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#6183123 - 02/16/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
FTR_Shooter Offline
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AJ, about the riflescope. My current Weaver has done well for me but I have noticed in the past couple of years that when it's heavily overcast I have a problem seeing the fine reticle with the target dot on the target at 600 and 1000 yards, especially the latter.

At the match last week, I simply couldn't it see it most times and I was aiming as best I could based on the outline. With a 1.1mm exit pupil and my aging eyes, I am just surrendering too many points because I can't see. Looking at my records for the last year, there seems to be a tendency for my scores to be down on cloudy days. In bright sunshine, the scope is fine, but otherwise...

So, enter the NSX with a larger exit pupil and an illuminated reticle. I hope to get it mounted this weekend and have it ready for the match in March.

(Now, I will have to make sure there are no smudges on the barrel.)

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#6183416 - 02/16/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
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Never let equipment beat you. Always make sure if you loose, you've beaten yourself.

That was VERY good use of data books to learn about the scope... they ain't score books, they are data books and very important.
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#6183671 - 02/16/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: rost495]
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The numbers confirmed a notion that was developing in my head.

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#6183850 - 02/16/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
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AJ, I downloaded the spreadsheet from Lilja. I made the adjustments for my barrel contour and the weight is just a bit below 6 pounds. Now, I'm thinking of going back to .900. Nah, I'll just leave it alone.


Just a thought, I'm thinking those heavy palma barrels that are comming in at 7.5lbs are a modified heavy palma contour. Some people are running the straight shank to 5" long instead of the standard 2.5"/3" to allow for setting the barrel back. I don't have excel on this laptop, will have to wait till I get home from work tonight and play with the numbers...

My Rock Creek barrel has the longer straight shank.

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#6184334 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: AJ300MAG]
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Good point. Let me know your thoughts.

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#6185042 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
rost495 Offline
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AJ, thoughts on differences between Rock and Krieger? I"m thinking same quality basically has been my experiences
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#6186886 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: rost495]
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I did some playing around with the spreadsheet trying all sorts of variations on the shank and so on. It really did not amount to much difference.

However, I am not going to change the specs and I will leave it a .860 muzzle diaemeter and 32 inches long. This will make sure I make weight with a bit to spare and it will give me some peace of mind. Plus I can always attach a cappucino machine or a windmeter and still make weight.

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#6187221 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
Trevor60 Offline
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I have a heavy palma finished at 32 rock barrel, borden action. I was very aware of weight for other components barrel weight came in 6.5 lbs before chambering and crowning.
Your Panda is within 2oz of mine action. I had to forgo the barnard.
we both run jewell triggers
If I remember correctly you are running a sinclair bipod. That is a heavy sob for a heavy palma. i doubt you would have make weight. You having changed to a medium/heavy this could be interesting.
My nightforce BR model is ounces lighter then the NXS.
With the Panda action you might look at getting kelby rings they are lighter then the Nightforce i ended up having to change my steel to nightforce ultralights and drilling out the 3 way butt assembly. i use an LRaccuracy bipod that weights 24oz. I tipped the scale at 18lbs ounces to spare with my setup.but not if it is raining LOL
the rail.
My Br nightforce has 40min does the nxs have 50? i have found shooting the heavies like you 180 - 190 i need more rail to get down to 300. 20 moa isn't enough

I added a bubble level vortex.. if you plan to use one and don't have one picked out find a different model this is heavy (read tactical) for what it is doing

it will come down to stock choice i have a robertson composite weighing in a 5lbs.

Can we ask what stock. and the weight of the NXS.
Trevor


Edited by Trevor60 (02/17/12)

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#6187493 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: Trevor60]
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Trevor, good of you to reply.
My stock is a PR&T which I just received earlier this week. It weighs in at 4 pounds, 10 ounces but it is unfinished. I suspect the weight will go up to about 5 pounds with the finish and the bedding.

The NXS is 34 ounces and the Panda is 30.5 ounces. Nightforce lists the BR 12-42 at 36 ounces, so heavier. The NXS has 45MOA of elevation. I am considering the Kelbly rings.

I am considering getting the Sinclair 3gen bipod which is under 2 pounds. You are correct that I have the 2gen model and it is heavier, closer to 3 pounds.

I'm not sure I follow your issue getting to 300 with 20MOA. Just for the record, I do not plan to use this rifle for anything below 600 yards and it will mostly be 1000 yards.


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#6187542 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
Trevor60 Offline
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3 way butt plate adds and extra pound plus if you go that route. doesn't seem right the BR being heavier then NXS i will double check but if that is the case good choice. optic planet lists both at 36 i can't access nightforce directly from my location will confirm tonight.
borden action weight 32oz. you picked a solid action. question the panda rail is it picatinny. might decide your rings for you

sorry up here F class starts at 300 to 1000 at 300 i am bottoming out the scope.

As this is your money and not mine LOL have you thought about ditching the sinclair and going with the Censhot or star shooter bipod. Censhot is 19oz Star shot is closer to 26 i believe. going from memory too much. i will confirm that as well.

lastly did you include the other hardware trigger guard screws adjustable cheek riser?

Trevor

P.S.
u remember the UK shooter who failed to make weight with the sinclair in Wisconsin he was scrambling and John Weil happened to have an extra bipod. saved this guys entire trip across the pond.


Edited by Trevor60 (02/17/12)

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#6187593 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: Trevor60]
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Trevor, the PR&T has the 3 way buttplate and the adjustable cheekpice built-in. The Panda has the rib, not picatinny rail.

I understand what you are saying now about 300 yards and bottoming out the scope adjustments. I have another rifle for when I play at 300 yards. It was good enough to take me to High Master; it's a heavily customized AR-15.

I have looked at the Censhot and other bipods. The rifle will not be ready for at least another 4-6 months so I have some time to look around at other bipods.

Yeah, I do remember that UK shooter with the heavy rifle, I can't remember his name though. If I had been in his position, I would have taken a saw to the stock and cut out a piece. :-)

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#6187989 - 02/17/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
AJ300MAG Offline
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I played with the barrel weight calculator last night, couldn't come up with much over 6.5lbs either. Someone stated their barrel was 7.5lbs? That's a lot of extra weight!

Jeff I haven't shot any Krieger barrels in .308 just .243 benchrest barrels. I've gotten a couple of good barrels from RC, waiting delivery on one right now for my new F-Class rifle. I hope they hurry, we start our winter league in a few weeks. I would like to have the new rifle broke in by then.

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#6191479 - 02/18/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: AJ300MAG]
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AJ, yes it's a lot of weight unless the calculater is all wrong.

Today I mounted the NXS on my current FTR rifle and it is a LOT brighter than the Weaver. I will need to get used to the NP2DD reticle, but I like it a lot.

I used a FAT wrench to tighten the ring screws down, 25 inch pound. Neat tool, works like a champ. Can't wait for the next match.

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#6195800 - 02/20/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
memilanuk Offline
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Registered: 08/27/02
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Loc: Wenatchee WA
Denys,

FWIW... I have a 30" Brux heavy Palma barrel that I put on the Wife's rifle. It has their interrupted or 'spitfire' fluting - looks pretty but doesn't remove a *lot* of weight compared to some others I've seen, and it is on a Savage small-shank action - so the shank in front of the receiver is 1.062" instead of 1.200". Actually, it was originally for a large-shank receiver, and I had it turned down to fit a small-shank action.

According to my little MyWeigh 35 scale it weighs a grand total of 5 lbs 3.5 oz - and that was when it was in the large-shank configuration. Haven't weighed it since the modification.

I know different barrel makers have different variations on 'standard' contours - some only have a 2.5 or 3" full diameter 'shank', whereas others may have a 5" long shank, and as mentioned the barrel I have effectively doesn't have one at all. I don't see that making the difference between 5-1/2 lbs and almost 7 lbs, though. I'd be interested in what the actual dimensions of the barrel were on that barrel your friend took off...

Monte

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#6195856 - 02/20/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: memilanuk]
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Yeah, you and me both. Next time I see him I will ask him.

Thank, Monte.

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#6196387 - 02/20/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
dave7mm Offline
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On the Panda.
Oh 20 some years ago I had a heavy bag rifle built by Clarence Hammonds.
It had the panda action with the blasted finish.
He had taken fine scotch bright and worked the outside of the panda to a satin finish.
I love it.
I did it to all my pandas after that.Even the scope rings.
No more finger prints...just sayen


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#6262508 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: dave7mm]
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This past weekend was my first match with the new NXS scope.

The wind was tricky, coming in from an unusual direction for Bayou, west by northwest. My boresighting job was good enough to get on the target at 1000 yards right away and then I spent a few more sighters to get dialed in more accurately. I started out at 42X, but backed it out to 35X so that I could monitor the targets on either side of mine. At first I had a bit of problem getting my head set properly, but by match 3, it was very natural.

I did encounter an issue during match #2, were my left eye went batty, the eyelids were fluttering uncontrollably and I was getting very frustrated. I lost 5 points in two shots, trying to continue shooting. I paused for a few minutes and then resumed shooting without further eyelid crazyness. It was strange.

On match #3, the mirage was moving but I got a good bead on it. I finally set the elevation down properly midway through the string and from that point on all I needed to do was dope the wind. I finished quite strong even though I shot a lone 7 when the rifle was not at my shoulder; it fired back into my shoulder and I got a 7 straight at 9 o'clock. My fault.

I like the scope, it is extremely clear and I like the ease of focus even though you should always adjust it going back to zero and working up to your focus point. I like the NP-2DD reticle, and I am learning it.

Money well spent, I think.

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#6262653 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
CGPAUL Offline
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I`m too lazy to look it up, but what, if any, weight restrictions are placed on F class?

See "Tube Gun" below.

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#6262681 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: CGPAUL]
FTR_Shooter Offline
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18.18 pounds on F-T/R, including bipod. I think F-open is 22 pounds, excluding front rest.

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#6263085 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
rost495 Offline
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Denys

You have been in this long enough now that you know NOT to shoot through funny eyes.... it'll bite you almost everytime. You knew that and still shot and it reaffirmed what you knew.
Same with teh gun out of the shoulder.

I'm as guilty as you are or at least was when still shooting, its a mental game at that point, but you already know the outcome is 99% not going to be good so why chance it, better to wait it out and make it right before shooting, even if you end up missing the wind by burning time...

And you know I say this in sincerity, you have so much potential there and I think you are getting closer to that potential with each match.

And now you finally admit a more accurate rifle and better scope and loads might actually benefit you too!

Bravo IMHO.

Jeff
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#6263117 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: rost495]
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Well, I didn't freak out too much, after all this match was more of a trial of the new scope and adjustment of such. I just thought it was weird to have the eyelid go out of control but since I'm right eyed, I could not figure out why my left eyelids went nuts. Must be age.

Yeah, I kinda figured out the Weaver had brought me about as far as it could with my aging eyes.

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#6263154 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
rost495 Offline
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You are going to be just really great shooter if you keep after it!!!

I have floaters really bad... Even if I know I"m in PERFECT conditions to be slinging repeated Xs downrange with my service rifle, I HAVE to wait them out.... you know if you listen to that little voice you do better generally...
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#6263292 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: FTR_Shooter]
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Thanks, the tube gun at 16 will do.
Ryan wants to try the 6mm D-Tac bullets.

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#6263425 - 03/07/12 Re: Building a new FTR rifle [Re: CGPAUL]
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CGPAUL, I don't know what you mean by tube gun and see below, but if it's a 16+lbs now, don't forget the bipod. That can be 2 lbs or more.

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