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I went back and read all the comments about using a long action vs short action and it seems that you can use the short action w/ a Wyatts box and if not using super long bullets.
What I was wondering most is, reading about barrel burnouts. Is it true that it could last as few as 800 rounds? I would use this rifle some, but definately not all the time. If it matters at all, I would use a cut rifled #3 bbl from Rock Creek.

Does anyone have one as a hunting rifle or a shooter of this round that could give me some better insight?

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I'd run a 6.5/06 if I was going to run a long action.


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and I would (have, actually) run a 264 Win mag on such an action. If I was building a short action 6.5, it would be a 6.5x284 all the way. So WHAT if the barrel is burned out in 800 rounds. I don't think it would be anywhere that short but if it was that is still a lot of shooting for a hunting rifle.

Pretty sure that good new 6.5 barrels are being made every day.


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That round count is often mentioned but not the way they are used. That short barrel life is for a 1000 BR type gun. Most guys are running this chambering for light bench which requires several 5 shot strings for record plus some sighters before each string. They are shooting around 8-10 in a row not allowing for any cooling. In fact they shoot absolutely as fast as they can with those 5 shot strings before the conditions change. At approx 1000 rounds the barrels are no longer competitive for 1000 BR BUT I'd bet they still shoot well enough for hunting.

A hunter being careful to shoot two or three and allowing some cooling time ought to have the barrel last far longer. I have a 6mm-284 that has over 750 rounds through it and it still shoots bugholes. This chambering wears out barrels far faster than the 6.5-284.

If I were to make a SA 6.5-284 I would get a custom reamer or spec out the gunsmith's reamer so you could use the higher BC VLDs and have the option of seating them into the rifling. Add the wyatts box, be sure the round will feed and not worry if the bullet is into the powder space a bit.

You might want to look into the shorter 6.5s that more easily fit into a SA. The 260 or 260 AI, 6.5 creedmoor or even the 6.5 x 47 Lapua are excellent choices with longer barrel life but slightly slower velocities.

The 6.5-284 and the other SA 6.5s mentioned above will perform wonderfully for hunting at some pretty long distances. Wind drift is the big issue so build so you can shoot the higher BC bullets. If you have a LA and want to step it up then go with 6.5-06 or 264 win mag. John Burns has done quite well with his 264 using 140 VLDs.

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I have one (although it is a long action stiller) that I use exclusively for deer and hog hunting. It is a very accurate caliber, hard to find a load that doesn't shoot good.

As far as barrel life, I am betting on a least 1000 rounds +/- 200. I only have about 300 so far, but I stay away from long strings. Shoot 3 or 5 shots and let it cool. Plenty of killing power for medium sized game.

Like the others of said, hunting use and competition are two different animals.

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My main hunting rifle is a long action in 6.5-284. My COL is 3.1" roughly. I could have done a 6.5-06 or a 6.5-06AI.

It is easier to find good loads for the 6.5-284 than the 6.5-06 in my experience. If the 6.5-06 was as accurate as the 284 case, you would hear mention of it in BR and F class but you don't.

For hunting rifles, there is no practical difference though. I would not build a 6.5-284 on a short action. Period. My short action 6.5 is a 260AI. It shoots great and is only 100 fps short of the 284 case.


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It is easier to find good loads for the 6.5-284 than the 6.5-06 in my experience.


Yes it is.

I've owned 3 264's and have no need to own another after going 6.5-284.

The 284 cased 6.5 will kill anything the 264 will just as well out to a 1000.

It's an excellent flat shooting and long range hunting round.

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Luckily I ain't in BR of F class, not that they have a frigging thing to do with hunting.


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So do think that if I plan to either use a 120 TTSX or a 130 AB that I will be OK w/ using a short action and a Wyatts box?

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I Shoot 120 TXXS Through My SA. With a Factory Box. No Problems So For. Also Got One in a LA. Its a Little more Forgiving. But Both Shoot Very good. I'll Never Shoot a Berger VDL Again..

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Luckily I ain't in BR of F class, not that they have a frigging thing to do with hunting.


I'm not either and can't figure why an 06 case or 264 case would have any andvatage.

Speeds out of my 6.5-284 match up to anything coming out of a 6.5-280 Ackley. And I can buy brass as is, no necking up or down needed.

I only mention a 1000 yards as the long BC's of the 6.5 bullets allow it to have enough speed to open up with moderate powder charges thus no need for the 264 case.

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Originally Posted by Azshooter
That round count is often mentioned but not the way they are used. That short barrel life is for a 1000 BR type gun. Most guys are running this chambering for light bench which requires several 5 shot strings for record plus some sighters before each string. They are shooting around 8-10 in a row not allowing for any cooling. In fact they shoot absolutely as fast as they can with those 5 shot strings before the conditions change.


Ummm.... nope..

Sorry I've competed in 1K Br for some time.. it isn't always like that. Sometime yes.. all the time no.

The wearing out the barrel issue is more case, neck shoulder angle thing.

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It is easier to find good loads for the 6.5-284 than the 6.5-06 in my experience. If the 6.5-06 was as accurate as the 284 case, you would hear mention of it in BR and F class but you don't.

For hunting rifles, there is no practical difference though. I would not build a 6.5-284 on a short action. Period. My short action 6.5 is a 260AI. It shoots great and is only 100 fps short of the 284 case.


Wow.. really... I have/had both. Both were extremely easy to get to shoot.

Most of the reason is brass. Lapua makes good brass.. br guys went with it.

Also in BR guys were shooting the SA and the 284. Shorter stiffer action meant better accuracy. (which I think is questionable )

IN the end the 6.5-06 will do everything and anything as easily as the 6.5X284. And because by design give you better barrel life. You just need a long action.

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I'm not either and can't figure why an 06 case or 264 case would have any andvatage.

Speeds out of my 6.5-284 match up to anything coming out of a 6.5-280 Ackley. And I can buy brass as is, no necking up or down needed.

I only mention a 1000 yards as the long BC's of the 6.5 bullets allow it to have enough speed to open up with moderate powder charges thus no need for the 264 case.



Well... actually F-Class and BR shooting can have numerous advantages in hunting.

Muscle memory...leads to consistency...leads to accuracy.
Reading conditions...leads to accuracy...leads to more success.
Trigger control...leads to better accuracy...leads to more success.
Spending time shooting... leads to consistency...leads to accuracy..leads to more success.

I'm getting 2995fps from my 6.5-06 and a 142. I had some issues getting that fast in the 284 case. I still got there but not as easily and with accuracy.
139's shoot very well outta both around 2880.

With High BC bullets the 2800 fps (ish) velocities will get you to 900 yards ( give or take ) at 1500 fps. Typically the magical number to open up a bullet.

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To answer the OP's question. The 6.5X284 is a very capable hunting round. You can hunt darn near anything you want in NA. Choose the right bullet for the situation and place it where you want and you are good to go.

If I was hell bent on the 6.5X284 it would be built on a LA ( gives you more flexibility )

If I was hell bent on a 6.5 for hunting ( and I am )

260 Rem or 6.5-06 get the nod.

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50 grains of RL17 get me over the 3,000 line with a 140 VLD.

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Originally Posted by Cocadori
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It is easier to find good loads for the 6.5-284 than the 6.5-06 in my experience. If the 6.5-06 was as accurate as the 284 case, you would hear mention of it in BR and F class but you don't.

For hunting rifles, there is no practical difference though. I would not build a 6.5-284 on a short action. Period. My short action 6.5 is a 260AI. It shoots great and is only 100 fps short of the 284 case.



Bull$hit on that. Like I said earlier, if this was true, the F-class and 1000 YD BR guys would use it. It is much easier to get the low ES needed for 1000 yd work with the shorter fatter case. Barrel life is exactly the same for both cartridges. I have a buddy who is a full-time gunsmith. I was recently in his shop and looking at his records. Barrel life is even. He has built over 100 6.5-284s and 6.5-06s. He had reams of targets with data on them. There is nothing wrong with the 6.5-06 for hunting. I don't think it would be competitive at 1000 yds.

I shot 1000 YD BR for 6 years with a 6.5-284. I shot against a lot of them. I never once, in 6 years, saw a 6.5-06 at a match and never saw one listed in the record list when perusing Precision shooter each month.

Ron used Norma brass for his 6.5-06 and Lapua for the 6.5-284 mostly. He built them on both short and long but with his latest reamer, he only builds them on long actions.


All this BR stuff has very little to do with a hunting rifle. I only bring it up because others have tried to refute it. I would not feel the least bit handicapped with a 6.5-06 but would probably go the AI route should I ever feel inclined to do one.

A Wyatts box in a short action will barely let you seat the longer bullets out enough to keep the ogive out of the case. I wouldn't build one for that reason. The 260AI is much smarter in a short action. Ron has been building a bunch of these the past 2-3 years and is impressed.

Wow.. really... I have/had both. Both were extremely easy to get to shoot.

Most of the reason is brass. Lapua makes good brass.. br guys went with it.

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Also in BR guys were shooting the SA and the 284. Shorter stiffer action meant better accuracy. (which I think is questionable )


They are using single shot actions too. A whole nuther world.


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Originally Posted by Cocadori
To answer the OP's question. The 6.5X284 is a very capable hunting round. You can hunt darn near anything you want in NA. Choose the right bullet for the situation and place it where you want and you are good to go.

If I was hell bent on the 6.5X284 it would be built on a LA ( gives you more flexibility )
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I see Savage makes 6.5-284s in a target rifle, only a matter
of time before they make a sporter in this caliber.

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I shot three mule deer and a bull elk at 420 yards with mine this year. No doubt great caliber.

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