding right? The 300 Weatherby is one of my favorite cartridges of all time but "massive downrange energy"?

Personally if I had my $20k bet on a chance at a trophy elk that I thought might require long range shooting I'd be packing either Weatherby's Accumark chambered to 338-378 or a custom variation there of. That said I certainly would feel well armed with the 300 Weatherby as well, after all I do own 6 of them smile




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I would not hunt elk with a 243.! There is absoulty no margin for error, and requires a standing shot at fairly close range with perfect shot placement. Most hunters are not willing to do that.
I have dug several .243 caliber bullets out of elk. The 338 is a much more reasonable choice


well I might be a bit more patient and a bit more accurate and picky than your average shooter/hunter. I"m well aware of limitations of ANY cartridge, probably save for my 50, but then again it even has range restrictions.

I doubt most elk on a 100 yard broadside ribcage shot could even think about retaining an 85 tsx, ore even at 200.

But my sole guide for elk is what works best on Nilgai down here and when the chips are down, and its balls to the wall, a 243 NOR a 300 of any flavor would be my choice. And at that point light bullets are not your friend.


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300 WM is a good cartridge, if you can shoot it and a terrible one if you can't. These days I like my light 7mm RM for my hunting needs. Plenty flat shooting for my needs with out the recoil of the larger case. I hunted some with one years ago. I shoot a 338 Winchester Mag if I think I will need more gun. These days a 250-3000, a 243 or a 30-30 would be plenty cartridge for the CT white tails I been shooting.


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I guess we an keep this rollin' as elk season is just four to five months away:)

I have a 300 Wea now in a 8.5 lb package ready to go. I have not had many difficulties with recoil through the years as I used 340 B at that same weight for over two decades and took about twelve Bulls with it. A little rearrangement of my battery and the 340 was replaced by a 300. The 340 is a virtual elk hammer. Of those twelve Bulls nome required a second shot, went beyond a few yards and at least half were taken between 300 and 500 yards.

The 340 was on a semi-custom Rem 700 Action which brings up the point you don't have to have Weatherby platforms for the Wea cartridges nor shoot the spendy factory ammo--two "disadvantages" some always bring up in regard to the B cartridges. I handload everything. And I have never had a Weatherby rifle though I have also had a 270 B.

I fully realize any cartridge in the 308-30/06 family is elk-capable, not to mention the 7 mms. In fact I have a lightweight 284 I would gladly use if so inspired that morning. The actual question in regards to any of them and their pro's and cons is, "is the shooter capable?"

I really like the magnums for elk but as important for me as the cartridge is the platform any of them are in.

Presently, the fall load planned for the 300 is a 168-gr TTSX or a 200-gr AB or Nos Part depending. A 375 proven load is a 260-gr AB over R15; the 284's load has evolved to the 150-gr ABLR over R17.

But from my bit of experience, I would pick a 300/340 class mag for elk with the 300 B being the one I settled on.

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John Jobson, a pal of O'Connor's and a .270 worshiper, wrote the .300 Wea. and 180 grain Nosler Partitions made the perfect elk rifle...


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Mine was a Vanguard in a Rimrock stock. I took a couple of elk with it using 180 Sciroccos--one with the original Scirocco and one with the later version. A few years ago, my brother was wanting a magnum rifle, so I gave it to him, mostly to have an excuse to try something else.


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It is hard to argue against a stout 30 cal 180 at 3200+ for western elk hunting. I suppose my only dislikes would be the recoil/gunweight/noise factors, which are not conducive to my ability to shoot well or hunt hard. For those who are immune to those, and there seem to be many on the 'fire, go for it.

Maybe when you get up to 340 Wby, elk are impressed. Anything below that- including 338Win, 300RUM, 300Win- hasn't seemed to impress elk beyond how much a 30-06 or a 7mm do. I've seen a bull take a few in the ribs with a 338 and act like nothing happened, and I've seen a modest 30-06 load at modest range take one right off its feet with same placement, single shot. Elk are hard to impress, most of 'em anyway. I've not been around for anything bigger than what I named though.


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