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Is that what it was as a wildcat??

I like it<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I saw a pretty spiffy BDL at a gunshow once for $325 and almost had to bring it home, but resisted the urge..

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A buddy of mine shoots a 25-06 with ballistic tips for deer.
When I asked him how it worked he just started laughing.
I think that means it works pretty well.


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The difference between a 25-06 and a 270 becomes apparent when you load the 25-06 with bullets lighter than 100 grains. If you insist on shooting 120 grain bullets out of the 25-06 you are just duplicating the 270 performance.


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From a performance standpoint on deer and antelope, not much. There isn't anything a .270 can do with a 130 grain bullet that the .25-06 can't do with a 120 grain bullet, and vice versa.

Beyond that, it depends what other uses one has in mind. The .25-06 is pretty much acknowledged to be the ultimate long range varminter with 87 to 100 grain bullets, but a .270 with 90 to 110 grain bullets isn't too shabby in the varminator department either. Both, however, are a little heavy in recoil and muzzle blast for sustained shooting.

For game larger than deer, up to elk and maybe even moose, the .270 is hands down the better choice. Some will argue otherwise, of course, and some people hunt elk with a .243, but a 150 grain controlled expansion .270 bullet is going to provide much better penetration than will any comparable .257 bullet.

One other consideration is that a .25-06 generally takes a 24-inch barrel to live up to it's performance expectations, while a .270 will do just fine in a 22-inch tube. Put the .270 in a 24-inch barrel, however, and the .25-06 is going to have to really huff and puff to keep up.


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in terms of trajectory and performance?


Depends on what you are shooting. The .25 is a better varminter and the .27 is better for elk and larger. On deer-sized game there is a lot of overlap.

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Seems the one and the other are interchangable.


Again, depends on what you are shooting. If I was going for elk I would take the .27 and a 150g bullet, for varminting the .25 and a 75g bullet.

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How does the 257 WBY stack up against the 25 WSSM and the 270 WSM?

No interest in any of the three as my .257 Roberts with +P loads and my 7mm Rem Mag have that ground pretty well covered. But if I was choosing a new rifle in the .25 and .27 callibers, and couldn�t choose another Roberts, I�d stick with the .25-06 and .270 Win. No WBY, WSM or WSSM�s for me, thank you.

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In a nut shell. I would say; penetration is the main differance. The .270win 130gr at 3060fps will out penetrate a 25-06 115gr at 3060fps. Recoil?

What I have found is if you want to shot the 150's and 160's you are in the relm of the 7mm (.284). Not all .270's(.277) will stabilize the heavies. The round nose are almost a sure thing but that is not the .270's bag. The 130gr boattail is where it's at. Hit a whitetail with a 130gr boattail at 150yds and you'll be sold on it (I say to much wasted meat). If you want to go heavy the .280 or 7mm rem mag with the quicker twist (barrel rifling twist) is the way to go.

For me. I like the .257 120gr at around 2700-2800fps. It's flat enough for 300yds. If I can't get that close. Well I'll just sit back, watch and injoy the veiw. Not to mention a +300yd shot at something the size of a soccer ball while using a fence post as a rest is no where near a sure thing even with a sub MOA rifle.

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In a nut shell. I would say; penetration is the main differance. The .270win 130gr at 3060fps will out penetrate a 25-06 115gr at 3060fps.


I certainly would not agree.While the 130gr bullet is heavier,it is making a larger hole so penetration would be virtually the same.In any event it would be insignificant on a deer.

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Ah, for cripe's sake, just for the sake of compromise, split her right up the middle and get a 264 Win mag.

It out varmints the 25-06 with 100 gr bullets to 3600 fps.
Kills little deer better than either the 270 or 25-06 with 120 gr bullets at 3300 fps.
Outshines the 270 by moving 130's at least 100 fps faster.
And kills elk with a 160 gr bullet with a SD of .328 moving at 2900 fps.

And it does all this with less than ten grains of additional powder.

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I think the choice of bullet would have more to do with hole size then the differance in cal.

I was using that; Mass in motion tends to stay in motion. Mass at rest tends to stay at rest, thinggy.

A 130gr blistic tip most likely wouldn't out penetrate a 115gr barns X-type bullet.

As you said; It doesn't matter on Deer. A 30-30 is way more then enough.

The Q was; Is there any real difference between the 25-06 and 270 win?

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Don't know, don't care, I use both, happily, for my deer huntin'. That said, I call the .270 "Old Death", maybe I just shoot it better?


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I've shot a lot of deer and elk with my old 25-06 using 120g partitions at 2950fps. But a few years ago I bought a 270WSM and shoot 140g TSX at 3350fps.

My 25-06 has been used only as a varmit gun ever since. The 25 is more plesant to shot 40-50 rounds at Jack rabbits. Where as the 1 or 2 shots I take at big is no big deal out of the 270WSM.

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Although I agree with some of what you said about the 257 Roy, I question some of the stuff about doubling the diameter of a circle and also your comparison utilizing custom 27 1/2" bbls. Bbl. comparisons should generally be between two weapons with the same lengths, otherwise they are of little use. Basically, you gain about 150 fps over the 25-06 which is already a pretty hot cartridge. This makes the 257 Wea. the ne plus ultra of medium game high velocity and allows it to tread into the arena of bigger game where the 25-06 has no place.

The 22-250 has, as its parent cartridge, the 250-3000 Savage, as its name implies, NOT the 30-06 or its predecessor, the 30-03.

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Lets look at little logic to this?

What does the original question mean? If we are comparing two cartridges we are usually suggesting one of 2 options, that being:
1. Is one cartridge generally more effective that the other for a particular purpose? or
2. Can I do one particular thing with one that I cannot do with the other?

Now for some insight:

The .25/06 has less recoil and blast than the .270.
The .25/06 has advantage when shooting lighter game/varmints/deer because of "shootability" and trajectory.
The .25/06 with appropriate bullets has taken too many elk/caribou sized animals to be called inadequate.
The .25/06 handloaded with a premium bullet has more than enough penetration for elk sized game if you place the shot as you should, and the ""shootability" factor can be an aid to that taking place.

Now for the .270:

The .270 has more recoil and blast than the .25/06.
The .270 is usually made into lighter more portable rifles than the .25/06.
The .270 has a heavier weight range of bullets than the .25/06
The .270 does not have the "shootability" the .25/06 does for lighter game or precise shot placement.
The .270 has a larger caliber and increased bullet weight range to "assist" an imperfect shot placement.

What does all this mean?

If you load like bullets in each, say TSX's in both cartridges, 115 grain in the .25/06 and 130 grain in the .270 and place the shots identically in 2 like sized and like positioned animals, you will find both cartridges have enough penetration.
You will also find any real difference will be based on the individual degree of alertness between the animals so lets assume several dozen are taken with each cartridge, now what will the difference be?

The real answer is "whatever the rifleman thinks will happen, will happen" If you think you will fail with one and succeed with the other, you will be correct.

My experience with the 2 cartridges is that there is no animal that can be taken with one that cannot be taken with the other, up to a point, and that is more determined by the range (distance) the animals are taken, as that can influence the impact energy in which the bullet strikes.

I personaly think that speed of penetration has more influence in killing efficiency than caliber, again, up to a point.

Those of you who have used the .257 Weatherby extensively will know that it definitely kills deer sized game more effectively than the .270. I have a friend that has taken eland with the .257 Weatherby and after several safaris, takes no other rifle to Africa these days loaded with 90 grain X bullets at 3700 fps.

Confidence in the rifle based on first hand experience will demonstrate any cartridges attibutes.

For myself. I like the .25/06 as it gives opportunity to have a .30/06 in the rack as well and if we play this game to its logical conclusion, there is no contest between the .270 and the .30/06 for the larger end of the game range.

The .270 is only the better choice if you stay away from the .25's and .30's and go heavier to the .338's or lower to the .24's or .224's on the light end.

Son in the end, your gun rack will tell you if there is a difference between the .25/06 and the .270.


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I had a 25-06, very accurate. the caartridge is a barrel burner though. I burned out my barrel in like 500 rounds of not so hot stuff. Good for light skinned, smaller big game. I re chanbered it in 6.5x55 and am glad I did. 6.5x55 is great for just about anything in my book. It is primarily my deer and antelope round but I would be willing to bet that the cartridge has taken more moose that just about any one. The cartridtge was developed in Sweden and thay have a lot of moose there. I just sold all of my 25-06 reloading stuff and will never go back. Now the .270 is just about as perfect of a cartridge that a guy could ask for. If I ever went back to a .257 cartridge, I would do 257 Roberts, it is a 7x57 necked down. You can get all but about the last 100fps that you can with a 25-06 and shoot your barrel forever.

My favorite cartridges:.223,6.5x55,270,7x57,30-06.

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