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#6055332 - 01/17/12 06:08 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Magnumdood Offline
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Tanner,

Are you going to coat the bore with DBC? I coated my 30-378 and it eliminated copper fouling, even when using copper solids like the Barnes TTSX.
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#6055423 - 01/17/12 06:27 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Magnumdood]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 10321
Loc: High Country Colorado
Probably not... unless I can get it clean down to bare metal, it won't work. I'll probably just hone on it a bit with Jb's and shoot the beans out of it. If I get a chance to after school, that is.

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#6055536 - 01/17/12 06:58 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
Posts: 7772
Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
Getting down to bare metal shouldn't be that hard. It's never been fired, right?

Even if it has been fired a lot, you can use some Hopped #9 to get the powder fouling out, WipeOut to get the copper out, and then a patch wrapped around a brush, smeared in JB Bore paste to get every last bit of fouling out of the barrel. Rinse with Hoppes, and you should be GTG.
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#6055596 - 01/17/12 07:11 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Jordan Smith]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 10321
Loc: High Country Colorado
Jordan this is the weirdest damn thing I've seen. I'll push a few patches soaked in Butches down it to get the bore wet, and then brush. The next patch after brushing will be FILTHY. I haven't gotten a clean patch after brushing and I've done this process at least 20 times, with 2 different brushes.

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#6055671 - 01/17/12 07:26 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
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That's because unless you have a really smooth barrel, patching isn't going to get everything out. So the brush knocks some fouling loose.

BTW, are you cleaning the brushes between uses?

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#6055747 - 01/17/12 07:45 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: mathman]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
Posts: 7772
Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
If the barrel has never been fired, forget the brush. I would guess that you're just seeing colouration on your patches because either Butch's is reacting with the bronze brush, or else the brush is scraping a slight bit of the barrel steel away, which is wiped out with the patch.

mathman also makes a good point. If you're not cleaning the brushes between uses, you're just smearing the same crap back in the barrel for the patch to pick up.

Use Hoppes #9 with half a dozen patches, use the patch wrapped around the brush with JB paste for 30 strokes (use a bore guide!), one or two patches with Hoppes to rinse out the JB paste, then use 10-12 patches with Butch's. Should be down to bare metal at that point.
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#6055770 - 01/17/12 07:49 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Jordan Smith]
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I'd skip the Hoppe's. Butch's is better at removing everything.

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#6055910 - 01/17/12 08:14 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Bowman44 Offline
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Registered: 02/16/11
Posts: 497
Loc: Missouri
I recommend trying Retumbo with the 105 A-max. I have a couple of 243's that love that combo. Retumbo gives a little more speed than H4350 with a little less pressure. Might be worth a try. T.S.

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#6055933 - 01/17/12 08:18 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Bowman44]
Tanner Offline
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Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 10321
Loc: High Country Colorado
Bowman, how'd your balloon shooting go? What speeds did you see?

I think that I may just run a bunch of Butches down it, Jb it, clean it out and call it butter!

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#6056187 - 01/17/12 09:11 PM Re: First "Long Range" Setup [Re: Tanner]
Bowman44 Offline
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Registered: 02/16/11
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Loc: Missouri
First round went well and I can definetly see a difference in the 105's over the 87gr V-max, mainly in wind drift. I got 3011fps for five shots in a 24" barrel savage, which I thought was about right. A lot of people don't understand that the 243 will get out to 1000 quite well and with basically no recoil. Good luck with your setup. T.S.

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