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#6174890 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Savage_99]
BobinNH Offline
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Savage normally I am a CRF guy for my BG hunting out of force of long habit.

But the Defiance is a very well made rifle action of PF design,does not need to be blueprinted,and from what I know of them, make up into a very finely accurate rifle.I am not really concerned that this is not a CRF action...I'm certain it will work just fine.

I fully expect this to be a heavier rifle than my BG rifles, and a bit of weight will not bother me with this one. I fully expect it to go in the 9 pound category,and for the country I have in mind, and the intended use, the extra weight may come in handy.....I want it for hitting little animals at distance and the weight may be helpful for that purpose.

Out west, I will just sling the thing up,big scope and all,and start walking.... smile


Edited by BobinNH (02/14/12)
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#6174975 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]
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With a rifle like you propose on a 'benchrest' looking action it would good to own.

Once in a while we fall into one that will shoot well too. Here is one.



I was up in that spot just today and the wind was light for a change. All I saw were crows however. No coyote answered!
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#6175341 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Savage_99]
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Back in the 50's is when they stopped usuing M70's for serious target competition.

dave
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#6175616 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: dave7mm]
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Bob,
So many custom after market parts for the 700, not so many for the Sako.

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#6176020 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tanner]
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Originally Posted By: TannerGun
Originally Posted By: US_Patriot
Originally Posted By: BobinNH
#4 SS fluted 8.5 twist Barltein 6mm barrel. Chambering will be 6XC.

This is going to be a walking varmint/range rifle,shooting mostly the Amax/Berger type bullets,105-107 range. I will drop it into a sporter weight stock


Now that you have to buy an action; Find a doner rifle and part it out.

New Haven M70 Classic
Tubb firing pin
Tubb firing pin spring
Tubb cocking piece
Jewell trigger
McMillan Stock

Have your smith sugar up an action and screw on your barrel. With all your M70 experience it will be a natural fit to hunt with the 6XC in a M70 platform. All the Tubb parts are available at SSS the home of the 6XC.

Many nice custom actions out there but a good custom Winchester still gets a lot of respect from others at the range and can shoot with the best. Also that big Nightforce will be sweet on top of a Winchester Express, Sako Varmint, or Hunter stock...
Liking this idea. Bruce Artus and Kreg Slack a couple yeas back were shooting out to 3000 yards with a .308 A.I. and 264 Win Mag, based off M70s. Artus said they'd pretty much hold a flame to most custom actions...


Yes that is what they claimed, you try and shoot a bullet and hit something after it has been sub-sonic for over a mile...............it does not happen. I have tried it!!

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#6176049 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: rockchuck828]
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Pretty hit and miss out there, pun intended! But Kreg did kill a groundhog with a 338 Lapua at something like 3000 yards. Not like that's repeatable though wink

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#6176114 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: dave7mm]
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Dave,

The M70's are still used for target competition to this day here in CT.

The matches that I participated in was the Big Bore League at the Blue Trail Range in Middlefield, CT where we fired 25 shots for record at 200 yds from four positions.

At the Yankee League in Southington, CT we shot the same course seven times a year.
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#6176135 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Savage_99]
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Wow 200 yds.....how do you do it?
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#6176147 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tom264]
Tanner Offline
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Savage... Cool looking spot there. Be a nice place to shoot for sure.

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#6176241 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tanner]
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My "X Factor" is a crusher out to and beyond 1000 meters with 115 VLD's at 3000fps....The 6XC might just be the best longrange coyote rifle ever. Kills other stuff pretty good too.....grin!
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#6176256 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: StrayDog]
BobinNH Offline
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Originally Posted By: StrayDog
Bob,
So many custom after market parts for the 700, not so many for the Sako.


StrayDog: Yes it seems that way. Don't want anyone to think I don't like Rem 700's....I have had quite a few,and have shot lots of varmints with them, mostly woodchucks here in NE with a couple of 22-250's a 220 Swift Classic,and a 222.

Also a 25/06,and a couple of Roberts MR's.I also have a MR that I leave in Wyoming at the ranch as my backup rifle....just have never needed it.I will likely go with a Remington or Defiance for this project.I'm sure either will work fine.
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#6176262 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]
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Well....hurry up and get going on it....

grin
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#6176269 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: scenarshooter]
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Originally Posted By: scenarshooter




My "X Factor" is a crusher out to and beyond 1000 meters with 115 VLD's at 3000fps....The 6XC might just be the best longrange coyote rifle ever. Kills other stuff pretty good too.....grin!


Yahoo! Pat to the rescue.....! grin

That's what I'm talkin about getting! Pat's rifle looks like it has a heavier barrel than mine will.


Edited by BobinNH (02/15/12)
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#6176286 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tom264]
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Geezus Tom I just got started! My brain is addled going through all the damned options! eek

I'm on it.... grin
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#6176306 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]
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Laffin'

Hey did you ever get a .264 Mag you were pondering a bit back?
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#6176384 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: StrayDog]
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99, that was a sharp looking single shot in the photo..how about a bit of back ground on the rifle and scope...

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#6176469 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]
Tanner Offline
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Pat, thinking that I may have to get one of those leather cheek pads from you... they look sharp.

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#6176781 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tanner]
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Originally Posted By: TannerGun
Pat, thinking that I may have to get one of those leather cheek pads from you... they look sharp.


yup... i think I am gonna get one of those too. grin
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#6176892 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]
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The rifle is a Winchester High Wall done by the late Floyd Butler of Poultney, VT.

He used a Buhmiller barrel and made the stock and all the smith work. Its chambered for the .219 Improved Zipper. The scope is a 10X Lyman Supertargetspot.

I have used the rifle for about 50 years. Back when there were lots of chucks that rifle got it's share. Most of the shooting was with that marksmans sling from prone or sitting.

Butler link

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#6176919 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Savage_99]
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Are those cheek pads available? wink

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#6177304 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tom264]
BobinNH Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tom264
Laffin'

Hey did you ever get a .264 Mag you were pondering a bit back?


Tom: I've had three 264's, the last about 4 years ago now.No, I haven't bought one recently.
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#6179582 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]
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Bob,

If you are considering upgrading to a custom action I would recommend you check out the McMillan G30. Of all the upgrade 700 style actions this one is my favorite for a number of reasons.

1. Highest grade of materials, 17-4 PH stainless for the receiver and 9310 bolt.

2. Rear bridge is dropped down to accept all Rem 700 scope mounts. Most custom actions take the easy way out and keep the rear bridge at full diameter.


3. Large loading port gives better access to the action and makes loading and unloading surer and easier. I am not a fan of the reduced size loading ports in most custom actions as the minimal gain in stiffness is not worth the hassle of loading when I have gloves on or am in a hurry.

4. Functional bolt fluting. In my opinion fluting is done to give dirt and crap a place to go when operating under less than sterile conditions. Every other action I have seen stops the flutes short of the bridges and therefore it serves no purpose but cosmetic and a very minor reduction in action weight. The flutes on the G30 run under the bridges. The flutes are also not cut with a ball nosed endmill but rather with a milling cutter that produces steeper side walls in the flutes and more efficient flute geometry for breaking ice under the bridges.

5. The G30 has an enclosed cocking piece and it will help prevent gas from reaching the shooter in the event of a catastrophic case failure. I had a major case blow up in my G30 264 Win Mag (The one you shot) from a major screw up (bore obstruction) and no gas made it to my face.

6. The best designed primary extraction cam I have seen.

7. The firing pin/cocking piece can quickly be removed from the bolt in the field without tools.

8. Being a push feed action allows the G30 to have the spring-loaded plunger ejector that ejects the case sooner in the cycle than a blade style ejector. The problem with a spring loaded plunger is, very rarely, it can stick under harsh conditions or more commonly if you are running high pressure loads and shaved brass accumulates in the plunger bore. As a back up the G30 also has a blade style ejector that will kick the case out at the end of the stroke if the plunger ever fails.

9. The claw extractor is an improved Sako style.

All this extra costs extra and the G30 is pretty pricey but when you consider the cost of the G30 vs other custom actions you are at least getting something other than a warmed over 700 with a shiny polish on it. (Said in jest and not meaning any disrespect for any one elses favorite action) laugh laugh

On the 20 MOA bases I saw a Weaver 20 MOA rail the other day in a gun store for 30 bucks for the Rem 700. It was aluminum so it will be pretty light weight for a 1 pc rail.

For me I like the Rem 700 for the economics and solid functionality but if I want a better action I need to actually get more than a tighter fitting bolt, smaller loading port and shiny finish. The G30 is darn sure better. At least in my opinion. grin
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#6179828 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: JohnBurns]
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John what does the G30 run for bolt to raceway clearances?
And is the bolt and handle 1pc?


Edited by Ackleyfan (02/15/12)

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#6179980 - 02/16/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: joelkdouglas]
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Originally Posted By: joelkdouglas
Of those two to select from (Rem or Sako), I would choose the 700.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26367/Product/SHORT-ACTION-RECEIVER-BOLT

Another option, if you are blessed with bountiful resources.



Maybe not this particular action but I would definitely go with one of the Rem 700 clones of quality. It's just too easy to pass on, like Mr. Burns suggested.
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