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#6055017 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Nrut Offline
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Well TannerGun I am looking forward to your range report with 105's as I snagged a new SS 700SPS take off barrel on the 6th..

I won't have mine up and running until early summer at the earliest..
Gona be fun though! grin
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#6055102 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Nrut]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
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Loc: High Country Colorado
It shot under an inch with 2 different charges of H4350 at 100 yds... But I'm looking for better!

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#6055332 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Magnumdood Offline
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Tanner,

Are you going to coat the bore with DBC? I coated my 30-378 and it eliminated copper fouling, even when using copper solids like the Barnes TTSX.

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#6055423 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Magnumdood]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
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Loc: High Country Colorado
Probably not... unless I can get it clean down to bare metal, it won't work. I'll probably just hone on it a bit with Jb's and shoot the beans out of it. If I get a chance to after school, that is.

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#6055536 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Getting down to bare metal shouldn't be that hard. It's never been fired, right?

Even if it has been fired a lot, you can use some Hopped #9 to get the powder fouling out, WipeOut to get the copper out, and then a patch wrapped around a brush, smeared in JB Bore paste to get every last bit of fouling out of the barrel. Rinse with Hoppes, and you should be GTG.
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#6055596 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Jordan Smith]
Tanner Offline
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Jordan this is the weirdest damn thing I've seen. I'll push a few patches soaked in Butches down it to get the bore wet, and then brush. The next patch after brushing will be FILTHY. I haven't gotten a clean patch after brushing and I've done this process at least 20 times, with 2 different brushes.

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#6055671 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
mathman Online   content
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That's because unless you have a really smooth barrel, patching isn't going to get everything out. So the brush knocks some fouling loose.

BTW, are you cleaning the brushes between uses?

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#6055747 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: mathman]
Jordan Smith Offline
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If the barrel has never been fired, forget the brush. I would guess that you're just seeing colouration on your patches because either Butch's is reacting with the bronze brush, or else the brush is scraping a slight bit of the barrel steel away, which is wiped out with the patch.

mathman also makes a good point. If you're not cleaning the brushes between uses, you're just smearing the same crap back in the barrel for the patch to pick up.

Use Hoppes #9 with half a dozen patches, use the patch wrapped around the brush with JB paste for 30 strokes (use a bore guide!), one or two patches with Hoppes to rinse out the JB paste, then use 10-12 patches with Butch's. Should be down to bare metal at that point.
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#6055770 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Jordan Smith]
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I'd skip the Hoppe's. Butch's is better at removing everything.

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#6055910 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Bowman44 Offline
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Registered: 02/16/11
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I recommend trying Retumbo with the 105 A-max. I have a couple of 243's that love that combo. Retumbo gives a little more speed than H4350 with a little less pressure. Might be worth a try. T.S.

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#6055933 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Bowman44]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
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Bowman, how'd your balloon shooting go? What speeds did you see?

I think that I may just run a bunch of Butches down it, Jb it, clean it out and call it butter!

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#6056187 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Bowman44 Offline
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First round went well and I can definetly see a difference in the 105's over the 87gr V-max, mainly in wind drift. I got 3011fps for five shots in a 24" barrel savage, which I thought was about right. A lot of people don't understand that the 243 will get out to 1000 quite well and with basically no recoil. Good luck with your setup. T.S.

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#6056218 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Bowman44]
Tanner Offline
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What load did you stop at, and what COAL did you run?

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#6056266 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Bowman44 Offline
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48.8gr in my rifle, .005 back and winchester brass with Federal Match large rifle primers. They do push back a little harder than the 87's, but still not a recoil issue. Hodgdon listed 49gr as max, but my rifle liked 48.8 better. 49grs did not show any pressure signs, but you could definetly here powder crunching when seating bullets. T.S.

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#6056275 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Bowman44]
Tanner Offline
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Did you actually measure your length or just distance from lands? I'm just interested if you seated em to where the base if the bullet was above the neck/shoulder junction.

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#6056332 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Bowman44 Offline
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I did, but I am at work and don't remember, I will have to get back to you on that one. I would say that the base of the bullet is right at the neck shoulder junction though. T.S.

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#6056431 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Bowman44]
Tanner Offline
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Right on. For me, that puts my COAL at 2.81. Im gonna pick up a can of Retumbo today.

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#6056793 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
805 Online   content
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Loc: CA
Tanner Be sure to post some results. Im in the process of loading some 105VLD and retumbo in my 243AI and will try to shoot them this weekend. RL22 has worked well for me also.

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#6056968 - 01/17/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: 805]
Tanner Offline
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I just loaded up some with Retumbo- 3 each at 48, 48.5, and 49 grains. Depending on which shoots best, I'll go in .2 or .3 increments above and under it to see if I can really tighten it up (unless one of em shoots lights out wink ).

I'll letcha know on this thread.

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#6062456 - 01/19/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
rockchuck828 Offline
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Registered: 04/10/09
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Tanner just a little advise. Retumbo is not 243 powder even with the heavies.
I have a 6mm-284 that has quite a bit more case cap. than a 243 and it is still way too slow of a burn rate.
RL22 is about as slow of a burn rate that is realistic, my favorite in the 243 with 95-105gr bullets is IMR4831.
Right now on this forum many are gacking allover themselves that RL17 will do anything...it is a much better choice than Retumbo.
VVN160,RL19,H4831, hell even JB's TAC that he claim's you will never need to clean for the life of the barrel is a better choice than Retumbo......you've been gettin bad advice

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#6062720 - 01/19/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: rockchuck828]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
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Loc: High Country Colorado
I didn't get recommended Retumbo so much by members as the Hodgdon website. It listed Retumbo as one of the top velocities with one of the lowest pressures. I realize it's normally reserved for big fire breathing magnums- but I think it's worth a try. My initial testing today shot pretty well, about an inch and it was kind of throw down and shoot prone thing. I am going to give the charge a try with magnum primers to see if it tightens up at all.

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#6062726 - 01/19/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
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Loc: High Country Colorado
On a separate note... all the loads that have shot well have shown the old "2 in one hole, 1 about an inch apart" thing. Any ideas as what this could be, other than the nutjob yanking on the trigger.

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#6062993 - 01/19/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
Posts: 7893
Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
Seat the bullet deeper.
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#6063349 - 01/19/12 Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: MontanaMarine]
378Canuck Offline
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+1 on the dirty factory rifle. I cleaned a couple of my rifles brand new and found iron powder and really black stuff, very gritty. This was from Savage and the worst one was from a Remington.
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