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#6195206 - 02/19/12 03:18 PM Help diagnose this group
Pharmseller Offline
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Loc: Wilamette Valley, Oregon
I shot this group today.
7mm-08
120 gr NBT
50.0 gr Ramshot Big Game
CCI 200 primers
Remington brass
Loaded 0.015" off the lands.
100 yards



The fifth shot was from a bit of a warm barrel, but as you can see I'm stumped as to why I'm getting shots touching close to 2 inches apart.

A previous 3 shot group has the same pattern, with two shots touching and a third 0.53" out.

What should I try to tighten the group?


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#6195226 - 02/19/12 03:23 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: Pharmseller]
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Loc: Northern Nevada
Scope good?
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#6195400 - 02/19/12 04:07 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: mcmurphrjk]
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I would shoot a few more groups with different charges and powders to see if you get a better result. I had a similar experience with one of my rifles and I could not find a powder or a charge that would work. In the end, I switched bullets to a different brand and the problem went away. It could be that your barrel doesn't like that particular bullet.

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#6195412 - 02/19/12 04:10 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: SodFarmer]
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What kind of rifle?bedded? scope? good rest? details...
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#6195504 - 02/19/12 04:26 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: rifle]
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how good was your rest? if you don't have a consistent rest you'll string them like that. use a bag under the buttstock also.
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#6195547 - 02/19/12 04:37 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: mjbgalt]
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Barrel freedloated? Keep the info coming.

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#6195642 - 02/19/12 05:01 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: dye7barrel]
Pharmseller Offline
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Loc: Wilamette Valley, Oregon
Good rest. Sandbags fore and aft.
Scope - Minox ZA3, Talley lightweight mounts. All screws tight.
Rifle: Weatherby Ultra Lightweight.
Not bedded.
Ultra Lightweights are supposed to like a little upward pressure on the barrel.
Not freefloated.
Fired at 6X.

What bothers me is the consistency of the inconsistency. If the scope or mounts were bad I would expect more variance.

Here's the 3 shot group I fired before the 5 shot group. This group measures 0.93" center to center. After I fired this group I let the barrel cool then adjusted the scope 10 clicks up and 3 clicks left.



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#6195791 - 02/19/12 05:37 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: Pharmseller]
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Registered: 02/28/11
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Loc: High Country Colorado
Something you'll hear over and over again about "2 in, 1 out" type groups is to try seating in a little deeper. Lots of guys have seen groups shrink and become nice tight little triangles or clusters with that method.

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#6195807 - 02/19/12 05:40 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: Pharmseller]
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Base screws that are tight don't mean the bases are tight, Bases should be installed 1 screw at a time to make sure the bases are being held tight by both screws!

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#6196098 - 02/19/12 06:43 PM Re: Help diagnose this group [Re: Ackleyfan]
Pharmseller Offline
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Registered: 01/18/10
Posts: 932
Loc: Wilamette Valley, Oregon
Originally Posted By: Ackleyfan
Base screws that are tight don't mean the bases are tight, Bases should be installed 1 screw at a time to make sure the bases are being held tight by both screws!


I'm trying to visualize what you mean and it just isn't happening.

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