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#6073992 - 01/21/12 Are Remington 405's Soft Points available?
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I can't find them anywhere, did Remington stop production?
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#6074059 - 01/21/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: RDW]
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I see that Graf's show them as currently out of stock. Normally when they list a bullet as out of stock it will return to stock when a shipment arrives. When the bullet is discontinued they drop the listing form their website. I ordered a bulk order of them about 18 months ago and had to wait a while for them to come into stock. Call Graf's, they can tell you for sure.
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#6074440 - 01/22/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Odessa]
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I noticed Midway shows "out of stock" "no backorder" and date expected 3/21/12. The no backorder statement is confusing but I agree, I would expect a company to remove the listing if the product is discontinue.

I would like to try the 405's in my Guide Gun.
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#6075071 - 01/22/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: RDW]
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It's too bad they aren't cheap any more. I bought a few hundred 10 years ago and still have most of them. A lee factory crimp die works well for this bullet.
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#6086253 - 01/24/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: one horn]
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Graf's said they placed their order July of last year.

Remington said they don't even have them on the production schedule but do not believe they are discontinued.
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#6092611 - 01/26/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: RDW]
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Try the Speer 400. I use the two brands interchangeably in my Marlin, went to the Remington because they were a lot cheaper and all I shoot is paper with my 45/70 anyway. I use the same load of IMR3031 with either bullet and they are equally accurate (scary accurate) out of my M1895 levergun.
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#6143319 - 02/07/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Odessa]
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Originally Posted By: Odessa
Try the Speer 400. I use the two brands interchangeably in my Marlin, went to the Remington because they were a lot cheaper and all I shoot is paper with my 45/70 anyway. I use the same load of IMR3031 with either bullet and they are equally accurate (scary accurate) out of my M1895 levergun.


You say you usethe same load for both, Do they shoot to the same point of aim?
thanks tom

BTW the in stock date at Midway on the rem 405's is now May 7.2012


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#6147570 - 02/08/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: pumpgun]
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Tom, Identical; I can tell no difference at all. My load is either the Speer 400 or the Remington 405, 50.0 grains of IMR-3031, Remington 9-1/2 LR primers loaded in R-P, W-W, or *-* cases. OAL is 2.540", velocity is 1645 fps avg (taken at 83 humid degrees). I did try the CCI-200 as a substitute primer once and the groups opened up (the above load will consistently shoot 1-1/2 MOA), I went back to the REM 9-1/2 and it performs best with either bullet in my Marlin M1895.
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#6148712 - 02/08/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: RDW]
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Originally Posted By: RDW
I can't find them anywhere, did Remington stop production?
Depending upon how many you need, I may be able to help you out. PM me for details.
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#6149434 - 02/08/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Naphtali]
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Tom, Been awhile since I loaded 45-70,but my notes are about the same as Odessa's. I always use CCI primers though.

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#6159629 - 02/11/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: saddlesore]
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Thanks Vince,

how have you been?

tom
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#6159636 - 02/11/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Odessa]
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Thanks Odessa

tom
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#6160447 - 02/11/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: pumpgun]
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+1

Still have some 405's left but you never know.

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#6160610 - 02/11/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: EZEARL]
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I still have most of a bag of 100, but I will be looking into the speer 400's. tom
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#6161164 - 02/11/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: pumpgun]
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Same here.

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#6197506 - 02/20/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: EZEARL]
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I started shooting 405gr cast because I could never find the Rem's. Oregon Trail 405's over either 40.0grs RL7 or 28grs IMRsr4759.

The one outside the group was from a clean bore.


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#6225591 - 02/27/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Bearcat74]
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Not sure if they truly have em,..But Cabelas shows they have some if you order 500... eek

Got a buddy that needs some..?
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#6234390 - 02/29/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
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Midway now shows then out of stock no backorder.

glad I ordered the speers lol tom
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#6237742 - 03/01/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Naphtali]
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Originally Posted By: Naphtali
Originally Posted By: RDW
I can't find them anywhere, did Remington stop production?
Depending upon how many you need, I may be able to help you out. PM me for details.


I appreciate the offer but I don't want to start loading them and not be able to get them later.


Edited by RDW (03/01/12)
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#6433272 - 04/23/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: RDW]
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Need to ask a question. Since the Remmies appear to be no longer available, or soon fixin' to be, if you slow the Speer's down do they penetrate as reliably as the Remington's, or close to it, or are they too soft?
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#6433942 - 04/23/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: saddlesore]
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After the first seasom of hunting with jacketed slugs for the 45-70. I read an article abour how easy, cheap, and accurate cast slugs were. I've accumulated a half dozen molds over the years and have never shot another jacketed bullet thru either of my 45-70s.
A 405 or 445 grain air cooled cast bullet brings down a deer at most any range that you could see still the animal. I've never had leading in either rifle, but then I size the slugs .459.
Since I make my own, I don't have to worry about anybody else's production.

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#6440292 - 04/25/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: arkypete]
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I'm going the cast route too. Got one mold on order right now

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#6458525 - 04/30/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: Deerwhacker444]
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Originally Posted By: Deerwhacker444
Not sure if they truly have em,..But Cabelas shows they have some if you order 500... eek

Got a buddy that needs some..?


I hardly ever order much less than 500.

Cause I weigh and sort them

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#6467825 - 05/03/12 Re: Are Remington 405's Soft Points available? [Re: temmi]
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I have no interest whatsoever in casting bullets, they are too cheap to order. I have about 250 out of 500 Oregon Trails 405 wide nose flat points on hand.

Cabela's do not list the 405's, they have some 300's on backorder.
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