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Never heard of crunchies either......lol

We just called them grunts.

Not that anyone cares, but here is my .02 on this whole debacle. I have been following this whole thing from start until now, and haven't chimed in on an opinion until now.

Frankly, I'm quite dissapointed with my fellow Campfire members. Many people here that I have respected for quite some time have shown a side of themselves that really makes me wonder if the campfire get togethers are something I want to spend the gas money on. Many of you have represented the mob mentality at it's worst.

I think these TN guys came here with a chip on their shoulder and a lot of bad baggage from another site. They brought that baggage here. That was their wrong doing and they were called out on it. They made their apologies, and have actually been active participants in a positive manner on a few other topics and threads. The campfire snobbery has reared it's ugly head and as a result missed the apologise and therefore kept slinging dirt and starting threads about them. Even in the light of that, they have been MORE well mannered than many others that I have seen here.

They are a tight knit group of friends with their own history and inside jokes. This is no different than many of us here. Just because we don't get it, doesn't mean they deserve to be chastized for it, any more than we should be chastized for all of our inside jokes made public.

Then Renegade50 showed up.

I watched this unfold and see it as a MASSIVE misunderstanding. The first batch that came gave a heads up that Renegade was mouthy. So, in light of that I braced for it and just lurked in many of the threads where he was. It turns out that he's opinionated, but not aggressive until somebody points their finger in his direction. Then, he is like most any man in that situation. He won't take your crap, because he doesn't HAVE to. The admirable thing about him that I've noticed is that he acknowledges that's he's "THAT GUY". We all know "that guy". We all know "that guy". He's the friend that will give you the shirt off his back, and the blood in his veins to see you have the life you want, and he'll ask nothing in return. BUT, he's not the friend we take out in public. Here is the cool thing I've noticed about him though. He KNOW'S he's that guy. So he responds well when trusted friends tell him that he's getting out of line. He trusts them. He knows they have his back, and part of having his back is not allowing him to make an utter fool of himself.

The first batch of guys have been decent members ever since they were called out on the baggage they brought from the other site. They have tried to keep a leash on their friend and he has responded to their restraint. Still, just like any tight knit group, if you start in on one of them, you'll have to deal with ALL of them. Much like us here at the campfire. That doesn't earn my disrespect, but rather my respect. It demonstrates the kind of character each of us wants in our friends.

I truly believe that if the Campfire let's these guys free of the image they came in here with due to the baggage from their previous site, we might find that they are campfire kinda folks. I have seen them actually TRY to be respectful, even sincerely apologize, only to get rediculed once again. I dare say that NONE of you would stand for that.

Renegade wasn't mocking any branch of service, nor was he mocking vets in general. He was making a personal statement about one individual. Granted, an individual I greatly respect and admire. This was twisted and perverted to make it sound like he was saying something he wasn't. I mean really folks, are we taking lessons from the politicians we so dispise with this kind of rhetoric!? Without finding out the facts, members just immediately said "screw you, ignored!" Talk about holier than thou snobery!

Flame me if you like, but I think these guys could very well be our kind of folks, but the Campfire made an ass of itself and didn't take the situation for what it really was. A bunch of jumping to conclusions, accusations, and arrogance shown around here. I'm more pissed off with this community than I am with them.

I was a blackhawk guy, and we were their "taxi's"

Do you know what sound they make when they don't clear off the LZ and we're coming in hot?

WTF was that ?

Yep, AIR CAV is where it is at!

Dedication to a waste of bandwidth!

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I prolly shouldn't post it here......go to youtube and type in Zac Brown Big Fat Bitch

But youse guys keep forgetting where that spinning thingy is posed to be! Damn Guess I'll hafta keep remindin ya!

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