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#6202408 - 02/21/12 10:45 AM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: Sitka deer]
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Wouldn't stop me from making a hole.
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#6204349 - 02/21/12 06:15 PM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: ironbender]
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The suplement says fall is tentive and spring is for sure? I thought the bears had taken over? Cant imagine it can be that hard of a hunt?

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#6205155 - 02/21/12 09:56 PM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: Bambistew]
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Fall is tentative because it depends on the level of mortality - DLP, HBC...hit-by-car, mistaken ID, hunting kills, etc. and how close to the mortality allowed by the faulty model that's in place.

The calendar starts fresh in Jan.
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#6205186 - 02/21/12 10:16 PM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: ironbender]
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But, but, but... they run on a special calendar that starts July 1 for EVERYTHING else!
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#6205228 - 02/21/12 10:53 PM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: kk alaska]
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Originally Posted By: kk alaska
Out over $200 again for nothing? Congrats Art! They cancelled the Cow moose hunts and kept the money don,t seem right if my information is right.


F&G is going to refund the money for cancelled Cow moose hunts in SC AK.
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#6205241 - 02/21/12 11:07 PM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: kk alaska]
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Never could understand cow hunts when the population is too low to start...
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#6205265 - 02/21/12 11:53 PM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: ironbender]
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Originally Posted By: ironbender
Fall is tentative because it depends on the level of mortality - DLP, HBC...hit-by-car, mistaken ID, hunting kills, etc. and how close to the mortality allowed by the faulty model that's in place.

The calendar starts fresh in Jan.


Is there any documentation on the registration hunt? The only thing I've seen is the BOG approved the proposal.

I figured the fall hunt was tentative, I believe it has been since this hunt started. I presume the registration hunt will only be held if the harvest quota is higher than the permit number? The F&G also increased the permit numbers by 22, from 15-37. I'm thinking the registration hunt might not happen this year?

I'm not sure I understand the faulty model reference? Why doesn't the harvest rate reflect a large bear population? From the way some talk I should be able to swing a dead cat and hit a bear. smile I like those odds. I've seen a fair number of brownies down there, but not that many. Talked to one guy that spent a lot of time hunting it and never saw one.

I'm going to have fun trying to kill one that's for sure.

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#6206759 - 02/22/12 10:12 AM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: Bambistew]
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The number of permits for 7 & 15 is 61. That's for DB; 301 (8), 303 (3), 305 (10), 307 (3), 309 (37).

The faulty model reference is to the model from the mat-su being used on the KP in spite of different population dynamics, different human interaction, different topography, different food sources, etc. Other than that, it's a perfect fit.

Getting F&G to loosen up permits and help moose in other ways (wolf reduction) is like pulling teeth, but nearly as tough as getting the refuge to do habitat improvements.

The BOG approved wolf reduction (aerial ungulate enhancement) in 15A and 15C to begin Mar. 1. 15A is to be conducted by the Dept. and 15C is to be conducted by permitted public. From what I have heard, the Dept has not yet moved toward 15A operations nor 15C permitting.

As an aside, I would request folks write to the Governor to require F&G to get this AUE started this winter.

To put that in perspective, the BOG instructed the department to formulate a plan for intensive management of moose and bring that to the BOG. It was sent back 3TIMES before the fourth was acceptable to the board.

The refuge has done a barbwire hair-DNA brown bear population study that the results of which so far has been closely held. A lot of people have been trying for a long time to get F&G to do a true brown bear population study on the KP. F&G does not believe it is necessary in spite of saying that knowing the true population would greatly alter their brown bear management. Even if this study had Dept. support, it estimated to cost about $2M.

Brown bears "can" be hard to find on the western KP for much the same reason that black bear baiting (spring) is important - dense foliage growth. In spite of the aggressive, full-blown charge belief, brownies would just as soon avoid humans.
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#6206787 - 02/22/12 10:16 AM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: Sitka deer]
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Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
Never could understand cow hunts when the population is too low to start...


Especially this year with all the road and train kills.
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#6206842 - 02/22/12 10:28 AM Re: Anybody able to access F&G? [Re: AkMtnHntr]
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Edited by ironbender (02/22/12 10:29 AM)
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